Trump MAGAthread IX: Korea, The Dreamers and Trump

[Vassenor]

Yeah, that pretty much seals the collusion question.

Not really they actually have to have solid proof the Russians helped trump win that statement you quoted doesn't say who is talking plus who knows it could have been made up by someone who has something against trump.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/22922/breaking-former-trump-foreign-policy-advisor-cuts-ben-shapiro

[Seangoli]

Yeah, that pretty much seals the collusion question.

Not really they actually have to have solid proof the Russians helped trump win that statement you quoted doesn't say who is talking plus who knows it could have been made up by someone who has something against trump.

It is from Papadopolous, an actual advisor on the Trump campaign, and it appears they have hard emails from him talking about it. These are also statements of fact in court filings, which is a whole lot less than a rumor.


At best, the argument is that Trump himself did not know about it. Which would be a pretty big oversight given that it appears that Papadopolous seems to have had prolonged contact with actual Russian agents who fully believed Papadopolous was operating on Trump's behalf, as well as Papadopolous believing the same. Also seems to indicate that Trump did, in fact, know about this as it seems they were uncertain if he would make a trip out there. And none of this is at all surprising when you realize Trump has a lot of business contacts with Russian oligarchs.

The hard part now isn't the collusion, which isnt necessarily illegal. Rather, it is finding out what the nature of said collusion was. If it was just Russians wanting to dick over Clinton, and offering help to Trump, then there really isnt much that can legally be done. Possibly some minor jnfractions dealing with proceedure and not publicly disclosing interactions.


If, on the other hand, he promised favorable policy to Russian interests in exchange for help, we enter into serious crimes territory. Then you enter conspiracy tondefraud the United States territory, or knowing Trump amd who he works with, money laundering. Say, Trump offers to settle a federal case against a Russian bank which would allow said bank to continue operating in the US even though they laundered $200 million amd had a whistle blower imprisoned and killed. Evem though the case was considered air tight, amd everyone was surprised to see it settled. And the lawyer whom represented said bank is the same lawyer whom met with your son secretly, supposedly to discuss collusion. Which, coincidentally, happened in May. If said settlement is part ofna deal with Russian interests innexchamge for help, then you have conspiracy to defraud the United States.


But hey. Nothing untoward going on at all.

[Ifreann]

Not really they actually have to have solid proof the Russians helped trump win that statement you quoted doesn't say who is talking plus who knows it could have been made up by someone who has something against trump.

It is from Papadopolous, an actual advisor on the Trump campaign, and it appears they have hard emails from him talking about it. These are also statements of fact in court filings, which is a whole lot less than a rumor.


At best, the argument is that Trump himself did not know about it. Which would be a pretty big oversight given that it appears that Papadopolous seems to have had prolonged contact with actual Russian agents who fully believed Papadopolous was operating on Trump's behalf, as well as Papadopolous believing the same. Also seems to indicate that Trump did, in fact, know about this as it seems they were uncertain if he would make a trip out there. And none of this is at all surprising when you realize Trump has a lot of business contacts with Russian oligarchs.

The hard part now isn't the collusion, which isnt necessarily illegal. Rather, it is finding out what the nature of said collusion was. If it was just Russians wanting to dick over Clinton, and offering help to Trump, then there really isnt much that can legally be done. Possibly some minor jnfractions dealing with proceedure and not publicly disclosing interactions.


If, on the other hand, he promised favorable policy to Russian interests in exchange for help, we enter into serious crimes territory. Then you enter conspiracy tondefraud the United States territory, or knowing Trump amd who he works with, money laundering. Say, Trump offers to settle a federal case against a Russian bank which would allow said bank to continue operating in the US even though they laundered $200 million amd had a whistle blower imprisoned and killed. Evem though the case was considered air tight, amd everyone was surprised to see it settled. And the lawyer whom represented said bank is the same lawyer whom met with your son secretly, supposedly to discuss collusion. Which, coincidentally, happened in May. If said settlement is part ofna deal with Russian interests innexchamge for help, then you have conspiracy to defraud the United States.


But hey. Nothing untoward going on at all.

Clearly people should be focusing on Clinton.

[Corrian]

White House two days ago also reminded us that all the sexual assault claims against Trump are all lies

[Corrian]

Poor people with unfortunate names today

[Eibenland]

This is the beginning of the end for the Trump presidency. The first axe has fallen and there will likely be more coming.

[Petrasylvania]

White House two days ago also reminded us that all the sexual assault claims against Trump are all lies

It would be ironic if Sarah later claims Trump grabbed her.

[Collatis]

Plot twist: the person responsible for all of Trump's tweets is actually Mike Pence

Plot twist twist: The real Donald Trump suffered a catastrophic stroke the day after his inauguration when he was told that yes, he really was President of the United States. He's been replaced by ... well, I'm sure we'll be able to think of someone. Meanwhile, Michael Flynn has been writing the tweets, which is why he had to step down as national security adviser. Think the "Paul is dead" thing from years ago.

Sounds familiar...

[Post War America]

Well that seems pretty smoking gun right there.

And the Presdeint's official response is essentially "But her Emails".

[Vassenor]

AP is reporting that Trump's Transgender military ban has been blocked. Story is too new to have a working link.

[Post War America]

AP is reporting that Trump's Transgender military ban has been blocked. Story is too new to have a working link.

I mean the Military is struggling for manpower as it is, why would they want to exclude people?

[Vassenor]

AP is reporting that Trump's Transgender military ban has been blocked. Story is too new to have a working link.

I mean the Military is struggling for manpower as it is, why would they want to exclude people?

Because anything LGBT rights is bad, apparently.

[Fartsniffage]

I mean the Military is struggling for manpower as it is, why would they want to exclude people?

Because anything LGBT rights is bad, apparently.

But the UNIT!!!!!

[Petrasylvania]

AP is reporting that Trump's Transgender military ban has been blocked. Story is too new to have a working link.

I mean the Military is struggling for manpower as it is, why would they want to exclude people?

Because Trump wanted to rally the Trump Believers with "I am making sure our brave military men aren't surprise buttsecksed by those freak shemales."

[Post War America]

I mean the Military is struggling for manpower as it is, why would they want to exclude people?

Because anything LGBT rights is bad, apparently.

But logically speaking if you wanted to remove the influence "the gays" have on a culture, wouldn't it make practical sense to ship them off to die in foreign wars.

Also and much more seriously, wouldn't it be a good idea to accept damn near anybody who's got the right physical and mental qualifications to be a soldier if a military is lacking in manpower?

[The Flutterlands]

Why are people calling the alleged Russian hacking an "attack" on democracy? How does one "attack" democracy except by physically changing the vote? You cant "attack" democracy any other way.

[Vassenor]

Why are people calling the alleged Russian hacking An "attack" on democracy? How does one "attack" democracy except by physically changing the vote?

So voter suppression isn't an attack on democracy? Disenfranchisement isn't an attack on democracy?

[Post War America]

Why are people calling the alleged Russian hacking an "attack" on democracy? How does one "attack" democracy except by physically changing the vote? You cant "attack" democracy any other way.

Because the Russian hacking erodes faith in our democratic processes and legitimizes autocratic rulers who wish to "sweep away" the "corrupt" system.

[Fartsniffage]

Why are people calling the alleged Russian hacking an "attack" on democracy? How does one "attack" democracy except by physically changing the vote? You cant "attack" democracy any other way.

One undermines or changes the information the voters are using to make their decisions.

[Camicon]

Why are people calling the alleged Russian hacking an "attack" on democracy? How does one "attack" democracy except by physically changing the vote? You cant "attack" democracy any other way.

You aren't this silly, stop pretending you are.

[Cannot think of a name]

Why are people calling the alleged Russian hacking an "attack" on democracy? How does one "attack" democracy except by physically changing the vote? You cant "attack" democracy any other way.

Your inability to process rhetorical language puts your constant refrain of “let’s kill all republicans” in a disturbing light.

[The Flutterlands]

Why are people calling the alleged Russian hacking An "attack" on democracy? How does one "attack" democracy except by physically changing the vote?

So voter suppression isn't an attack on democracy? Disenfranchisement isn't an attack on democracy?

Voter suppression, gerrymandering and closed primaries are an insult to democracy as well. Both parties are a threat to democracy with the way they play.

[Camicon]

Why are people calling the alleged Russian hacking an "attack" on democracy? How does one "attack" democracy except by physically changing the vote? You cant "attack" democracy any other way.

Your inability to process rhetorical language puts your constant refrain of “let’s kill all republicans” in a disturbing light.

Not "all republicans", just "all Republican party members and anyone that stands in the way of the glorious revolution!", silly Ctoan.

[Petrasylvania]

Why are people calling the alleged Russian hacking an "attack" on democracy? How does one "attack" democracy except by physically changing the vote? You cant "attack" democracy any other way.

I find it strange you dismiss the Russian meddling despite how it played a part in helping the Republicans take control of the government so they can kill you by cutting off Medicare, Social Security and whatever else doesn't provide tax breaks for the wealthy.

[The Flutterlands]

Your inability to process rhetorical language puts your constant refrain of “let’s kill all republicans” in a disturbing light.

Not "all republicans", just "all Republican party members and anyone that stands in the way of the glorious revolution!", silly Ctoan.

I dont ever mean that we should kill them. The least we could do is throw them all out, Democrats and Republicans alike, and set up a new Congress...