Trump MAGAthread IX: Korea, The Dreamers and Trump

[Aidannadia]

In before Trump endorses the medicare plan and Republicans heads explode.

Trump would literally be "cucking" the Republicans and the alt-right.

Some parts of the alt-right wouldn't mind it, or would be indifferent entirely. Most would be too busy laughing to care either way.

[AiliailiA]

So how much do you think Democrats will try to take advantage of the fact that Trump seems to semi want to work with them because it "Makes him look good"?

Timing lines up with Sander's medicare plan, but that'll die so nothing good'll come of that.

Perhaps infrastructure/budgetary squabbles.

I never noticed how similar the words "Medicare" and "mediocre" are before now.

Medicare for all is a non-starter, I doubt even half the Democrats would tie themselves to that trillion dollar turkey.
Budget, I think the gap between what Freedom Caucus will demand (last stand of the Tea Party) and what Democrats would support is just too wide. Mainstream Republicans can't go to either without enraging the other, hell I don't think there will even BE a budget (just CR's) now the crazy small government types have the debt ceiling to bargain with (in December instead of this month, brings it too close to the next election.

So it's infrastructure. Maybe, with it being in each Congress-critter's political interest to get the spending in their district or state, the smell of pork will lure them away from the party lines. Gotta be a pretty big pot though, and actual spending not tax breaks because with those the companies building infrastructure get the credit AND a bunch of their spending goes out of state or oversees. It's still porkish, it's just not the premium pork worth fighting over.

Dems probably won't even go for infrastructure spending if too much of it is tax-breaks. Depends how corporatist they really are, I guess.

[Aidannadia]

Timing lines up with Sander's medicare plan, but that'll die so nothing good'll come of that.

Perhaps infrastructure/budgetary squabbles.

I never noticed how similar the words "Medicare" and "mediocre" are before now.

Medicare for all is a non-starter, I doubt even half the Democrats would tie themselves to that trillion dollar turkey.
Budget, I think the gap between what Freedom Caucus will demand (last stand of the Tea Party) and what Democrats would support is just too wide. Mainstream Republicans can't go to either without enraging the other, hell I don't think there will even BE a budget (just CR's) now the crazy small government types have the debt ceiling to bargain with (in December instead of this month, brings it too close to the next election.

So it's infrastructure. Maybe, with it being in each Congress-critter's political interest to get the spending in their district or state, the smell of pork will lure them away from the party lines. Gotta be a pretty big pot though, and actual spending not tax breaks because with those the companies building infrastructure get the credit AND a bunch of their spending goes out of state or oversees. It's still porkish, it's just not the premium pork worth fighting over.

Dems probably won't even go for infrastructure spending if too much of it is tax-breaks. Depends how corporatist they really are, I guess.

How mad is Trump at the Freedom caucus? Does he ultimately just lay the blame on leadership, or does he remember the freedom caucus killing medicare?

He keeps sending Congress more and more to do, so that he is far away when it fails, and he can blame someone else. Therefore, does he push leadership to the freedom caucus, or use moderate democrats working with leadership to pass a middle of the road bill, and end up looking good.

EDIT: Go a few months by a few months, pass something meager compared to what he wants just in time to avoid a shutdown or after a bit of pressure is laid in by the actual shutdown, then blame moderates in congress for undercutting his agenda, and push for cronies or freedom caucus is a good choice. Rather risky and difficult though.

[AiliailiA]

I never noticed how similar the words "Medicare" and "mediocre" are before now.

Medicare for all is a non-starter, I doubt even half the Democrats would tie themselves to that trillion dollar turkey.
Budget, I think the gap between what Freedom Caucus will demand (last stand of the Tea Party) and what Democrats would support is just too wide. Mainstream Republicans can't go to either without enraging the other, hell I don't think there will even BE a budget (just CR's) now the crazy small government types have the debt ceiling to bargain with (in December instead of this month, brings it too close to the next election.

So it's infrastructure. Maybe, with it being in each Congress-critter's political interest to get the spending in their district or state, the smell of pork will lure them away from the party lines. Gotta be a pretty big pot though, and actual spending not tax breaks because with those the companies building infrastructure get the credit AND a bunch of their spending goes out of state or oversees. It's still porkish, it's just not the premium pork worth fighting over.

Dems probably won't even go for infrastructure spending if too much of it is tax-breaks. Depends how corporatist they really are, I guess.

How mad is Trump at the Freedom caucus? Does he ultimately just lay the blame on leadership, or does he remember the freedom caucus killing medicare?

He keeps sending Congress more and more to do, so that he is far away when it fails, and he can blame someone else. Therefore, does he push leadership to the freedom caucus, or use moderate democrats working with leadership to pass a middle of the road bill, and end up looking good.

EDIT: Go a few months by a few months, pass something meager compared to what he wants just in time to avoid a shutdown or after a bit of pressure is laid in by the actual shutdown, then blame moderates in congress for undercutting his agenda, and push for cronies or freedom caucus is a good choice. Rather risky and difficult though.

Your pondering is interesting, but as these are all just possibilities and none so remote I would call them practically impossible, I don't want to argue with any of it.

There are signs Trump learned from the Repeal and Replace debacle that the workings of Congress are too complicated for him to understand, and also that HE will be blamed if Republicans there can't get anything passed. So while he isn't exactly treating Congress with respect (as co-governors of the country with himself) at least he isn't giving them orders via Twitter or threatening to 'primary' members who don't vote the way he wants.

It's really hard for a President to row for the party without rocking the boat. The President's public profile is so high and individual Senators (in particular, though also senior House members) become resentful if the President accidentally eclipses them. I honestly doubt Trump will ever be good at it, and the best he can do is not row at all. That is, don't have specific opinions about bills until they're passed (or certain to pass), express generic faith in Congress to "do its job" and never impatience with it, for not. And cultivate informants in the Republican caucus so he doesn't have to take McConnell or Ryan's word for what's actually going on.

[Aidannadia]

Your pondering is interesting, but as these are all just possibilities and none so remote I would call them practically impossible, I don't want to argue with any of it.

There are signs Trump learned from the Repeal and Replace debacle that the workings of Congress are too complicated for him to understand, and also that HE will be blamed if Republicans there can't get anything passed. So while he isn't exactly treating Congress with respect (as co-governors of the country with himself) at least he isn't giving them orders via Twitter or threatening to 'primary' members who don't vote the way he wants.

It's really hard for a President to row for the party without rocking the boat. The President's public profile is so high and individual Senators (in particular, though also senior House members) become resentful if the President accidentally eclipses them. I honestly doubt Trump will ever be good at it, and the best he can do is not row at all. That is, don't have specific opinions about bills until they're passed (or certain to pass), express generic faith in Congress to "do its job" and never impatience with it, for not. And cultivate informants in the Republican caucus so he doesn't have to take McConnell or Ryan's word for what's actually going on.

I don't see this president not 'rocking' the boat. That's his entire strategy. Especially considering that this is a story now.

[Steffan]

Your pondering is interesting, but as these are all just possibilities and none so remote I would call them practically impossible, I don't want to argue with any of it.

There are signs Trump learned from the Repeal and Replace debacle that the workings of Congress are too complicated for him to understand, and also that HE will be blamed if Republicans there can't get anything passed. So while he isn't exactly treating Congress with respect (as co-governors of the country with himself) at least he isn't giving them orders via Twitter or threatening to 'primary' members who don't vote the way he wants.

It's really hard for a President to row for the party without rocking the boat. The President's public profile is so high and individual Senators (in particular, though also senior House members) become resentful if the President accidentally eclipses them. I honestly doubt Trump will ever be good at it, and the best he can do is not row at all. That is, don't have specific opinions about bills until they're passed (or certain to pass), express generic faith in Congress to "do its job" and never impatience with it, for not. And cultivate informants in the Republican caucus so he doesn't have to take McConnell or Ryan's word for what's actually going on.

I don't see this president not 'rocking' the boat. That's his entire strategy. Especially considering that this is a story now.

*grabs popcorn*
*engages 3-D glasses*

[Sovaal]

Your pondering is interesting, but as these are all just possibilities and none so remote I would call them practically impossible, I don't want to argue with any of it.

There are signs Trump learned from the Repeal and Replace debacle that the workings of Congress are too complicated for him to understand, and also that HE will be blamed if Republicans there can't get anything passed. So while he isn't exactly treating Congress with respect (as co-governors of the country with himself) at least he isn't giving them orders via Twitter or threatening to 'primary' members who don't vote the way he wants.

It's really hard for a President to row for the party without rocking the boat. The President's public profile is so high and individual Senators (in particular, though also senior House members) become resentful if the President accidentally eclipses them. I honestly doubt Trump will ever be good at it, and the best he can do is not row at all. That is, don't have specific opinions about bills until they're passed (or certain to pass), express generic faith in Congress to "do its job" and never impatience with it, for not. And cultivate informants in the Republican caucus so he doesn't have to take McConnell or Ryan's word for what's actually going on.

I don't see this president not 'rocking' the boat. That's his entire strategy. Especially considering that this is a story now.

Hell, he ran on how he was going to rock the boat.

[Gauthier]

I don't see this president not 'rocking' the boat. That's his entire strategy. Especially considering that this is a story now.

Hell, he ran on how he was going to rock the boat.

Rock the boat so much it runs aground.

[Sovaal]

Hell, he ran on how he was going to rock the boat.

Rock the boat so much it runs aground.

He'll simply build a wall around the reef and make the coral pay for it.

[Clintonburge]

Trump company hires Chinese government-owned firm despite promise: report

Remember when Trump said "Buy American, hire American!"?

Well...he didn't really mean that like most of the things he says.

President Trump's family business reportedly hired a construction company owned by the Chinese government to work on a project even though Trump promised it would not work with any foreign entities while he was in the White House.

[Salandriagado]

False.

Let's hear about this fantasy world you're in.

Being in the United States without permission is not a criminal offence, but a civil offence. Most illegal immigrants have never crossed any kind of border illegally (they entered with all appropriate paperwork for a temporary stay, then simply didn't go home, which is a civil offence, not a criminal one).

(a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection; misrepresentation and concealment of facts
Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.

No part of that mentions being in the US without paperwork. It's also entirely possible to do it without violation points 2 or 3: point 2 only comes up if anybody tries to inspect them, and point 3 only comes up if it was premeditated.

[Calladan]

Trump company hires Chinese government-owned firm despite promise: report

Remember when Trump said "Buy American, hire American!"?

Well...he didn't really mean that like most of the things he says.

President Trump's family business reportedly hired a construction company owned by the Chinese government to work on a project even though Trump promised it would not work with any foreign entities while he was in the White House.

Trump lied? You do surprise me. Tomorrow you'll be telling me he is an enormous cunt who has no idea how to run a country and I will be even MORE surprised.

[Clintonburge]

Bannon: Trump’s DACA Decision Could Cost Republicans The House

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/b ... house-2018

“I’m worried about losing the House now because of this — of — because of DACA. And my fear is that with this six months down range, if we have another huge — if this goes all the way down to its logical conclusion, in February and March it will be a civil war inside the Republican Party that will be every bit as vitriolic as 2013. And to me, doing that in the springboard of primary season for 2018 is extremely unwise,” Bannon said on CBS’ “60 Minutes.”

We'll see... I would enjoy Republican party infighting.

[Aidannadia]

We'll see... I would enjoy Republican party infighting.

DACA definitely will lead to Republican infighting because there is no way they pass something on DACA in this congress. Scott Taylor, an early Trump supporter and freshie on the Hill from a moderate district, had to sign the letter asking for Trump not to do away with the DACA order. They're already feeling that pressure.

Hell, maybe Trump will sign an order even more overreaching that DACA supposedly was constitutionally. Or he'll just lay into congress and deflect with his pundits, but they are getting kinda few and far between these days....

[Steffan]

Bannon: Trump’s DACA Decision Could Cost Republicans The House

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/b ... house-2018

“I’m worried about losing the House now because of this — of — because of DACA. And my fear is that with this six months down range, if we have another huge — if this goes all the way down to its logical conclusion, in February and March it will be a civil war inside the Republican Party that will be every bit as vitriolic as 2013. And to me, doing that in the springboard of primary season for 2018 is extremely unwise,” Bannon said on CBS’ “60 Minutes.”

We'll see... I would enjoy Republican party infighting.

[Clintonburge]

Pope launches thinly veiled attack on Trump, saying: 'History will judge climate change deniers'

Pope Francis has said that "history will judge" those who refuse to accept the science of climate change.

“If someone is doubtful that [climate change] is true, they should ask scientists," he told reporters aboard the papal plane. "These are not opinions made on the fly. They are very clear. Then each person can decide and history will judge the decisions."

[The Rich Port]

Surprise surprise surprise.

Donald Trump doesn't know how to do fucking shit.

He's handling North Korea like a summer Nationstates noobie handles a summer Nationstates troll in the RP threads, is handling the immigration situation like an OCD sufferer handles an ant infestation (by spraying himself with pesticide) and, admittedly a first in presidential history, handles the White House like it's a goddamn porn parody of itself.

"I can't suck my own dick" indeed...

[The Rich Port]

Your pondering is interesting, but as these are all just possibilities and none so remote I would call them practically impossible, I don't want to argue with any of it.

There are signs Trump learned from the Repeal and Replace debacle that the workings of Congress are too complicated for him to understand, and also that HE will be blamed if Republicans there can't get anything passed. So while he isn't exactly treating Congress with respect (as co-governors of the country with himself) at least he isn't giving them orders via Twitter or threatening to 'primary' members who don't vote the way he wants.

It's really hard for a President to row for the party without rocking the boat. The President's public profile is so high and individual Senators (in particular, though also senior House members) become resentful if the President accidentally eclipses them. I honestly doubt Trump will ever be good at it, and the best he can do is not row at all. That is, don't have specific opinions about bills until they're passed (or certain to pass), express generic faith in Congress to "do its job" and never impatience with it, for not. And cultivate informants in the Republican caucus so he doesn't have to take McConnell or Ryan's word for what's actually going on.

I don't see this president not 'rocking' the boat. That's his entire strategy. Especially considering that this is a story now.

That's not rocking the boat so much as it is shitting in the jacuzzi that's on the boat.

[Holy Tedalonia]

Guys, we all know NK has created a weather machine. 3 hurricanes in one months time? That's not typical... that earthquake was a mistake, but Kim Jon something has gotten it to work...

[The Rich Port]

Guys, we all know NK has created a weather machine. 3 hurricanes in one months time? That's not typical... that earthquake was a mistake, but Kim Jon something has gotten it to work...

BUT JUST KNOW. TRUMPET SHALL DEFEND US FROM THE WEATHER MACHINE. TRUMPET, DEFENDER OF AMERICA.

Trump is just as bad at Kim Jong Un when it comes to exaggerating how vital he is to national defense.

[Corrian]

Guys, we all know NK has created a weather machine. 3 hurricanes in one months time? That's not typical... that earthquake was a mistake, but Kim Jon something has gotten it to work...

Pretty sure 3 hurricanes in one month is perfectly typical.

Maybe not so much 3 at once.

[Clintonburge]

Guys, we all know NK has created a weather machine. 3 hurricanes in one months time? That's not typical... that earthquake was a mistake, but Kim Jon something has gotten it to work...

Is it really a North Korean weather machine? Infowars' Alex Jones said the "globalists" are controlling the weather and causing disasters.

[Sovaal]

Guys, we all know NK has created a weather machine. 3 hurricanes in one months time? That's not typical... that earthquake was a mistake, but Kim Jon something has gotten it to work...

Is it really a North Korean weather machine? Infowars' Alex Jones said the "globalists" are controlling the weather and causing disasters.

Well the Norks are in control of the globalists, so same difference./s

[Proctopeo]

Is it really a North Korean weather machine? Infowars' Alex Jones said the "globalists" are controlling the weather and causing disasters.

Well the Norks are in control of the globalists, so same difference./s

But the North Koreans are being controlled by reptilians!

[Holy Tedalonia]

Well the Norks are in control of the globalists, so same difference./s

But the North Koreans are being controlled by reptilians!

I thought it was crab people...