Trump MAGAthread IX: Korea, The Dreamers and Trump

[Holy Tedalonia]

Wasn't there country anymore. They left and legally too. As far as history is concerned they were protecting their country, but of course since it's a small lived country they don't get that type of recognition, do they?

Not legally, mind. Illegally. If it wasn't their country anymore, I guess they had no right to citizenship afterwards?

Easy, political diplomacy. It's more effective to treat the South as rebels rather the successionists who used legal means to leave the US. There's a reason why we changed the "succeed from the union" rule and that's because even though it was completely legal for the South, succession sucks a lot. Now I'm not for succession, but I recognize the Confedaracy as a nation, since they legally and diplomatically left, and that's a incredibly rare factor when it comes to independence.

Fair point, but some regions in places like Texas treat the statues as men who fought for states rights, and it's also reinforced by the school. Removing statues in places like that would have a sizable opposition.

Well, some white populations. Still, that is historical revisionism, one with which minorities generally don't agree.

Well, yes and no. Texas is a weird place where minority opinion is not absolute, they're minorities I know that see it as a war for state rights, now that doesn't mean they agree with the confederacy's opinions.

[Ifreann]

As PWA said, "It is also telling that most of the statues coming down were erected decades after the civil war, conveniently around the same time as the birth of the 20th century KKK". Those statues don't have shit to do with "history" and everything to do with "those uppity blacks don't know their place, let's put up very public and highly visible statues of people that tore apart the country for the right to own them".

We made them in the past, so it's part of our history.
Historians preserve outdated coins, why can't they preserve statues? Why must we destroy works of our history, because their creators were racist? We preserve greek statues, and Roman statues why can't we keep civil war statues? Are you trying to destroy the past? Or perhaps you want to "clean the slate" like the soviets did and remove many artefacts and works, because the "opposed the regime".

My socks were made in the past. Should historians preserve my socks for all time?

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Can we get back to Trump related things now? <.<

[Farnhamia]

Can we get back to Trump related things now? <.<

An excellent idea.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Not legally, mind. Illegally. If it wasn't their country anymore, I guess they had no right to citizenship afterwards?

Easy, political diplomacy. It's more effective to treat the South as rebels rather the successionists who used legal means to leave the US. There's a reason why we changed the "succeed from the union" rule and that's because even though it was completely legal for the South, succession sucks a lot. Now I'm not for succession, but I recognize the Confedaracy as a nation, since they legally and diplomatically left, and that's a incredibly rare factor when it comes to independence.

Well, some white populations. Still, that is historical revisionism, one with which minorities generally don't agree.

Well, yes and no. Texas is a weird place where minority opinion is not absolute, they're minorities I know that see it as a war for state rights, now that doesn't mean they agree with the confederacy's opinions.

The Supreme Court ruled the seccession unconstitutional, making it illegal. Really simple stuff.

And to your second point: a state's rights to what, sir?

[Fartsniffage]

Can we get back to Trump related things now? <.<

An excellent idea.

Has he done anything silly today?

[Vassenor]

Aside from the blatant corruption involved with the Puerto Rico power grid reconstruction?

Or his attempts to drag drug policy back to the 80s?

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Whoops, my bad. Getting back on track!

And now for somethng completely false: https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTr ... 0291522560

[Holy Tedalonia]

We made them in the past, so it's part of our history.
Historians preserve outdated coins, why can't they preserve statues? Why must we destroy works of our history, because their creators were racist? We preserve greek statues, and Roman statues why can't we keep civil war statues? Are you trying to destroy the past? Or perhaps you want to "clean the slate" like the soviets did and remove many artefacts and works, because the "opposed the regime".

My socks were made in the past. Should historians preserve my socks for all time?

Depends on how old the socks. I mean they preserve stupid stuff like knives, glasses, watches, and coins. They also preserve cloths. Really historians will preserve absolutly anything or atleast recreate it. The same will likely happen to Donald Trumps wig, they'll likely preserve that.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Aside from the blatant corruption involved with the Puerto Rico power grid reconstruction?

Or his attempts to drag drug policy back to the 80s?

Wow, that is a lot to do wrong in a month.

*Whisper whisper*

What do you mean, a week?

[Dumb Ideologies]

My socks were made in the past. Should historians preserve my socks for all time?

Depends on how old the socks. I mean they preserve stupid stuff like knives, glasses, watches, and coins. They also preserve cloths. Really historians will preserve absolutly anything or atleast recreate it. The same will likely happen to Donald Trumps wig, they'll likely preserve that.

And let me tell you, that museum is going to have the greatest exhibition of all time. It's going to be very beautiful.

[Vassenor]

...Because we needed more proof that he's an incoherent mess, here's a transcribed excerpt from an interview.

The phrase "rambly as heck" springs to mind.

[Seangoli]

As PWA said, "It is also telling that most of the statues coming down were erected decades after the civil war, conveniently around the same time as the birth of the 20th century KKK". Those statues don't have shit to do with "history" and everything to do with "those uppity blacks don't know their place, let's put up very public and highly visible statues of people that tore apart the country for the right to own them".

We made them in the past, so it's part of our history.
Historians preserve outdated coins, why can't they preserve statues? Why must we destroy works of our history, because their creators were racist? We preserve greek statues, and Roman statues why can't we keep civil war statues? Are you trying to destroy the past? Or perhaps you want to "clean the slate" like the soviets did and remove many artefacts and works, because the "opposed the regime".

The people depicting in the statues are not tangentially racists. They are known specifically gor being racist twits, and the entire reason they are remembered at all is for levying war against the United States specifically for the right to force slavery onto others. Germans didnt keep monuments to the Nazis, Iraq doesmt keep monuments to Sadaam. Just because it is our history does not mean we should fucking celebrate it, which is the entire damn point of a statue.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

...Because we needed more proof that he's an incoherent mess, here's a transcribed excerpt from an interview.

The phrase "rambly as heck" springs to mind.

Allow me to post an Obama speech to remind of better times: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bSLQSDFVK-8

[Seangoli]

My socks were made in the past. Should historians preserve my socks for all time?

Depends on how old the socks. I mean they preserve stupid stuff like knives, glasses, watches, and coins. They also preserve cloths. Really historians will preserve absolutly anything or atleast recreate it. The same will likely happen to Donald Trumps wig, they'll likely preserve that.

As an archaeologist, I have to say that is a massive oversimplification of what we preserve. Equally, there actually is a large degree of difference between the actual items used and monuments that are only tangentially related to the actual historical eventa they represent. The former is actually useful for understanding the historic events amd context of a historical event. The latter is not representative of the actual history itself, but rather the narratives involved qith the history.

In other words, these statues have nothing to do with the history of the Civil War, but rather the post-reconstructiin era narratives about the Civil War.

[Collatis]

...Because we needed more proof that he's an incoherent mess, here's a transcribed excerpt from an interview.

The phrase "rambly as heck" springs to mind.

Allow me to post an Obama speech to remind of better times: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bSLQSDFVK-8

The greatest orator of our generation.

[The Black Forrest]

Why must we destroy works of our history, because their creators were racist?

Why do you want to celibrate slavery?

We preserve greek statues, and Roman statues why can't we keep civil war statues?

Good point. We should bury all Confederate status for 1500 years and then dig them up for historical purposes.

[Ifreann]

Why do you want to celibrate slavery?

Good point. We should bury all Confederate status for 1500 years and then dig them up for historical purposes.

Is 1,500 years really enough? Wait 10,000 and they'll be mad historical.

[Tekeristan]

Good point. We should bury all Confederate status for 1500 years and then dig them up for historical purposes.

Is 1,500 years really enough? Wait 10,000 and they'll be mad historical.

I put all my investment into beanie babies and I'll bury them for 100,00 years. My ancestors can pawn them!

[Sernarbia]

Just your daily reminder that Trump is an awful, awful person.

https://mic.com/articles/185432/how-tru ... .eGkbEZUHx

[Fartsniffage]

Just your daily reminder that Trump is an awful, awful person.

https://mic.com/articles/185432/how-tru ... .eGkbEZUHx

Wouldn't want any of the pussy-grabbed getting support, now would he?

[Luminesa]

As PWA said, "It is also telling that most of the statues coming down were erected decades after the civil war, conveniently around the same time as the birth of the 20th century KKK". Those statues don't have shit to do with "history" and everything to do with "those uppity blacks don't know their place, let's put up very public and highly visible statues of people that tore apart the country for the right to own them".

We made them in the past, so it's part of our history.
Historians preserve outdated coins, why can't they preserve statues? Why must we destroy works of our history, because their creators were racist? We preserve greek statues, and Roman statues why can't we keep civil war statues? Are you trying to destroy the past? Or perhaps you want to "clean the slate" like the soviets did and remove many artefacts and works, because the "opposed the regime".

It should be noted that a lot of the Roman generals whose statues were preserved had slaves and had no problems themselves with slavery.

[Ifreann]

Just your daily reminder that Trump is an awful, awful person.

https://mic.com/articles/185432/how-tru ... .eGkbEZUHx

Wouldn't want any of the pussy-grabbed getting support, now would he?

His long, beautiful fingers are all the support a grabbed pussy needs.

[Petrasylvania]

Just your daily reminder that Trump is an awful, awful person.

https://mic.com/articles/185432/how-tru ... .eGkbEZUHx

If he can't grab women physically he'll do it through executive orders. Speaking of which, wonder how many he's signed now compared to Obama?

[Conserative Morality]

It should be noted that a lot of the Roman generals whose statues were preserved had slaves and had no problems themselves with slavery.

It must also be noted that Roman slavery, while brutal, was a very different institution from the strange ideological institution of American slavery, and that such statues were not erected by the same peoples who would currently be tearing them down.