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Postby Fartsniffage » Mon Oct 30, 2017 10:13 am

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Camicon wrote:Not "all republicans", just "all Republican party members and anyone that stands in the way of the glorious revolution!", silly Ctoan.

I dont ever mean that we should kill them. The least we could do is throw them all out, Democrats and Republicans alike, and set up a new Congress...


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Postby The Flutterlands » Mon Oct 30, 2017 10:13 am

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The Flutterlands wrote:Why are people calling the alleged Russian hacking an "attack" on democracy? How does one "attack" democracy except by physically changing the vote? You cant "attack" democracy any other way.

I find it strange you dismiss the Rusdian meddling despite how it played a part in helping the Republicans take control of the government so thry can kill you by cutting off Medicare, Social Security and whatever else doesn't provide tax breaks for the wealthy.

Because the way they are pushing the Russian meddling absolves Democrats of their shitfulness as well. That is unacceptable.
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Postby Jerzylvania » Mon Oct 30, 2017 10:14 am

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And the Presdeint's official response is essentially "But her Emails".


I can't imagine how much faster Watergate would have happened if the Special Prosecutors could have tracked those CREEP financial records electronically.

Trump's 2 oldest sons and Jared could be in Manafort's shoes (or cuffs) before long. I think the GOP congress will not act on POTUS removal as it increasingly finds itself seized with paralysis from the coming 2018 election cycle. This crying about Hillary ain't gonna fly outside their hardcore base of 30% either.

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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Mon Oct 30, 2017 10:14 am


You know what this looks like? This looks like Donald's attempt on damage control.
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Postby The Flutterlands » Mon Oct 30, 2017 10:15 am

Fartsniffage wrote:
The Flutterlands wrote:I dont ever mean that we should kill them. The least we could do is throw them all out, Democrats and Republicans alike, and set up a new Congress...


With blackjack and hookers?

Maybe... If we do overthrow the Government we still have a guide of setting up a new one, called the U.S Constitution.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Oct 30, 2017 10:15 am

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Vassenor wrote:
So voter suppression isn't an attack on democracy? Disenfranchisement isn't an attack on democracy?

Voter suppression, gerrymandering and closed primaries are an insult to democracy as well. Both parties are a threat to democracy with the way they play.

So basically, it's only an attack on democracy when Republicans do it.

Cool.
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Postby Petrasylvania » Mon Oct 30, 2017 10:16 am

The Flutterlands wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:I find it strange you dismiss the Rusdian meddling despite how it played a part in helping the Republicans take control of the government so thry can kill you by cutting off Medicare, Social Security and whatever else doesn't provide tax breaks for the wealthy.

Because the way they are pushing the Russian meddling absolves Democrats of their shitfulness as well. That is unacceptable.

Nobody cleared the Democrats of anything outside of your imagination. Right now they don't have the power to do anything anyways.
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Postby Post War America » Mon Oct 30, 2017 10:16 am

Jerzylvania wrote:
Post War America wrote:
And the Presdeint's official response is essentially "But her Emails".


I can't imagine how much faster Watergate would have happened if the Special Prosecutors could have tracked those CREEP financial records electronically.

Trump's 2 oldest sons and Jared could be in Manafort's shoes (or cuffs) before long. I think the GOP congress will not act on POTUS removal as it increasingly finds itself seized with paralysis from the coming 2018 election cycle. This crying about Hillary ain't gonna fly outside their hardcore base of 30% either.

What to do... what to do... what to do?


Not a whole lot, that 30% is more than capable of winning elections given that its the 30% of people who actually vote in this country.
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Postby Yasuragi » Mon Oct 30, 2017 10:17 am

The Flutterlands wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
With blackjack and hookers?

Maybe... If we do overthrow the Government we still have a guide of setting up a new one, called the U.S Constitution.


Why bother keeping the Constitution? You've already overthrown the legal government of the US in this hypothetical; it's clear you don't actually follow the Constitution.

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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Mon Oct 30, 2017 10:17 am

Also why is he churning out tweets every bloody hour? Doesn't Donald have a country to run?
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Postby Camicon » Mon Oct 30, 2017 10:18 am

The Flutterlands wrote:
Camicon wrote:Not "all republicans", just "all Republican party members and anyone that stands in the way of the glorious revolution!", silly Ctoan.

I dont ever mean that we should kill them. The least we could do is throw them all out, Democrats and Republicans alike, and set up a new Congress...

Most political revolutions are not bloodless, only one that comes to mind recently is Tunisia. And given America's culture there is no chance in hell of your proposed revolution being bloodless.
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Petrasylvania wrote:I find it strange you dismiss the Rusdian meddling despite how it played a part in helping the Republicans take control of the government so thry can kill you by cutting off Medicare, Social Security and whatever else doesn't provide tax breaks for the wealthy.

Because the way they are pushing the Russian meddling absolves Democrats of their shitfulness as well. That is unacceptable.

Yes, let's point fingers at the Democrats, who are so terrible at this game that they keep losing to Republicans, instead of focusing on the clear collusion between Trump's campaign and the goddamn Russian government. Because that makes sense. :roll:
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Postby The Flutterlands » Mon Oct 30, 2017 10:19 am

Ifreann wrote:
The Flutterlands wrote:Voter suppression, gerrymandering and closed primaries are an insult to democracy as well. Both parties are a threat to democracy with the way they play.

So basically, it's only an attack on democracy when Republicans do it.

Cool.

Or Democrats. Will never forget their attack on the Primaries. Basically made the whole thing a joke when they said that they can pick any nominee they wish regardless of the vote.
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Postby Jerzylvania » Mon Oct 30, 2017 10:19 am

The Flutterlands wrote:
Camicon wrote:Not "all republicans", just "all Republican party members and anyone that stands in the way of the glorious revolution!", silly Ctoan.

I dont ever mean that we should kill them. The least we could do is throw them all out, Democrats and Republicans alike, and set up a new Congress...

Therefore a curse on both their houses is shouted when any curse falls directly upon the GOP.
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Postby Post War America » Mon Oct 30, 2017 10:19 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Also why is he churning out tweets every bloody hour? Doesn't Donald have a country to run?


Wait tweeting isn't running the country? I thought those were the same thing.
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Postby Camicon » Mon Oct 30, 2017 10:22 am

The Flutterlands wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
With blackjack and hookers?

Maybe... If we do overthrow the Government we still have a guide of setting up a new one, called the U.S Constitution.

Violent revolution kind've paints the Constitution into the "isn't worth two shits" corner. That's the thing about violent revolution: pursuing it normalizes itself at the cost of delegitimizing the democratic process and it's constituent parts.
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Postby The Flutterlands » Mon Oct 30, 2017 10:22 am

Yasuragi wrote:
The Flutterlands wrote:Maybe... If we do overthrow the Government we still have a guide of setting up a new one, called the U.S Constitution.


Why bother keeping the Constitution? You've already overthrown the legal government of the US in this hypothetical; it's clear you don't actually follow the Constitution.

Because the Government no longer follows it ether.
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Postby Tarsonis » Mon Oct 30, 2017 10:23 am

Post War America wrote:
Vassenor wrote:AP is reporting that Trump's Transgender military ban has been blocked. Story is too new to have a working link.


I mean the Military is struggling for manpower as it is, why would they want to exclude people?


Firstly, they're not struggling for manpower, they're struggling under a manpower shortage. That's not the same thing. The size of the military is regulated by congress. Currently their size is not sufficient for the mission they've been tasked with.

Furthermore, there a thousand and 1, different reasons to be blocked from service and the a good portion of them are psychological. I myself had to get a waver signed off on by an independent psychiatrist simply because I had been perscribed an anti-depressant at one point in my life, even though I had been med free for over a year before I even applied. If she for any reason thought I would become danger to myself or others, I would have been boned.

The military operates in high stress environment, and that's not just combat. The psychological issues that generally come with Transgendered individuals alone is enough to preclude them from service, in an environment where people depend on the functional emotional stability of others around them to literally survive, as well as the mandated proficiency in firearms and the access to them that comes with certain MOSs.
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Postby Camicon » Mon Oct 30, 2017 10:24 am

The Flutterlands wrote:
Yasuragi wrote:
Why bother keeping the Constitution? You've already overthrown the legal government of the US in this hypothetical; it's clear you don't actually follow the Constitution.

Because the Government no longer follows it ether.

It's hilarious, in a sad kind of way, that you think it acceptable to destroy the Constitution in your attempt to protect parts of it from your political opponents.
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Postby Sovaal » Mon Oct 30, 2017 10:24 am

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The Flutterlands wrote:Maybe... If we do overthrow the Government we still have a guide of setting up a new one, called the U.S Constitution.


Why bother keeping the Constitution? You've already overthrown the legal government of the US in this hypothetical; it's clear you don't actually follow the Constitution.

Because generally in these theoretical situations it's the gov that's not following the Constitution.

Also good luck getting anything passed today.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Mon Oct 30, 2017 10:24 am

The Flutterlands wrote:
Yasuragi wrote:
Why bother keeping the Constitution? You've already overthrown the legal government of the US in this hypothetical; it's clear you don't actually follow the Constitution.

Because the Government no longer follows it ether.

Can you like... agitate for violent revolution somewhere else? It's not productive and it just gets people fed up with you.
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Postby Corrian » Mon Oct 30, 2017 10:25 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Also why is he churning out tweets every bloody hour? Doesn't Donald have a country to run?

He was quiet for a while.

Then Monday came.
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Postby Jerzylvania » Mon Oct 30, 2017 10:26 am

Post War America wrote:
Jerzylvania wrote:
I can't imagine how much faster Watergate would have happened if the Special Prosecutors could have tracked those CREEP financial records electronically.

Trump's 2 oldest sons and Jared could be in Manafort's shoes (or cuffs) before long. I think the GOP congress will not act on POTUS removal as it increasingly finds itself seized with paralysis from the coming 2018 election cycle. This crying about Hillary ain't gonna fly outside their hardcore base of 30% either.

What to do... what to do... what to do?


Not a whole lot, that 30% is more than capable of winning elections given that its the 30% of people who actually vote in this country.


Under normal conditions I'd agree, but you'd better not count on that now.
These are far from normal conditions, and there will be a sizeable increase in turnout for the midterms of angry voters in reaction.
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Postby Republic of Keshiland » Mon Oct 30, 2017 10:29 am

Ex-Trump Adviser George Papadopoulos Pleads Guilty in Mueller’s Russia Probe

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Postby Vassenor » Mon Oct 30, 2017 10:31 am

Republic of Keshiland wrote:A trump associate just pleaded guilty!

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/tr ... ng-n815596


>three weeks ago

Not really "just pleaded guilty".
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Mon Oct 30, 2017 10:32 am

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Republic of Keshiland wrote:A trump associate just pleaded guilty!

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/tr ... ng-n815596


>three weeks ago

Not really "just pleaded guilty".

It's going to be fun seeing what comes this Christmas.
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