Trump MAGAthread IX: Korea, The Dreamers and Trump

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Friendly reminder that Republicans hate the republic and the people choosing the "wrong" representatives.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/201 ... tion-2016/

Got any more sources, preferably with less left-wing bias?

I'm getting increasingly puzzled by requests of this sort, like this. Is this "Where's the evidence I don't see any evidence", or is it equating all sorts of news items as agitation propaganda like those featured on Breitbart?

[Post War America]

Got any more sources, preferably with less left-wing bias?

I'm getting increasingly puzzled by requests of this sort, like this. Is this "Where's the evidence I don't see any evidence", or is it equating all sorts of news items as agitation propaganda like those featured on Breitbart?

I'm fairly certain its the latter, because Trump has deemed news media that is critical of him "fake news" and therefore anything they print is to be discarded as a source.

[Maineiacs]

Got any more sources, preferably with less left-wing bias?

I'm getting increasingly puzzled by requests of this sort, like this. Is this "Where's the evidence I don't see any evidence", or is it equating all sorts of news items as agitation propaganda like those featured on Breitbart?

He's looking for confirmation bias while accusing you of such.

[Ism]

Got any more sources, preferably with less left-wing bias?

I'm getting increasingly puzzled by requests of this sort, like this. Is this "Where's the evidence I don't see any evidence", or is it equating all sorts of news items as agitation propaganda like those featured on Breitbart?

To be fair, Mother Jones is strongly left wing. I don't know that it's as bad as Breitbart, but it's something to consider when using it as a source.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

I'm getting increasingly puzzled by requests of this sort, like this. Is this "Where's the evidence I don't see any evidence", or is it equating all sorts of news items as agitation propaganda like those featured on Breitbart?

To be fair, Mother Jones is strongly left wing. I don't know that it's as bad as Breitbart, but it's something to consider when using it as a source.

Does the inherent leftwing bias of the Communist Manifesto prevent it from being used as a literary source on communism?
The fact remains that there is a deep, deep divide between what GOP leadership believes and what the common American voter believes and at certain times this fact is highly inconvenient for GOP leaders. The source item didn't not detract from this, asking "Where's the evidence" here is at best a distraction tactic and at worst highly disingenious.

[Proctopeo]

To be fair, Mother Jones is strongly left wing. I don't know that it's as bad as Breitbart, but it's something to consider when using it as a source.

Does the inherent leftwing bias of the Communist Manifesto prevent it from being used as a literary source on communism?
The fact remains that there is a deep, deep divide between what GOP leadership believes and what the common American voter believes and at certain times this fact is highly inconvenient for GOP leaders. The source item didn't not detract from this, asking "Where's the evidence" here is at best a distraction tactic and at worst highly disingenious.

You're comparing a book to a news source.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Does the inherent leftwing bias of the Communist Manifesto prevent it from being used as a literary source on communism?
The fact remains that there is a deep, deep divide between what GOP leadership believes and what the common American voter believes and at certain times this fact is highly inconvenient for GOP leaders. The source item didn't not detract from this, asking "Where's the evidence" here is at best a distraction tactic and at worst highly disingenious.

You're comparing a book to a news source.

So how do you source recent events? By divination?

[Alvecia]

Does the inherent leftwing bias of the Communist Manifesto prevent it from being used as a literary source on communism?
The fact remains that there is a deep, deep divide between what GOP leadership believes and what the common American voter believes and at certain times this fact is highly inconvenient for GOP leaders. The source item didn't not detract from this, asking "Where's the evidence" here is at best a distraction tactic and at worst highly disingenious.

You're comparing a book to a news source.

But they are the original source. If anyone were to report on the same thing, following the sources back would just end you up right back at Mother Jones again.

[Holy Tedalonia]

Friendly reminder that Republicans hate the republic and the people choosing the "wrong" representatives.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/201 ... tion-2016/

When it comes to news today I take everything with a grain of salt

[Myrensis]

The worst part is that it took him four months to send the promised money.

What was that one during the campaign, where the media found he'd promised some donation and he only sent the money at that point? I forget the details but it was a fair piece of change.

Yes, he claimed he'd raised a bunch of money for veterans charities or something, a couple of months later WaPo looked into it and found none of that money had materialized, and the night before they ran the story he literally sent out a bunch of checks in overnight mail and then went on a tirade the next day about the evil biased fake media trying to make him look bad when he totally sent the money!

His supporters of course just mindlessly eat it up, "He sent the money just like he said! Stupid fake news trying to stop him from making America great again!".

[Proctopeo]

You're comparing a book to a news source.

So how do you source recent events? By divination?

By checking multiple sources to minimize bias, of course.

You're comparing a book to a news source.

But they are the original source. If anyone were to report on the same thing, following the sources back would just end you up right back at Mother Jones again.

You want another source on an interview that was originally conducted by their own journalists? Or another source that minorities are marginalised by voter ID laws? Or evidence that voter suppression helped Trump win?

I would be interested to see the last one, sure. I don't think Trump won because of those laws. However, they do marginalise minorities disproportionally.

Generally I just like to have more than one source on a thing.
But yeah, more sources on the last one, and maybe the middle one, would be good.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Friendly reminder that Republicans hate the republic and the people choosing the "wrong" representatives.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/201 ... tion-2016/

When it comes to news today I take everything with a grain of salt

What is this saying? That there are doubts about the American Republican Party being inconvenienced by how the American populace votes?

[Holy Tedalonia]

When it comes to news today I take everything with a grain of salt

What is this saying? That there are doubts about the American Republican Party being inconvenienced by how the American populace votes?

It's probably fake or over-exagerated. This reminds me of Obama plus China voting conspiracy. I really do wish the Democrats would stop creating stories, because they lost. All these stories conveniently come after the election. This is in fact just like the Obama and China conspiracies just reversed and poorly repeated time and time again. A lot of news makes up lies on both sides this is likely a lie.

[Vassenor]

What is this saying? That there are doubts about the American Republican Party being inconvenienced by how the American populace votes?

It's probably fake or over-exagerated. This reminds me of Obama plus China voting conspiracy. I really do wish the Democrats would stop creating stories, because they lost. All these stories conveniently come after the election. This is in fact just like the Obama and China conspiracies just reversed and poorly repeated time and time again. A lot of news makes up lies on both sides this is likely a lie.

So do you have any evidence they're fake then?

[Hittanryan]

What is this saying? That there are doubts about the American Republican Party being inconvenienced by how the American populace votes?

It's probably fake or over-exagerated. This reminds me of Obama plus China voting conspiracy. I really do wish the Democrats would stop creating stories, because they lost. All these stories conveniently come after the election. This is in fact just like the Obama and China conspiracies just reversed and poorly repeated time and time again. A lot of news makes up lies on both sides this is likely a lie.

As opposed to Trump, who has been a paragon of honesty and rigorous fact-checking since he entered public life?

[Myrensis]

What is this saying? That there are doubts about the American Republican Party being inconvenienced by how the American populace votes?

It's probably fake or over-exagerated. This reminds me of Obama plus China voting conspiracy. I really do wish the Democrats would stop creating stories, because they lost. All these stories conveniently come after the election. This is in fact just like the Obama and China conspiracies just reversed and poorly repeated time and time again. A lot of news makes up lies on both sides this is likely a lie.

Uh..no dear, the fight over voter ID and Republican attempts to use it to suppress minority and poor voters has been going on for years.

[Bakery Hill]

Mother Jones isn't left wing enough quite frankly.

[Ifreann]

What is this saying? That there are doubts about the American Republican Party being inconvenienced by how the American populace votes?

It's probably fake or over-exagerated. This reminds me of Obama plus China voting conspiracy. I really do wish the Democrats would stop creating stories, because they lost. All these stories conveniently come after the election. This is in fact just like the Obama and China conspiracies just reversed and poorly repeated time and time again. A lot of news makes up lies on both sides this is likely a lie.

Here's an article from 2012 about a federal court ruling against a Texas voter ID law, finding it to be discriminatory.

But tell us more about how Democrats make up stories about voter suppression after losing an election.

[Bakery Hill]

It's probably fake or over-exagerated. This reminds me of Obama plus China voting conspiracy. I really do wish the Democrats would stop creating stories, because they lost. All these stories conveniently come after the election. This is in fact just like the Obama and China conspiracies just reversed and poorly repeated time and time again. A lot of news makes up lies on both sides this is likely a lie.

Here's an article from 2012 about a federal court ruling against a Texas voter ID law, finding it to be discriminatory.

But tell us more about how Democrats make up stories about voter suppression after losing an election.

Well it's better than making up stories about voter fraud after winning an election.

[Blasted Craigs]

Since the effects of aid to Puerto Rico was discussed on this thread, with many assuming that Trump didn't do enough for Puerto Rico, and bemoaning the starving there as proof of his inadequacy as President.
An update.
The secretary of State in Puerto Rico is outraged at finding boxes of unopened aid and water in dumpsters.

http://gotnews.com/breaking-puerto-rican-secretary-state-blows-whistle-hurricane-relief-fraud-finds-unopened-us-aid-dumpster/

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/17/us/puerto-rico-relief-to-aguas-buenas-weir/index.html

Second is CNN article, for those that scream "bias" on the first as a source. It has the video of the secretary of state finding the unopened boxes, and the article does its best to downplay it, referring to the outrageous situation with a single line amidst outrage over the horrible conditions there.
quote from CNN. As left leaning as possible.
"In the southern town of Patillas, the island's secretary of state says he was outraged to find a dumpster full of spoiled food and unused fresh water."
The video, from the Secretaries twitter account.

https://twitter.com/LuisRiveraMarin/status/920065911280820225?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F2017%2F10%2F17%2Fus%2Fpuerto-rico-relief-to-aguas-buenas-weir%2Findex.html

Actually, CNN would probably have not even referenced it had it not been for the Secretary posting video evidence on his twitter. Whats especially telling is the water, as one could try to claim the food was dumped for spoiling, but the water? Was dumped either because 1-couldn't be delivered due to lack of local ability or lack of will, or 2- was dumped to make it appear like not enough aid was forthcoming.
So, whose fault is it the people of Puerto Rico are not getting aid again?

As I've stated, these types of people (Looking at the mayor Cruz as an example) will gladly sacrifice their constituents to score political points.

[Genivaria]

It's probably fake or over-exagerated. This reminds me of Obama plus China voting conspiracy. I really do wish the Democrats would stop creating stories, because they lost. All these stories conveniently come after the election. This is in fact just like the Obama and China conspiracies just reversed and poorly repeated time and time again. A lot of news makes up lies on both sides this is likely a lie.

Here's an article from 2012 about a federal court ruling against a Texas voter ID law, finding it to be discriminatory.

But tell us more about how Democrats make up stories about voter suppression after losing an election.

Still haven't gotten my ID in the mail after filing it over a year ago.
Couldn't vote in the last election because of that.

[Post War America]

Here's an article from 2012 about a federal court ruling against a Texas voter ID law, finding it to be discriminatory.

But tell us more about how Democrats make up stories about voter suppression after losing an election.

Still haven't gotten my ID in the mail after filing it over a year ago.
Couldn't vote in the last election because of that.

That's obviously fake news mate. Because we all know that illegals are voting nonstop without ID.

[Blasted Craigs]

Still haven't gotten my ID in the mail after filing it over a year ago.
Couldn't vote in the last election because of that.

That's obviously fake news mate. Because we all know that illegals are voting nonstop without ID.

Depends on location. Many, many locations do not require ID to vote.
From Wikipedia
No ID required to vote at ballot box: California, Illinois, Iowa, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Nebraska, Nevada, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Vermont, West Virginia, Wyoming, and Washington, D.C.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_ID_laws_in_the_United_States

And other states do not require photo id, basically, a utility bill or blockbuster membership card is enough to vote
Non-Strict non-photo ID required: Alaska, Arkansas, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Kentucky, Missouri, Montana, New Hampshire, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Utah, and Washington.
Joking aside, non strict non photo id is as follows
In states with non-strict voter ID laws, other methods of validation are allowed, which vary by state. Possible alternatives are: signing an affidavit, having a poll worker vouch for voter, having election officials verify a voter's identity after the vote is cast, or having the voter return an inquiry mailed to their reported address.

[Vassenor]

That's obviously fake news mate. Because we all know that illegals are voting nonstop without ID.

Depends on location. Many, many locations do not require ID to vote.
From Wikipedia
No ID required to vote at ballot box: California, Illinois, Iowa, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Nebraska, Nevada, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Vermont, West Virginia, Wyoming, and Washington, D.C.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_ID_laws_in_the_United_States

And other states do not require photo id, basically, a utility bill or blockbuster membership card is enough to vote
Non-Strict non-photo ID required: Alaska, Arkansas, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Kentucky, Missouri, Montana, New Hampshire, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Utah, and Washington.

So how many cases of people actually voting illegally have there been?

[Myrensis]

Here's an article from 2012 about a federal court ruling against a Texas voter ID law, finding it to be discriminatory.

But tell us more about how Democrats make up stories about voter suppression after losing an election.

Well it's better than making up stories about voter fraud after winning an election.

It's Donald Trump, the idea that someone else got more votes, especially a female someone else, is intolerable to him.

Thus the only logical conclusion is that the 2016 election was distorted by election fraud on a scale orders of magnitude higher than any of the many many Republican investigations into voter fraud have ever been able to uncover, and that Donald Trump won by the biggest landslide in the history of human democracy!