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Postby Vassenor » Tue Sep 19, 2017 6:40 pm

Galloism wrote:Mueller Rents Giant Warehouse to Store Evidence Against Trump



WASHINGTON —Robert Mueller is renting a massive warehouse facility in suburban Virginia to accommodate the approximately forty cubic tons of evidence against Donald Trump that the independent counsel’s investigation is generating on a daily basis.

Employing over two thousand workers in a warehouse the size of seven football fields, the Mueller investigation has become the fastest-growing sector of the U.S. economy, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

Working twelve-hour shifts, the members of Mueller’s evidence-storage team rarely leave the warehouse, where the punishing task of filing mountains of evidence against Trump proceeds around the clock.

“It’s like a city all its own,” one warehouse worker said. “There are people working in the Michael Flynn section who’ve never met the people working in the Paul Manafort section.”

While the warehouse workers are well paid, there have been issues with burnout. “The team in charge of filing all of Donald Trump, Jr.,’s different explanations of his meeting with the Russians had to take time off,” one worker said.

As gargantuan as the storage space appears to be, an aide to Mueller said that the investigation would soon be seeking a second, even larger warehouse. “We need a place to put all the Jared stuff,” the aide said.


I think I see the Ark of the Covenant in there somewhere.
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Postby New haven america » Tue Sep 19, 2017 6:41 pm

Holy Tedalonia wrote:
New haven america wrote:I fucking miss the facepalm smilie...

Totalitarianism:
Totalitarianism is a political system in which the state recognizes no limits to its authority and strives to regulate every aspect of public and private life wherever feasible. A distinctive feature of totalitarian governments is an "elaborate ideology, a set of ideas that gives meaning and direction to the whole society".

Socialism:
a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

Ok, fyi, Nazi Germany was Fascist.

Secondly, there is a major difference between community ownership/regulation and the state striving to regulate everything it can. Hell, even your own definitions are failing you due to the fact that socialism doesn't mention anything about the state or state control, only the community, which are two different entities. Also, it's ignoring the fact that socialism is economic, while totalitarianism is all encompassing.

Find a better argument please, or stop using a terrible meme, whichever comes first.
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Postby New haven america » Tue Sep 19, 2017 6:41 pm

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I think I see the Ark of the Covenant in there somewhere.

I think there might be a map to Atlantis somewhere in there as well.
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Postby Steffan » Tue Sep 19, 2017 6:48 pm

New haven america wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
I think I see the Ark of the Covenant in there somewhere.

I think there might be a map to Atlantis somewhere in there as well.

And all the Spanish gold that'll pay for the WALL!
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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Tue Sep 19, 2017 6:50 pm

New haven america wrote:
Holy Tedalonia wrote:Totalitarianism:
Totalitarianism is a political system in which the state recognizes no limits to its authority and strives to regulate every aspect of public and private life wherever feasible. A distinctive feature of totalitarian governments is an "elaborate ideology, a set of ideas that gives meaning and direction to the whole society".

Socialism:
a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

Ok, fyi, Nazi Germany was Fascist.

Secondly, there is a major difference between community ownership/regulation and the state striving to regulate everything it can. Hell, even your own definitions are failing you due to the fact that socialism doesn't mention anything about the state or state control, only the community, which are two different entities. Also, it's ignoring the fact that socialism is economic, while totalitarianism is all encompassing.

Find a better argument please, or stop using a terrible meme, whichever comes first.

Yeah I know, Fascism derives from totalitarianism, and your community reason for why their not similar is bull. Both beliefs like state runned economies, and Fascists had state runned economies (like communism). The only thing dividing Fascism is it's absolute dictatorship, nationalism, and state owns absolutely owns everything. Economy wise their fairly similar which socialism prioritizes on. Atleast with a socialist society a person can own something.
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Postby Gauthier » Tue Sep 19, 2017 6:55 pm

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New haven america wrote:I think there might be a map to Atlantis somewhere in there as well.

And all the Spanish gold that'll pay for the WALL!

As well as the millions of people that supposedly attended Trump's inauguration.
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Postby Maineiacs » Tue Sep 19, 2017 6:59 pm

New haven america wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
I think I see the Ark of the Covenant in there somewhere.

I think there might be a map to Atlantis somewhere in there as well.



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Postby New haven america » Tue Sep 19, 2017 7:11 pm

Holy Tedalonia wrote:
New haven america wrote:Ok, fyi, Nazi Germany was Fascist.

Secondly, there is a major difference between community ownership/regulation and the state striving to regulate everything it can. Hell, even your own definitions are failing you due to the fact that socialism doesn't mention anything about the state or state control, only the community, which are two different entities. Also, it's ignoring the fact that socialism is economic, while totalitarianism is all encompassing.

Find a better argument please, or stop using a terrible meme, whichever comes first.

Yeah I know, 1.Fascism derives from totalitarianism, 2a.and your community reason for why their not similar is bull. 2b.Both beliefs like state runned economies, 3.and Fascists had state runned economies (4.like communism). 5.The only thing dividing Fascism is it's absolute dictatorship, nationalism, and state owns absolutely owns everything. 6.Economy wise their fairly similar which socialism prioritizes on. 7.Atleast with a socialist society a person can own something.

1. No it doesn't
2A. No they're not, 2B.Not in your presented definitions they don't, go back a reread them
3. Yes, it's called totalitarianism
4. In a communist society there wouldn't even be a state
5. So it's completely different from socialism?
6. Yeah, so that's why most forms of socialism allow private businesses and property, because it hates them, it makes so much sense now.
7. And property, businesses, etc...
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Postby The Knockout Gun Gals » Tue Sep 19, 2017 7:19 pm

Galloism wrote:Mueller Rents Giant Warehouse to Store Evidence Against Trump



WASHINGTON —Robert Mueller is renting a massive warehouse facility in suburban Virginia to accommodate the approximately forty cubic tons of evidence against Donald Trump that the independent counsel’s investigation is generating on a daily basis.

Employing over two thousand workers in a warehouse the size of seven football fields, the Mueller investigation has become the fastest-growing sector of the U.S. economy, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

Working twelve-hour shifts, the members of Mueller’s evidence-storage team rarely leave the warehouse, where the punishing task of filing mountains of evidence against Trump proceeds around the clock.

“It’s like a city all its own,” one warehouse worker said. “There are people working in the Michael Flynn section who’ve never met the people working in the Paul Manafort section.”

While the warehouse workers are well paid, there have been issues with burnout. “The team in charge of filing all of Donald Trump, Jr.,’s different explanations of his meeting with the Russians had to take time off,” one worker said.

As gargantuan as the storage space appears to be, an aide to Mueller said that the investigation would soon be seeking a second, even larger warehouse. “We need a place to put all the Jared stuff,” the aide said.


I can see that the evidences are either that many, or perhaps some of them have less credibilities than some other.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Tue Sep 19, 2017 7:20 pm

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Northern Davincia wrote:Why bother in bringing them in anyway? Let it be Europe's or Canada's problem.


Yes, let Europe or Canada get the $200 billion they paid into the economy. :roll:

Just from refugees? That requires a source, ole chap.
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Postby The East Marches II » Tue Sep 19, 2017 7:21 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Why bother in bringing them in anyway? Let it be Europe's or Canada's problem.


Yes, let Europe or Canada get the $200 billion they paid into the economy. :roll:


Europe preferably, we don't have a Canadian wall built yet unfortunately. That fucking flag is looking redder and redder every day.

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Postby The Knockout Gun Gals » Tue Sep 19, 2017 7:24 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Yes, let Europe or Canada get the $200 billion they paid into the economy. :roll:


Europe preferably, we don't have a Canadian wall built yet unfortunately. That fucking flag is looking redder and redder every day.


Why, because Canada stock some blood for the flag?

We probably don't need to know the sources of the blood.
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TriStates wrote:Covenant declare a crusade, and wage jihad against the UNSC and Insurrectionists for 30 years.

So Covenant declare a crusade and then wage jihad? :p

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Postby Ism » Tue Sep 19, 2017 7:27 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Yes, let Europe or Canada get the $200 billion they paid into the economy. :roll:


Europe preferably, we don't have a Canadian wall built yet unfortunately. That fucking flag is looking redder and redder every day.


You're just jealous of the majestic Maple Leaf ya hoser.

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Postby Northern Davincia » Tue Sep 19, 2017 7:29 pm

Ism wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
Europe preferably, we don't have a Canadian wall built yet unfortunately. That fucking flag is looking redder and redder every day.


You're just jealous of the majestic Maple Leaf ya hoser, eh?

ftfy
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The East Marches II wrote:
Europe preferably, we don't have a Canadian wall built yet unfortunately. That fucking flag is looking redder and redder every day.


Why, because Canada stock some blood for the flag?

We probably don't need to know the sources of the blood.

It's maple syrup, we swear.
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Postby New haven america » Tue Sep 19, 2017 7:35 pm

Ism wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
Europe preferably, we don't have a Canadian wall built yet unfortunately. That fucking flag is looking redder and redder every day.


You're just jealous of the majestic Maple Leaf ya hoser.

TBH, Canada's flag is kinda nicer than the US'. The US' flag is just a giant mess, while Canada's flag is so simple yet nice looking.
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Postby The East Marches II » Tue Sep 19, 2017 7:35 pm

Ism wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
Europe preferably, we don't have a Canadian wall built yet unfortunately. That fucking flag is looking redder and redder every day.


You're just jealous of the majestic Maple Leaf ya hoser.


I'm just saying, its a little too red if you get me.

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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Tue Sep 19, 2017 7:38 pm

New haven america wrote:
Holy Tedalonia wrote:Yeah I know, 1.Fascism derives from totalitarianism, 2a.and your community reason for why their not similar is bull. 2b.Both beliefs like state runned economies, 3.and Fascists had state runned economies (4.like communism). 5.The only thing dividing Fascism is it's absolute dictatorship, nationalism, and state owns absolutely owns everything. 6.Economy wise their fairly similar which socialism prioritizes on. 7.Atleast with a socialist society a person can own something.

1. No it doesn't
2A. No they're not, 2B.Not in your presented definitions they don't, go back a reread them
3. Yes, it's called totalitarianism
4. In a communist society there wouldn't even be a state
5. So it's completely different from socialism?
6. Yeah, so that's why most forms of socialism allow private businesses and property, because it hates them, it makes so much sense now.
7. And property, businesses, etc...

2B. Seriously if the state owns everything then it owns the businesses which means it's a state runned economy.
4. a sovereign state
A sovereign state is, in international law, a nonphysical juridical entity that is represented by one centralized government that has sovereignty over a geographic area.

(I would assume communist would have this...)
5. *sigh* in many forms of socialism they regulate the economy by owning it...
6. Socialism still aligns with totalitarianism when it comes to the economy having regulations and being owned.
7. True, but socialism go's in many forms.
1. And we return to one, within the fascist belief they believe in controlling the economy and commerce which involves control. In fact in Nazi Germany the government did own everything, and also in Italy, and then Spain... it go's on.


So... basically Fascism derives from totalitarianism which derives from a radical form of socialism. Say what you will, but they all prioritize one thing in their economy ideology CONTROL
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Postby Ism » Tue Sep 19, 2017 7:42 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
Ism wrote:
You're just jealous of the majestic Maple Leaf ya hoser.


I'm just saying, its a little too red if you get me.


But if you take away the red, all you've got is a French flag. I mean, Quebec might like that, but that's all the more reason not to do it.

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Postby The East Marches II » Tue Sep 19, 2017 7:46 pm

Ism wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
I'm just saying, its a little too red if you get me.


But if you take away the red, all you've got is a French flag. I mean, Quebec might like that, but that's all the more reason not to do it.


You've won today's sensible chuckle, well done.

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Postby New haven america » Tue Sep 19, 2017 7:50 pm

Holy Tedalonia wrote:
New haven america wrote:1. No it doesn't
2A. No they're not, 2B.Not in your presented definitions they don't, go back a reread them
3. Yes, it's called totalitarianism
4. In a communist society there wouldn't even be a state
5. So it's completely different from socialism?
6. Yeah, so that's why most forms of socialism allow private businesses and property, because it hates them, it makes so much sense now.
7. And property, businesses, etc...

2B. Seriously if the state owns everything then it owns the businesses which means it's a state runned economy.
4. a sovereign state
A sovereign state is, in international law, a nonphysical juridical entity that is represented by one centralized government that has sovereignty over a geographic area.

(I would assume communist would have this...)
5. *sigh* in many forms of socialism they regulate the economy by owning it...
6. Socialism still aligns with totalitarianism when it comes to the economy having regulations and being owned.
7. True, but socialism go's in many forms.
1. And we return to one, within the fascist belief they believe in controlling the economy and commerce which involves control. In fact in Nazi Germany the government did own everything, and also in Italy, and then Spain... it go's on.

So... basically Fascism derives from totalitarianism which derives from a radical form of socialism. Say what you will, but they all prioritize one thing in their economy ideology CONTROL

2B. In your own presented definition, the state isn't even mentioned. How can the state own shit when it doesn't even get mentioned?
4. In a communist society there would even be a state, sovereign or otherwise
5. Which ones? State socialism, reform socialism, revolutionary socialism, state socialism, libertarian socialism, democratic socialism, social democracy, etc...?
6. False. In totalitarianism in state owns everything, in socialism the community holds control of the means of production. Two completely different things, yet you seem to not be able to understand this
7. And most if not all allow for the ownership of private property, so yeah...
1. And that is complete and total bullshit. Boht Fascism and Totalitarianism derive from Authoritarianism, which is a far-right leaning ideology, meanwhile Socialism is more of a left leaning ideology. Seems like to two are complete opposites actually.

So, are you gonna come up with a decent argument, or continue wasting my time?
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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Tue Sep 19, 2017 7:56 pm

New haven america wrote:
Holy Tedalonia wrote:2B. Seriously if the state owns everything then it owns the businesses which means it's a state runned economy.
4. a sovereign state
A sovereign state is, in international law, a nonphysical juridical entity that is represented by one centralized government that has sovereignty over a geographic area.

(I would assume communist would have this...)
5. *sigh* in many forms of socialism they regulate the economy by owning it...
6. Socialism still aligns with totalitarianism when it comes to the economy having regulations and being owned.
7. True, but socialism go's in many forms.
1. And we return to one, within the fascist belief they believe in controlling the economy and commerce which involves control. In fact in Nazi Germany the government did own everything, and also in Italy, and then Spain... it go's on.

So... basically Fascism derives from totalitarianism which derives from a radical form of socialism. Say what you will, but they all prioritize one thing in their economy ideology CONTROL

2B. In your own presented definition, the state isn't even mentioned. How can the state own shit when it doesn't even get mentioned?
4. In a communist society there would even be a state, sovereign or otherwise
5. Which ones? State socialism, reform socialism, revolutionary socialism, state socialism, libertarian socialism, democratic socialism, social democracy, etc...?
6. False. In totalitarianism in state owns everything, in socialism the community holds control of the means of production. Two completely different things, yet you seem to not be able to understand this
7. And most if not all allow for the ownership of private property, so yeah...
1. And that is complete and total bullshit. Boht Fascism and Totalitarianism derive from Authoritarianism, which is a far-right leaning ideology, meanwhile Socialism is more of a left leaning ideology. Seems like to two are complete opposites actually.

So, are you gonna come up with a decent argument, or continue wasting my time?

Far Right? Socialism, Fascism, Totalitarianism, and communism, control the economy while "far right" focus on capitalism which is like say, "FUCK CONTROL!!!"

How do you get this baffling idea that Fascism and Totalitarianism is Far Right?

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Postby Seangoli » Tue Sep 19, 2017 7:59 pm

Holy Tedalonia wrote:
New haven america wrote:2B. In your own presented definition, the state isn't even mentioned. How can the state own shit when it doesn't even get mentioned?
4. In a communist society there would even be a state, sovereign or otherwise
5. Which ones? State socialism, reform socialism, revolutionary socialism, state socialism, libertarian socialism, democratic socialism, social democracy, etc...?
6. False. In totalitarianism in state owns everything, in socialism the community holds control of the means of production. Two completely different things, yet you seem to not be able to understand this
7. And most if not all allow for the ownership of private property, so yeah...
1. And that is complete and total bullshit. Boht Fascism and Totalitarianism derive from Authoritarianism, which is a far-right leaning ideology, meanwhile Socialism is more of a left leaning ideology. Seems like to two are complete opposites actually.

So, are you gonna come up with a decent argument, or continue wasting my time?

Far Right? Socialism, Fascism, Totalitarianism, and communism, control the economy while "far right" focus on capitalism which is like say, "FUCK CONTROL!!!"

How do you get this baffling idea that Fascism and Totalitarianism is Far Right?

:rofl:


Fascism is more akin to radical centrism than it is left-wing. It is an admixture of leftist economic policies coupled with hard right wing conservativism and nationalism. Equally, it often rejects many of the central tennets of both at the same time. It's really its own thing, which is why people have such a hard time pinning it.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Tue Sep 19, 2017 7:59 pm

Holy Tedalonia wrote:
New haven america wrote:2B. In your own presented definition, the state isn't even mentioned. How can the state own shit when it doesn't even get mentioned?
4. In a communist society there would even be a state, sovereign or otherwise
5. Which ones? State socialism, reform socialism, revolutionary socialism, state socialism, libertarian socialism, democratic socialism, social democracy, etc...?
6. False. In totalitarianism in state owns everything, in socialism the community holds control of the means of production. Two completely different things, yet you seem to not be able to understand this
7. And most if not all allow for the ownership of private property, so yeah...
1. And that is complete and total bullshit. Boht Fascism and Totalitarianism derive from Authoritarianism, which is a far-right leaning ideology, meanwhile Socialism is more of a left leaning ideology. Seems like to two are complete opposites actually.

So, are you gonna come up with a decent argument, or continue wasting my time?

Far Right? Socialism, Fascism, Totalitarianism, and communism, control the economy while "far right" focus on capitalism which is like say, "FUCK CONTROL!!!"

How do you get this baffling idea that Fascism and Totalitarianism is Far Right?

:rofl:



You don't think that fascism is far right?

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Postby Genivaria » Tue Sep 19, 2017 8:01 pm

Seangoli wrote:
Holy Tedalonia wrote:Far Right? Socialism, Fascism, Totalitarianism, and communism, control the economy while "far right" focus on capitalism which is like say, "FUCK CONTROL!!!"

How do you get this baffling idea that Fascism and Totalitarianism is Far Right?

:rofl:


Fascism is more akin to radical centrism than it is left-wing. It is an admixture of hard leftist economic policies coupled with right wing conservativism and nationalism.

It's questionable that fascism has 'hard left economics' since they don't use a planned economy.

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue Sep 19, 2017 8:03 pm

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Ism wrote:
You're just jealous of the majestic Maple Leaf ya hoser.


I'm just saying, its a little too red if you get me.

Time to start calling it freedom bacon.
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