Hakons wrote:>People thinking Hell is a laughing matter
>people thinking hell exists
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by Thermodolia » Fri Apr 06, 2018 8:31 am
Hakons wrote:>People thinking Hell is a laughing matter
by Thermodolia » Fri Apr 06, 2018 8:32 am
The Glorious Third Reign of Templedom wrote:Big Jim P
"12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots; 13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever."
(Jude 1:12-13, KJV)
by G-Tech Corporation » Fri Apr 06, 2018 8:35 am
by Novskya » Fri Apr 06, 2018 8:38 am
G-Tech Corporation wrote:Thermodolia wrote:>people thinking hell exists
Ah, but it’s the logical axiom of self-preservation that dictates one should behave as if it does.
If there is no Hell, and religion is a sad joke, well, you’ve at least tried to live morally. And, perhaps I’m biased on this one, but I would categorically say a life lived well is more satisfying than one spent in pursuit of selfish desires.
If there is a Hell, and Christianity got it right, I’m a big fan of not ending up down there.
So you don’t lose anything through faith if you’re wrong, but lose a lot through disbelief if you’re wrong, neh?
by Thermodolia » Fri Apr 06, 2018 8:41 am
G-Tech Corporation wrote:Thermodolia wrote:>people thinking hell exists
Ah, but it’s the logical axiom of self-preservation that dictates one should behave as if it does.
If there is no Hell, and religion is a sad joke, well, you’ve at least tried to live morally. And, perhaps I’m biased on this one, but I would categorically say a life lived well is more satisfying than one spent in pursuit of selfish desires.
If there is a Hell, and Christianity got it right, I’m a big fan of not ending up down there.
So you don’t lose anything through faith if you’re wrong, but lose a lot through disbelief if you’re wrong, neh?
by G-Tech Corporation » Fri Apr 06, 2018 8:44 am
Novskya wrote:G-Tech Corporation wrote:
Ah, but it’s the logical axiom of self-preservation that dictates one should behave as if it does.
If there is no Hell, and religion is a sad joke, well, you’ve at least tried to live morally. And, perhaps I’m biased on this one, but I would categorically say a life lived well is more satisfying than one spent in pursuit of selfish desires.
If there is a Hell, and Christianity got it right, I’m a big fan of not ending up down there.
So you don’t lose anything through faith if you’re wrong, but lose a lot through disbelief if you’re wrong, neh?
sounds like a more pessimistic version of pascal's wager
Thermodolia wrote:G-Tech Corporation wrote:
Ah, but it’s the logical axiom of self-preservation that dictates one should behave as if it does.
If there is no Hell, and religion is a sad joke, well, you’ve at least tried to live morally. And, perhaps I’m biased on this one, but I would categorically say a life lived well is more satisfying than one spent in pursuit of selfish desires.
If there is a Hell, and Christianity got it right, I’m a big fan of not ending up down there.
So you don’t lose anything through faith if you’re wrong, but lose a lot through disbelief if you’re wrong, neh?
Not having a hell doesn’t mean that religion is just a sad joke. Many religions, including my own, do not believe in the existence of hell, well not to the levels that Christianity goes to.
by Soviet-mongol » Fri Apr 06, 2018 8:45 am
Auristania wrote:Pope Francis is an absolute monarch, and one with far fewer restraints on his formal power than in Saudi, but has difficulty getting the reforms he wants due to a set of constraints on his actions.
Francis tried abolishing Hell and the ceiling collapsed on his head.
by Thermodolia » Fri Apr 06, 2018 9:03 am
G-Tech Corporation wrote:Thermodolia wrote:Not having a hell doesn’t mean that religion is just a sad joke. Many religions, including my own, do not believe in the existence of hell, well not to the levels that Christianity goes to.
Sure, sure. Of course, many religions do believe in some form of less-than-optimal afterlife and other better afterlifes, or tiers of reincarnation, and so on- so insert the appropriate phrase as you wish.
by G-Tech Corporation » Fri Apr 06, 2018 9:07 am
Thermodolia wrote:G-Tech Corporation wrote:
Sure, sure. Of course, many religions do believe in some form of less-than-optimal afterlife and other better afterlifes, or tiers of reincarnation, and so on- so insert the appropriate phrase as you wish.
Well “hell”, we don’t even call it that, has been explained to me as something similar to purgatory. So it’s not exactly permanent. The idea of a permanent Hell is kinda silly
by Bienenhalde » Fri Apr 06, 2018 9:07 am
Anarcho capitalist utopia wrote:I have changed my view on christianity. From now on im only tolerating Christian Identity, and I won't accept anything else
Everyone who doesn't practice christian identity is a cuck, catholics, protestants, east orthodox, Luthern, ect. have all been cucked by jews
by Lower Nubia » Fri Apr 06, 2018 9:30 am
Tarsonis wrote:I spent a good portion of the afternoon studying objections to evolution, and I wish I hadn’t. I swear, YECs have the scientific literacy of a 9 year old. And that’s coming from me, who got a b- in college biology.
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by Tarsonis » Fri Apr 06, 2018 10:17 am
by G-Tech Corporation » Fri Apr 06, 2018 10:19 am
Tarsonis wrote:Lower Nubia wrote:
What were the objections?
From what I was studying, it was the problems Darwinian evolution poses for theists, which there are some but mainly just wrestling with concepts rather than breaking the game.
Then instarted reading theistic opostitiond to Evolution and it’s the most ridiculous pseudobable and sophistry I’ve read in a while. Check templedon’s sig for the link
by The Blaatschapen » Fri Apr 06, 2018 11:04 am
by Lower Nubia » Fri Apr 06, 2018 12:35 pm
G-Tech Corporation wrote:Tarsonis wrote:
From what I was studying, it was the problems Darwinian evolution poses for theists, which there are some but mainly just wrestling with concepts rather than breaking the game.
Then instarted reading theistic opostitiond to Evolution and it’s the most ridiculous pseudobable and sophistry I’ve read in a while. Check templedon’s sig for the link
Personally, I'm a great lover of the multiversal defense for evolution.
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by Koalatopolis » Fri Apr 06, 2018 12:45 pm
Lower Nubia wrote:G-Tech Corporation wrote:
Personally, I'm a great lover of the multiversal defense for evolution.
As in the multiverse? An idea built on the assumption of ex nihilio materialist creation of the universe, but without any scientific veracity to the its truth or not? It would make a pretty poor defence.
by Salus Maior » Fri Apr 06, 2018 12:47 pm
Soviet-mongol wrote:Auristania wrote:Francis tried abolishing Hell and the ceiling collapsed on his head.
Not that I particulary like the current Pope. I think he is the worst in the last hundert year... but did he really abolished the hell? This is a claim from the atheist journalist. The Vatican press claims the Pope never said this. So, to whom to believe?
by Salus Maior » Fri Apr 06, 2018 12:47 pm
Soviet-mongol wrote:Auristania wrote:Francis tried abolishing Hell and the ceiling collapsed on his head.
Not that I particulary like the current Pope. I think he is the worst in the last hundert year... but did he really abolished the hell? This is a claim from the atheist journalist. The Vatican press claims the Pope never said this. So, to whom to believe?
by Salus Maior » Fri Apr 06, 2018 12:48 pm
by Salus Maior » Fri Apr 06, 2018 12:50 pm
The Glorious Third Reign of Templedom wrote:Unless the nation which was scattered in 70 A.D. was raised up once more, events towards the latter half of Revelation make no sense. If prophecy were unfolding before your eyes, why won't you pay it more attention? The refounding of Israel in 1948 excited the entire Evangelical Protestant branch, 800 mil according to latest estimates. Even if we are 'schismatics' to the RC church, don't the magisterium generally support your Pontiff's exhortation to "know the smell of the sheep"?
by Koalatopolis » Fri Apr 06, 2018 12:57 pm
by Tarsonis » Fri Apr 06, 2018 1:08 pm
The Glorious Third Reign of Templedom wrote:Tarsonis wrote:Again, Israel really isn’t important. The belief in a restoration of an Israeli nation state as a necessary precursor for the end times is a not an orthodox Christian belief. It’s a Protestant one that has roots in the reformation but didn’t really arise until the 19th century. It’s up there with the rapture as “Evangelical nonsense”
Unless the nation which was scattered in 70 A.D. was raised up once more, events towards the latter half of Revelation make no sense. If prophecy were unfolding before your eyes, why won't you pay it more attention? The refounding of Israel in 1948 excited the entire Evangelical Protestant branch, 800 mil according to latest estimates. Even if we are 'schismatics' to the RC church, don't the magisterium generally support your Pontiff's exhortation to "know the smell of the sheep"?
One should not be so quick to dismiss the viewpoint of so many others who have (or have not) been baptized with the Holy Spirit as merely "nonsense".
Tarsonis wrote:a Roman Catholic writing an Australian evangelical fundamentalist correcting him in his knowledge? Oh that’s going to go over well won’t it. However if you’d like I’ll refute it point for point on the forum.
No need to post your refutation here, I know the smell of the sheep!
Write to the webmaster if you think he has been spreading grave errors, remember in Catholic doctrine "omission of right action is a sin" (something to that effect). In true Protestant fashion, whether you do it or not I see that as something between you and God.
Tarsonis wrote:When I look at your heavens, the work of your fingers,
the moon and the stars that you have established;
4 what are human beings that you are mindful of them,
mortals that you care for them?
5 Yet you have made them a little lower than God,
and crowned them with glory and honor.
Psalm 8: 3-5 NRSVCE
It’s a big book. Maybe you need another read through.
"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;"
(Romans 3:23, KJV)
by Tarsonis » Fri Apr 06, 2018 1:17 pm
Koalatopolis wrote:My theory is that we are in Hell at the moment. Allow me to explain.
First we must start with Hebrews 11:1
"Faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.”
Then, Romans 14:23
"Whatever is not from faith is sin."
Therefore, we must logically conclude that doubt (or said lack of faith) is sin.
Assuming that Hell is a place of sin, suffering, and confusion as the Bible says, we can simply look around us. Our human nature drives us to question everything around us, including our own mortality, leading to confusion. The physical laws that bind us conflict with our nature, leading to strife, and sin increases exponentially. And through this, we may be able to form the conclusion that the physical world is Hell as opposed to the metaphysical realm which we call heaven.
by Lower Nubia » Fri Apr 06, 2018 1:19 pm
Koalatopolis wrote:Lower Nubia wrote:
As in the multiverse? An idea built on the assumption of ex nihilio materialist creation of the universe, but without any scientific veracity to the its truth or not? It would make a pretty poor defence.
I, a Catholic, am in full support of the theory of Evolution as well as the Big Bang and multiple other theories that Christians have denied. Here's why:
The theory of evolution is plausible as the Bible's specification of seven days during the creation doesn't actually specify seven days. The original Hebrew word, "yom", meant any amount of time from one day to an epoch. Therefore, creatures could have evolved over epochs and it is the most scientifically plausible as it has been shown that creatures adapt.
Koalatopolis wrote:I am not, however, in support of the Darwin's Origin of Species, as it suggests that an ape without a soul would evolve as the generations go by into a human with a soul. Many Christians get Origin of Species confused with the theory of evolution, and they deny both in their ignorance.
Koalatopolis wrote:Also: the Bible is known to make metaphors that show basic physical things in order to allow us to comprehend meta-physical or metaphysical concepts. Now, you don't expect God to go up to a scribe back in the day and say "Now, write down that I spawned an extraordinarily dense super-heated packet of material and caused it to explode out into space and let it settle overtime in order to create planets.", do you? I think that the Big Bang theory is perfectly plausible as well, and I hate it when Christians flat out deny it as impossible. We need to stay open minded and find things out for ourselves. Don't let a Sunday School teacher indoctrinate you with what she wants you to know. Seek the truth on your own.
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by Socialist Czechia » Fri Apr 06, 2018 1:58 pm
"Those who reached my boundary, their seed is not; their hearts and their souls are finished forever and ever. As for those who had assembled before them on the sea, the full flame was their front before the harbour mouths, and a wall of metal upon the shore surrounded them. They were dragged, overturned, and laid low upon the beach; slain and made heaps from stern to bow of their galleys, while all their things were cast upon the water." - Ramesses III., Battle of the Delta
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