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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Tue Sep 19, 2017 12:12 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Holy Tedalonia wrote:Honestly universal healthcare, free healthcare, etc, don't matter since people can always find a way to get the healthcare they desire, but my point is that the government must align with the culture/society or it will suffer gravely.

And I'm saying as a cultural nationalist that no, that doesn't need to happen 100% of the time. The government exists to protect its people, that includes providing adequate healthcare and other services.

If a country won't uphold its people's ideals it will fall.

This is why having a liberal government will never work in a conservative country for example.

Besides people die all the time, and also you ignored my state of, "people can always find a way to get the healthcare they desire"
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Sep 19, 2017 12:19 pm

Holy Tedalonia wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:And I'm saying as a cultural nationalist that no, that doesn't need to happen 100% of the time. The government exists to protect its people, that includes providing adequate healthcare and other services.

If a country won't uphold its people's ideals it will fall.

This is why having a liberal government will never work in a conservative country for example.

Besides people die all the time, and also you ignored my state of, "people can always find a way to get the healthcare they desire"

I didn't ignore it. That's not good enough for me the state needs to protect its people and just saying if you want healthcare go get it and we don't give a sht if you die, is not right. The government has failed in its primary mission to protect its people
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Postby Corrian » Tue Sep 19, 2017 12:19 pm

Donald Trump Jr. Gives Up Secret Service Protection, Seeking Privacy

Also apparently Conway did as well.

Seems...odd.
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Postby Ism » Tue Sep 19, 2017 12:20 pm

Holy Tedalonia wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:And I'm saying as a cultural nationalist that no, that doesn't need to happen 100% of the time. The government exists to protect its people, that includes providing adequate healthcare and other services.

If a country won't uphold its people's ideals it will fall.

This is why having a liberal government will never work in a conservative country for example.

Besides people die all the time, and also you ignored my state of, "people can always find a way to get the healthcare they desire"


So, your arguement is that:
1. People will die anyway, so why help them?
2. People can get healthcare they can't afford, somehow, as long as they really want it.

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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Tue Sep 19, 2017 12:22 pm

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The Empire of Pretantia wrote:Shit that never happened


https://www.buzzfeed.com/davidmack/trump-got-some-fairly-awkward-silence-unga?bftw&utm_term=.qmmR4zelM#.it1e7xnGb

It's not like we have video of exactly that happening.

Where are these successful socialist nations?
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Postby Valrifell » Tue Sep 19, 2017 12:24 pm

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:

Where are these successful socialist nations?


Whoa there, there are no examples of completely socialist countries out on the block anymore (or any worth noting, really), but nations with socialistic aspects heavier than that of the US include much or all of Europe, and a lot of Asian nations as well.
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Sep 19, 2017 12:28 pm

Valrifell wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:Where are these successful socialist nations?


Whoa there, there are no examples of completely socialist countries out on the block anymore (or any worth noting, really), but nations with socialistic aspects heavier than that of the US include much or all of Europe, and a lot of Asian nations as well.

What about Vietnam?
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Tue Sep 19, 2017 12:29 pm

Valrifell wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:Where are these successful socialist nations?


Whoa there, there are no examples of completely socialist countries out on the block anymore (or any worth noting, really), but nations with socialistic aspects heavier than that of the US include much or all of Europe, and a lot of Asian nations as well.

It's not okay to call policies socialist if you're conservative, but it's okay to call them Socialist if you're trying to disprove Trump.
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Postby Proctopeo » Tue Sep 19, 2017 12:33 pm

Senkaku wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Universal healthcare is not socialism

Please see the above

"And here we see the silly doublethink that results from mixing uninformed anti-communism and a liberal political philosophy"

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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Tue Sep 19, 2017 12:35 pm

Ism wrote:
Holy Tedalonia wrote:If a country won't uphold its people's ideals it will fall.

This is why having a liberal government will never work in a conservative country for example.

Besides people die all the time, and also you ignored my state of, "people can always find a way to get the healthcare they desire"


So, your arguement is that:
1. People will die anyway, so why help them?
2. People can get healthcare they can't afford, somehow, as long as they really want it.

What I'm saying is they have their choices. If they want to be conservative anti-healthcare culture fine. It's their problem, but don't enforce policies that work against that culture. It causes much discontent and might cause an event like the Spanish civil war which sides pushed their tolerance to the very brink and it exploded into a war.
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Holy Tedalonia wrote:If a country won't uphold its people's ideals it will fall.

This is why having a liberal government will never work in a conservative country for example.

Besides people die all the time, and also you ignored my state of, "people can always find a way to get the healthcare they desire"

I didn't ignore it. That's not good enough for me the state needs to protect its people and just saying if you want healthcare go get it and we don't give a sht if you die, is not right. The government has failed in its primary mission to protect its people

are you implying that the government manage how much grams of sugar you intake and prevent you from having to much. How much do you want the government to hold your hand? As I said you can't have a government against the people if you have that you'll have more to worry about then sugar intake
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Sep 19, 2017 12:36 pm

Holy Tedalonia wrote:
Ism wrote:
So, your arguement is that:
1. People will die anyway, so why help them?
2. People can get healthcare they can't afford, somehow, as long as they really want it.

What I'm saying is they have their choices. If they want to be conservative anti-healthcare culture fine. It's their problem, but don't enforce policies that work against that culture. It causes much discontent and might cause an event like the Spanish civil war which sides pushed their tolerance to the very brink and it exploded into a war.
Thermodolia wrote:I didn't ignore it. That's not good enough for me the state needs to protect its people and just saying if you want healthcare go get it and we don't give a sht if you die, is not right. The government has failed in its primary mission to protect its people

are you implying that the government manage how much grams of sugar you intake and prevent you from having to much. How much do you want the government to hold your hand? As I said you can't have a government against the people if you have that you'll have more to worry about then sugar intake

That's a metric fuck ton of straw ya got there
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Postby Corrian » Tue Sep 19, 2017 12:40 pm

What are the opinions on the Donald Trump Jr thing? Seems more related.
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Sep 19, 2017 12:41 pm

Corrian wrote:What are the opinions on the Donald Trump Jr thing? Seems more related.

It's interesting to say the least. I guess he doesn't want to be easily arrested by his own protection
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Postby Steffan » Tue Sep 19, 2017 12:47 pm

Corrian wrote:What are the opinions on the Donald Trump Jr thing? Seems more related.

Probably because too much of his dirty laundry is at risk and he wants to isolate himself.
Conway? Probably because the USSS was like "We can't stand this lady." :D
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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Tue Sep 19, 2017 12:49 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Holy Tedalonia wrote:What I'm saying is they have their choices. If they want to be conservative anti-healthcare culture fine. It's their problem, but don't enforce policies that work against that culture. It causes much discontent and might cause an event like the Spanish civil war which sides pushed their tolerance to the very brink and it exploded into a war.
are you implying that the government manage how much grams of sugar you intake and prevent you from having to much. How much do you want the government to hold your hand? As I said you can't have a government against the people if you have that you'll have more to worry about then sugar intake

That's a metric fuck ton of straw ya got there

Didn't get the joke.
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Sep 19, 2017 12:50 pm

Holy Tedalonia wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:That's a metric fuck ton of straw ya got there

Didn't get the joke.

You should probably build some strawmen with all that straw
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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Tue Sep 19, 2017 12:53 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Holy Tedalonia wrote:Didn't get the joke.

You should probably build some strawmen with all that straw

Sorry, I don't understand what your implying. Are you insulting me?
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Postby Corrian » Tue Sep 19, 2017 12:58 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Corrian wrote:What are the opinions on the Donald Trump Jr thing? Seems more related.

It's interesting to say the least. I guess he doesn't want to be easily arrested by his own protection

Definitely seems suspicious to literally ditch your Secret Service protection.
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Postby Uxupox » Tue Sep 19, 2017 1:00 pm

Corrian wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:It's interesting to say the least. I guess he doesn't want to be easily arrested by his own protection

Definitely seems suspicious to literally ditch your Secret Service protection.


maybe the kid wants to masturbate in peace idk.
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Postby Steffan » Tue Sep 19, 2017 1:00 pm

Corrian wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:It's interesting to say the least. I guess he doesn't want to be easily arrested by his own protection

Definitely seems suspicious to literally ditch your Secret Service protection.

I also heard that the USSS just can't pay to protect all the Trumps anymore. Thank Mar-a-Lago Donnie for that
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Postby Ism » Tue Sep 19, 2017 1:11 pm

Holy Tedalonia wrote:
Ism wrote:
So, your arguement is that:
1. People will die anyway, so why help them?
2. People can get healthcare they can't afford, somehow, as long as they really want it.

What I'm saying is they have their choices. If they want to be conservative anti-healthcare culture fine. It's their problem, but don't enforce policies that work against that culture. It causes much discontent and might cause an event like the Spanish civil war which sides pushed their tolerance to the very brink and it exploded into a war.


Cultures are not static, and those that seek to be will become maladaptive due to the dynamic nature of the world. Therefore, cultures that become maladaptive must alter their practices to remove those practices which are unsuited to the current conditions said culture faces.
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Postby MERIZoC » Tue Sep 19, 2017 1:17 pm

Corrian wrote:Donald Trump Jr. Gives Up Secret Service Protection, Seeking Privacy

Also apparently Conway did as well.

Seems...odd.

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Postby The Flutterlands » Tue Sep 19, 2017 1:22 pm

Holy Tedalonia wrote:
Ism wrote:
So, your arguement is that:
1. People will die anyway, so why help them?
2. People can get healthcare they can't afford, somehow, as long as they really want it.

What I'm saying is they have their choices. If they want to be conservative anti-healthcare culture fine. It's their problem, but don't enforce policies that work against that culture. It causes much discontent and might cause an event like the Spanish civil war which sides pushed their tolerance to the very brink and it exploded into a war.[

Maybe I don't give a shit about the Conservative Culture as many Conservative ideas, like Healthcare being a privilege rather than what truly is, a God given right, had proven to be more bad than good? I want healthcare to be adequate and affordable to everyone and there is no debate around it, because I want my own healthcare to be adequate and affordable.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Tue Sep 19, 2017 2:45 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Whoa there, there are no examples of completely socialist countries out on the block anymore (or any worth noting, really), but nations with socialistic aspects heavier than that of the US include much or all of Europe, and a lot of Asian nations as well.

What about Vietnam?

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