The Christian Discussion thread IX: Pelagius Rising.

[Diopolis]

I use Douai-Rheims, Challoner revision, almost exclusively. But I guess you weren't speaking on my behalf.

Apologies. By "same as everybody else here," I meant my country, where if you're not using the Filipino translations, NABRE is the go-to translation for Catholics.

The "default translation" used in lectionaries is typically a fairly liberal translation. NAB is infamous for prioritizing political correctness over accuracy, and for changing every year to be more politically correct.
In the US, liberals use NAB, conservatives use NSRV, and traditionalists use DRC. The latter two are highly accurate translations with stylistic differences. The first is... not.

[Diopolis]

I realize. I'm speaking more of a theoretical form of government.

It's not feasible. Orthodox reactionaries favor absolute monarchies, not theocracies. And Catholic reactionaries (if they still exist) favor absolute political power of the Pope, with monarchs answering to him.

You called?

[Pasong Tirad]

Apologies. By "same as everybody else here," I meant my country, where if you're not using the Filipino translations, NABRE is the go-to translation for Catholics.

The "default translation" used in lectionaries is typically a fairly liberal translation. NAB is infamous for prioritizing political correctness over accuracy, and for changing every year to be more politically correct.
In the US, liberals use NAB, conservatives use NSRV, and traditionalists use DRC. The latter two are highly accurate translations with stylistic differences. The first is... not.

Well I don't know how you guys do it over there but when English liturgies are held, almost every church I've gone to has used the NABRE. There isn't any distinction between liberal and conservative liturgies here.

Unless you're trying to tell me to go to traditionalist liturgies instead - which I'm all for trying, it's just not that easy to find any here.

[Nordengrund]

I'm somewhere in the middle between secularism and promoting Christian values in government. In some ways, I think secularism is compatible with Christian values as I believe everyone should practice whatever they want as long as they are not infringing on the rights of others. While I am okay with a government promoting Christian values in areas like social justice, abortion, etc, I don't think any particular denomination should have special treatment.

I'm a low-churcher, so maybe I tend to be a little more skeptical of state churches and monarchism due to that.

There were plenty of Protestant monarchs. In fact, I think most of the ones that still exist are mostly Protestants. (Nordic countries, Britain, Netherlands,etc.)

In fact, the only Catholic monarchy I can think of that still exists is Spain. And there's no Orthodox monarchies anymore.

Edit: Nevermind, Belgium is also a Catholic monarchy.

There's also Spain, Monaco, Luxembourg, Andorra, and Liechtenstein, though all of them except Spain are principalities or duchies. My point isn't that monarchism is incompatible with Protestantism, just that they seem to be inseparable with state churches and high churches.

[United Muscovite Nations]

I'm somewhere in the middle between secularism and promoting Christian values in government. In some ways, I think secularism is compatible with Christian values as I believe everyone should practice whatever they want as long as they are not infringing on the rights of others. While I am okay with a government promoting Christian values in areas like social justice, abortion, etc, I don't think any particular denomination should have special treatment.

I'm a low-churcher, so maybe I tend to be a little more skeptical of state churches and monarchism due to that.

There were plenty of Protestant monarchs. In fact, I think most of the ones that still exist are mostly Protestants. (Nordic countries, Britain, Netherlands,etc.)

In fact, the only Catholic monarchy I can think of that still exists is Spain. And there's no Orthodox monarchies anymore.

Don't remind me.

[Diopolis]

The "default translation" used in lectionaries is typically a fairly liberal translation. NAB is infamous for prioritizing political correctness over accuracy, and for changing every year to be more politically correct.
In the US, liberals use NAB, conservatives use NSRV, and traditionalists use DRC. The latter two are highly accurate translations with stylistic differences. The first is... not.

Well I don't know how you guys do it over there but when English liturgies are held, almost every church I've gone to has used the NABRE. There isn't any distinction between liberal and conservative liturgies here.

Unless you're trying to tell me to go to traditionalist liturgies instead - which I'm all for trying, it's just not that easy to find any here.

The missal uses NAB, because apparently having to order a new missal every 3.2 seconds because they changed the translation of the readings again is necessary and desirable. For individual use, liberals and nominals use NAB, conservatives by and large use NSRV, and traditionalists use DRC. Of course, traditional liturgies typically have the readings in Latin, and then repeated from DRC during or just before the homily. Even conservative novus ordo liturgies here typically use NAB, because that's what's in the book

[United Muscovite Nations]

Not Catholic of course, but I use the Orthodox Study Bible; it's a slightly modified version of the NKJV that also includes lots of footnotes and translators' notes made by the bishops who edited it.

[Diopolis]

Not Catholic of course, but I use the Orthodox Study Bible; it's a slightly modified version of the NKJV that also includes lots of footnotes and translators' notes made by the bishops who edited it.

Didn't the Orthodox use Douay-Rheims for a while?

[Tarsonis Survivors]

I like the NRSVCE. Then again I also read the original Greek so *shrug*

[United Muscovite Nations]

Not Catholic of course, but I use the Orthodox Study Bible; it's a slightly modified version of the NKJV that also includes lots of footnotes and translators' notes made by the bishops who edited it.

Didn't the Orthodox use Douay-Rheims for a while?

I don't really know, honestly. It wouldn't surprise me.

[Salus Maior]

There were plenty of Protestant monarchs. In fact, I think most of the ones that still exist are mostly Protestants. (Nordic countries, Britain, Netherlands,etc.)

In fact, the only Catholic monarchy I can think of that still exists is Spain. And there's no Orthodox monarchies anymore.

Don't remind me.

You can always hope that Georgia or Serbia actually acts on the large movements to restore their monarchies.

[Pasong Tirad]

Don't remind me.

You can always hope that Georgia or Serbia actually acts on the large movements to restore their monarchies.

And the former Romanian monarch is still very popular.

But I honestly don't understand why the Orthodox love their monarchies.

[Salus Maior]

You can always hope that Georgia or Serbia actually acts on the large movements to restore their monarchies.

And the former Romanian monarch is still very popular.

Really? I've heard he wasn't very good.

From a Romanian, even

[Pasong Tirad]

And the former Romanian monarch is still very popular.

Really? I've heard he wasn't very good.

From a Romanian, even

Saw some old articles. The guy's popular, the thought of a monarchy is so-so.

[Minzerland II]

Exactly, not everyone is willing to inconvenience themselves, their families, their friends, their countries their countrymen, etc.; they choose to prioritise them, as do I, not some foreigner in need of help somewhere far away, who may not even help them if they were ever in need. Not everyone is Christian in America or Australia, either. This all ignoring the fact that I cannot see any feasible way in which to help everyone, as you suggest we do. I think your proposition is rather shortsighted and unrealistic, instead of alleviating the problem you'll exacerbate it so much so that it becomes untenable, as has been said previously by another poster, leading to even more suffering.

It's not about you. It's not about whether or not they will return the kindness. That doesn't matter. They need help now. You, have the capacity to help but choose not to. Firefighters don't ask people in a burning building if they're Muslim, if they voted Liberal or if their house is insured. They just go in.

I never said it was solely about me or their own self-interest, I said it was about 'themselves, their families, their friends, their countries, their countrymen, etc.'

[Cote Acreole]

Liturgical translations to be put back in the hands of people who think 'spiritu' is Latin for 'also'.

I think it has something to do with 'member berries.

[Nordengrund]

I use the NASB and the NIV translations.

[Salus Maior]

It's not feasible. Orthodox reactionaries favor absolute monarchies, not theocracies. And Catholic reactionaries (if they still exist) favor absolute political power of the Pope, with monarchs answering to him.

You called?

Are you a monarchist, Dio?

[Diopolis]

You called?

Are you a monarchist, Dio?

Why yes, good sir. *exhales pipesmoke* Long live the king!

[Salus Maior]

Are you a monarchist, Dio?

Why yes, good sir. *exhales pipesmoke* Long live the king!

Jolly good

[The Blaatschapen]

Are you a monarchist, Dio?

Why yes, good sir. *exhales pipesmoke* Long live the king!

Which one, the Spanish or the Belgian? All other kings are not Catholic iirc.

[United Muscovite Nations]

You can always hope that Georgia or Serbia actually acts on the large movements to restore their monarchies.

And the former Romanian monarch is still very popular.

But I honestly don't understand why the Orthodox love their monarchies.

Here's a good article on it, by an American layperson, published on the site of a Russian seminary.

[United Muscovite Nations]

And the former Romanian monarch is still very popular.

Really? I've heard he wasn't very good.

From a Romanian, even

King Micheal is seen as a symbol of the nation by many. Const doesn't like King Micheal because said King tried to block a Communist majority in parliament.

[Salus Maior]

I'd rather not impose my beliefs on people who aren't even Christian to begin with, though.

I don't either. And nobody can do that really. You can't force people to believe in anything.

My idea is for Christian morality to be established as the moral backbone of the nation, not to enforce Christianity as the sole religion/belief.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Why yes, good sir. *exhales pipesmoke* Long live the king!

Jolly good

I personally see the value of monarchy, however I find the risks don't outweigh the reward so to speak. An absolute monarchy requires the existence of absolute virtue, to protect the rights of the common man. Because such a person does not, and arguably cannot, exist apart from divine grace, absolute power should never be vested in a single individual.