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Kekistonia wrote:

Vassenor wrote:
For the record, the Constitution is not a set of laws passed by Congress.

So what makes it unconstitutional?

It directly flies in the face of immigration laws already passed by congress.

Clintonburge wrote:

Farnhamia wrote:What makes you think these people will have a choice as to where they're going, if they're deported? They go back to the country their parents came from. That they've never lived there makes no difference.

Of course they don't have a choice, especially with Trump's hard line immigration policies in place. I'm saying that its not compassionate and is against the embracing of immigrants that America, as a nation, does.

"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore, Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!" - Statue of Liberty

Kekistonia wrote:

Clintonburge wrote:
Unconstitutional like Trump's Muslim ban done by Executive Order?

That was upheld by the Supreme Court. DACA was not.

Vassenor wrote:

Kekistonia wrote:
That was upheld by the Supreme Court. DACA was not.

Ergo any law not brought before the Supreme Court is de facto unconstitutional?

Kekistonia wrote:

Vassenor wrote:
Ergo any law not brought before the Supreme Court is de facto unconstitutional?

DACA is not a law. A law has to be passed by congress.

Kekistonia wrote:

Vassenor wrote:
Ergo any law not brought before the Supreme Court is de facto unconstitutional?

DACA is not a law. A law has to be passed by congress.

Vassenor wrote:

Kekistonia wrote:
DACA is not a law. A law has to be passed by congress.

So when was the Muslim Ban passed by Congress?

Neutraligon wrote:

Kekistonia wrote:
DACA is not a law. A law has to be passed by congress.

Correct it is a policy in which agents focus their attention on those who are committing criminal acts. You have yet to say how this is unconstitutional.

Kekistonia wrote:

Vassenor wrote:
So when was the Muslim Ban passed by Congress?

The muslim ban was not intended to be a law, it was intended to be a temporary restriction on certain people entering the US. Even then, the muslim ban is irrelevant. This is about DACA.

Kekistonia wrote:

Vassenor wrote:
So when was the Muslim Ban passed by Congress?

The muslim ban was not intended to be a law, it was intended to be a temporary restriction on certain people entering the US. Even then, the muslim ban is irrelevant. This is about DACA.

Kekistonia wrote:

Neutraligon wrote:Correct it is a policy in which agents focus their attention on those who are committing criminal acts. You have yet to say how this is unconstitutional.

It is an overreach of executive power that effectively exempts people on American soil from American law.

Neutraligon wrote:

Kekistonia wrote:
It is an overreach of executive power that effectively exempts people on American soil from American law.

It does not. It instead is instructions on who to focus on when it comes to deportations, since deportations tend to cost money. Who would you rather have deported, a student who has only committed a civil violation and did so as a child, or someone who has actually broken criminal law.

Kekistonia wrote:It is unbelievable that people here are actually arguing against enforcing the law. This is undefendable.

Staniel wrote:Children who were born by illegal immigrants are still here illegally due to both parents not being legal, naturalized U.S. citizens. I fully support Trump's decision on this. I can sense the outpouring of fuming rage from liberals already.

Proctopeo wrote:

Staniel wrote:Children who were born by illegal immigrants are still here illegally due to both parents not being legal, naturalized U.S. citizens. I fully support Trump's decision on this. I can sense the outpouring of fuming rage from liberals already.

People born within US jurisdiction are US citizens, but if they were born elsewhere, they aren't.
I'm not 100% sure how US waters work with this.

Vassenor wrote:

Kekistonia wrote:It is unbelievable that people here are actually arguing against enforcing the law. This is undefendable.

So I guess that means people need to stop lionising Kim Davis then?

Vassenor wrote:

Proctopeo wrote:People born within US jurisdiction are US citizens, but if they were born elsewhere, they aren't.
I'm not 100% sure how US waters work with this.

Territorial waters count, as do US-flagged aircraft anywhere IIRC.

Vassenor wrote:

Kekistonia wrote:It is unbelievable that people here are actually arguing against enforcing the law. This is undefendable.

So I guess that means people need to stop lionising Kim Davis then?

Salus Maior wrote:

Vassenor wrote:
So I guess that means people need to stop lionising Kim Davis then?

Why is she still relevant?

Kekistonia wrote:

Neutraligon wrote:It does not. It instead is instructions on who to focus on when it comes to deportations, since deportations tend to cost money. Who would you rather have deported, a student who has only committed a civil violation and did so as a child, or someone who has actually broken criminal law.

Get rid of them both. All illegal aliens must go. It is the law.

Vassenor wrote:

Kekistonia wrote:
The muslim ban was not intended to be a law, it was intended to be a temporary restriction on certain people entering the US. Even then, the muslim ban is irrelevant. This is about DACA.

So in other words a violation of the Fourteenth Amendment's discrimination protections.