Trump MAGAthread IX: Korea, The Dreamers and Trump

[New haven america]

2B. In your own presented definition, the state isn't even mentioned. How can the state own shit when it doesn't even get mentioned?
4. In a communist society there would even be a state, sovereign or otherwise
5. Which ones? State socialism, reform socialism, revolutionary socialism, state socialism, libertarian socialism, democratic socialism, social democracy, etc...?
6. False. In totalitarianism in state owns everything, in socialism the community holds control of the means of production. Two completely different things, yet you seem to not be able to understand this
7. And most if not all allow for the ownership of private property, so yeah...
1. And that is complete and total bullshit. Boht Fascism and Totalitarianism derive from Authoritarianism, which is a far-right leaning ideology, meanwhile Socialism is more of a left leaning ideology. Seems like to two are complete opposites actually.

So, are you gonna come up with a decent argument, or continue wasting my time?

Far Right? Socialism, Fascism, Totalitarianism, and communism, control the economy while "far right" focus on capitalism which is like say, "FUCK CONTROL!!!"

How do you get this baffling idea that Fascism and Totalitarianism is Far Right?

Fascism, usually placed within the far-right.
Authoritarianism, part of Neo-Fascism, with totalitarianism being it's furthest extreme.

Fucking hell, all it would take is one look at Wikipedia or the Political Grid to show you you're wrong, but I see you just want to waste my time, so adios~

[Seangoli]

Fascism is more akin to radical centrism than it is left-wing. It is an admixture of hard leftist economic policies coupled with right wing conservativism and nationalism.

It's questionable that fascism has 'hard left economics' since they don't use a planned economy.

Fascism is typically syndicalist corporatism, which sort of capitalistic and sort of collectivist at the same time. Fascist economic policies are best described as radical centrist in nature.

Fascist social policies, however, are decidedly right-wing.

[Holy Tedalonia]

Far Right? Socialism, Fascism, Totalitarianism, and communism, control the economy while "far right" focus on capitalism which is like say, "FUCK CONTROL!!!"

How do you get this baffling idea that Fascism and Totalitarianism is Far Right?

Fascism, usually placed within the far-right.
Authoritarianism, part of Neo-Fascism, with totalitarianism being it's furthest extreme.

Fucking hell, all it would take is one look at Wikipedia or the Political Grid to show you you're wrong, but I see you just want to waste my time, so adios~

Look what I was saying is that economic wise it's left, although they retain some conservative beliefs, its mainly focuses on owning everything while conservatives beliefs are to maintain moral values (aka traditions) and defend capitalism. Naturally they'd be opposed to Fascism and totalitarianism, so I can't see the connection your "creating"

[Genivaria]

It's questionable that fascism has 'hard left economics' since they don't use a planned economy.

Fascism is typically syndicalist corporatism, which sort of capitalistic and sort of collectivist at the same time. Fascist economic policies are best described as radical centrist in nature.

Fascist social policies, however, are decidedly right-wing.

Fair enough.

[Bakery Hill]

It's questionable that fascism has 'hard left economics' since they don't use a planned economy.

Fascism is typically syndicalist corporatism, which sort of capitalistic and sort of collectivist at the same time. Fascist economic policies are best described as radical centrist in nature.

Fascist social policies, however, are decidedly right-wing.

In theory, yes. In practice in both Italy and Germany their corporatism heavily favoured big industrialists and kept workers compliant. Fascism always bent low to accommodate power.

[Seangoli]

Fascism, usually placed within the far-right.
Authoritarianism, part of Neo-Fascism, with totalitarianism being it's furthest extreme.

Fucking hell, all it would take is one look at Wikipedia or the Political Grid to show you you're wrong, but I see you just want to waste my time, so adios~

Look what I was saying is that economic wise it's left, although they retain some conservative beliefs, its mainly focuses on owning everything while conservatives beliefs are to maintain moral values (aka traditions) and defend capitalism. Naturally they'd be opposed to Fascism and totalitarianism, so I can't see the connection your "creating"

Fascistic economies require some degree of capitalistic market system in order to function, even if the means of production are collectively owned. Fascism is equally heavily based nationalistic identities, which is where the typical ties to right-wing politics is brought in.

[Bakery Hill]

Look what I was saying is that economic wise it's left, although they retain some conservative beliefs, its mainly focuses on owning everything while conservatives beliefs are to maintain moral values (aka traditions) and defend capitalism. Naturally they'd be opposed to Fascism and totalitarianism, so I can't see the connection your "creating"

Fascistic economies require some degree of capitalistic market system in order to function, even if the means of production are collectively owned. Fascism is equally heavily based nationalistic identities, which is where the typical ties to right-wing politics is brought in.

Which didn't happen anyway. State control =/= collective ownership. At any rate big industrial combines like the Krupps were allowed to profit heavily from collaboration with the state. It was corporatism in the other, newer sense of the word.

[Holy Tedalonia]

Look what I was saying is that economic wise it's left, although they retain some conservative beliefs, its mainly focuses on owning everything while conservatives beliefs are to maintain moral values (aka traditions) and defend capitalism. Naturally they'd be opposed to Fascism and totalitarianism, so I can't see the connection your "creating"

Fascistic economies require some degree of capitalistic market system in order to function, even if the means of production are collectively owned. Fascism is equally heavily based nationalistic identities, which is where the typical ties to right-wing politics is brought in.

*sigh*
I don't think nationalism effects the economy that greatly. Besides nationalism only is in conservatism, because conservatives believe that people are losing pride in their country. They just want to return that fire. It's not nearly as bad as Fascism which believes that people serve the state. It is certainly a motivator though.

Although let's return to the main topic if Nazi Germany was "not" a socialist country, then that means there's only one socialist superpower which is the USSR. It lasted a short while, and had a economic crash

woopdie do socialism is great!

[Bakery Hill]

Fascistic economies require some degree of capitalistic market system in order to function, even if the means of production are collectively owned. Fascism is equally heavily based nationalistic identities, which is where the typical ties to right-wing politics is brought in.

*sigh*
I don't think nationalism effects the economy that greatly. Besides nationalism only is in conservatism, because conservatives believe that people are losing pride in their country. They just want to return that fire. It's not nearly as bad as Fascism which believes that people serve the state. It is certainly a motivator though.

Although let's return to the main topic if Nazi Germany was "not" a socialist country, then that means there's only one socialist superpower which is the USSR. It lasted a short while, and had a economic crash

woopdie do socialism is great!

you know words have meanings right?

[Holy Tedalonia]

*sigh*
I don't think nationalism effects the economy that greatly. Besides nationalism only is in conservatism, because conservatives believe that people are losing pride in their country. They just want to return that fire. It's not nearly as bad as Fascism which believes that people serve the state. It is certainly a motivator though.

Although let's return to the main topic if Nazi Germany was "not" a socialist country, then that means there's only one socialist superpower which is the USSR. It lasted a short while, and had a economic crash

woopdie do socialism is great!

you know words have meanings right?

Yeah, since all words have meaning
We have a language for a reason and I'm using it

[Bakery Hill]

you know words have meanings right?

Yeah, since all words have meaning
We have a language for a reason and I'm using it

"Nationalism is only in conservatism" oh dear god

[Gauthier]

I'm just saying, its a little too red if you get me.

Time to start calling it freedom bacon.

Meanwhile...

[Vassenor]

Yes, let Europe or Canada get the $200 billion they paid into the economy.

Just from refugees? That requires a source, ole chap.

Well that's a pretty big admission that you didn't actually read that article.

[New haven america]

Great, now the armed forces are gonna get $700,000,000 in 2018, and we're not in any military conflicts whatsoever.

How fucking wonderful...

[Ifreann]

Great, now the armed forces are gonna get $700,000,000 in 2018, and we're not in any military conflicts whatsoever.

How fucking wonderful...

You're in several military conflicts.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Great, now the armed forces are gonna get $700,000,000 in 2018, and we're not in any military conflicts whatsoever.

How fucking wonderful...

There are several conflicts throughout the world we have to be ready for.

[Vassenor]

Great, now the armed forces are gonna get $700,000,000 in 2018, and we're not in any military conflicts whatsoever.

How fucking wonderful...

There are several conflicts throughout the world we have to be ready for.

Several of which wouldn't actually be a problem if Donnie could keep his mouth shut.

[Holy Tedalonia]

Great, now the armed forces are gonna get $700,000,000 in 2018, and we're not in any military conflicts whatsoever.

How fucking wonderful...

There are several conflicts throughout the world we have to be ready for.

Even if there is no wars we love our Boy Scout motto of being prepared

[The Empire of Pretantia]

There are several conflicts throughout the world we have to be ready for.

Several of which wouldn't actually be a problem if Donnie could keep his mouth shut.

No.

[Vassenor]

Koch network 'piggy banks' closed until Republicans pass health and tax reform

So basically unless the ACA is repealed now and the rich get their tax breaks then there's going to be no funding from the Kochs at midterms.

[Holy Tedalonia]

There are several conflicts throughout the world we have to be ready for.

Several of which wouldn't actually be a problem if Donnie could keep his mouth shut.

I don't think I like the idea of Syrians gassing eachother...

[Vassenor]

Several of which wouldn't actually be a problem if Donnie could keep his mouth shut.

I don't think I like the idea of Syrians gassing eachother...

Wasn't not getting involved over there a big part of his platform?

[Holy Tedalonia]

I don't think I like the idea of Syrians gassing eachother...

Wasn't not getting involved over there a big part of his platform?

It's part of his anti Putin plan

[Ifreann]

Koch network 'piggy banks' closed until Republicans pass health and tax reform

So basically unless the ACA is repealed now and the rich get their tax breaks then there's going to be no funding from the Kochs at midterms.

[Steffan]

Koch network 'piggy banks' closed until Republicans pass health and tax reform

So basically unless the ACA is repealed now and the rich get their tax breaks then there's going to be no funding from the Kochs at midterms.

Wow...the Kochs reeeeeealy don't like Trump