Trump MAGAthread IX: Korea, The Dreamers and Trump

[MERIZoC]

So are Americans.

Nice attempt to change the subject of inquiry (governments v. individuals). But I guess governments are a bit of a spook to you, aren't they?

Yup

[AiliailiA]

>> literally funding anti-EU movements and parties
>> not trying to have the EU crumble

Okay, have fun with that denial.

So are Americans. Is there an American plot to crush the EU?

No, it's people funding other people they like.

And government (Russian or American) should just leave that alone, you think?

Or is there some distinction between funding legal activities of "other people" and funding illegal activities ...

[Ism]

They're not trying to actually get states to secede, it's part of a larger campaign to cause as much tension and division in the west as possible. The more divided the west is, the better able Russia is to expand it's influence.

And I should care about Russian influence because...? Lilke they're certainly failing to influence America considering how Trump is acting...

Because they're trying to sow discontent and raise tensions in the West, in the hopes of dividing us and capitalizing on our division to revive their imperial ambitions and relive their glory days. You should care because they're undermining our political systems in the hopes of destabilizing our political systems and radicalizing the populace, which ideally would lead to greater division and tension and conclude with the fracturing of the West. This is why whether or not Trump is Putin's lap dog is irrelevant, simply by being himself he causes increased tension and political polarization, as well as hurting US credibility and straining our foreign relations. And if none of that works, the Russians are more apt to throw weight behind right-wing nationalists, which from what I've seen are not your cup of tea. So, you have a vested interest, if only politically, for keeping Russia from meddling in our politics.

[Corrian]

So we apparently have Nuclear Bombers on 24-hour alert for the first time since the Cold War.

[Maineiacs]

So we apparently have Nuclear Bombers on 24-hour alert for the first time since the Cold War.

Please tell me you got that from The Onion.

[Ism]

So we apparently have Nuclear Bombers on 24-hour alert for the first time since the Cold War.

Please tell me you got that from The Onion.

'Fraid not.

My favorite bit is this: "Goldfein noted that in a world where 'we’ve got folks that are talking openly about use of nuclear weapons,' it’s important to remain alert and think of new ways to be prepared." Coming from the Trump administration, this is just a little funny to me.

[AiliailiA]

Never mind. It's more a "neither deny nor confirm" statement, 24-hour alert not being taken off the table.

Damn stupid waste of money if they did it though

[Petrasylvania]

So we apparently have Nuclear Bombers on 24-hour alert for the first time since the Cold War.

Wonder if all the people who chanted the Clinton Is Going To Start World War 3 mantra feel any unease? Probably rationalizing this to themselves more likely.

[NeoOasis]

So we apparently have Nuclear Bombers on 24-hour alert for the first time since the Cold War.

Wonder if all the people who chanted the Clinton Is Going To Start World War 3 mantra feel any unease? Probably rationalizing this to themselves more likely.

That's an easy one. Trump is dealing with the inactions of former presidents. He's defending our democracy and stuff. Clinton would have just thrown a dart at a map and pressed the big red button.

That's my take on this anyway...

Also I feel distinctly uneasy over any president or candidate who talked about war as casually as most did during the election cycle last year.

[Senkaku]

So we apparently have Nuclear Bombers on 24-hour alert for the first time since the Cold War.

...isn't having them on 24-hour alert kinda standard? Before this did they get to go home and chill for a few hours every day, and we were just like "well hope the Russkies don't try and smack us tonight"? That seems kinda sketch.

Jeez, it'd be like a modern version of Ra or Huitzilopotchli's nightly voyage through the underworld or whatever.

[Lady Scylla]

So we apparently have Nuclear Bombers on 24-hour alert for the first time since the Cold War.

...isn't having them on 24-hour alert kinda standard? Before this did they get to go home and chill for a few hours every day, and we were just like "well hope the Russkies don't try and smack us tonight"? That seems kinda sketch.

Jeez, it'd be like a modern version of Ra or Huitzilopotchli's nightly voyage through the underworld or whatever.

No. Even our airforce isn't on a 15-minute standby beyond DEFCON 3. It'd be more accurate to say that not everything remains on a ready alert. It costs tons more money to keep things in such a status (example, we don't field our entire stockpile of warheads).

[Salandriagado]

Why?

The EU is little more than a German-run bureaucracy that has outlived its purpose. It's an embodiment of collectivism nowadays.

No it isn't. You can tell by how all the actual collectivists hate it. It's a blatantly neoliberal organisation.

[Polvatsiya]

The EU is little more than a German-run bureaucracy that has outlived its purpose. It's an embodiment of collectivism nowadays.

No it isn't. You can tell by how all the actual collectivists hate it. It's a blatantly neoliberal organisation.

So it's cancer then?

[The Flutterlands]

And I should care about Russian influence because...? Lilke they're certainly failing to influence America considering how Trump is acting...

Because they're trying to sow discontent and raise tensions in the West, in the hopes of dividing us and capitalizing on our division to revive their imperial ambitions and relive their glory days. You should care because they're undermining our political systems in the hopes of destabilizing our political systems and radicalizing the populace, which ideally would lead to greater division and tension and conclude with the fracturing of the West. This is why whether or not Trump is Putin's lap dog is irrelevant, simply by being himself he causes increased tension and political polarization, as well as hurting US credibility and straining our foreign relations. And if none of that works, the Russians are more apt to throw weight behind right-wing nationalists, which from what I've seen are not your cup of tea. So, you have a vested interest, if only politically, for keeping Russia from meddling in our politics.

How the fuck would raising tensions improve the state of Russia? How is Russia destabilizing the political systems? Why would it make them a better nation? Sounds like a conspiracy theory. Putin is wasting his time if he thinks the west can be fractured the way you're talking. Not to mention our tensions and discontent towards Government is totally justified because our government is fucking us over.

Again this all sounds like denomization, turning Putin into this unstoppable boogyman, in order to kick start a new Cold War.

[Ifreann]

He also founded ISIS.

...I thought Obama founded ISIS.

Trump founds the best terrorist organisations. Believe me.

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Yes, yes. Tell us more, will Ivan govern better?

Shut up. Russia is not trying to take over America. Period.

"It's not true because it upsets me!"

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DeVos rescinds 72 guidance documents outlining rights for disabled students

So much maga.

Are you sick of winning yet?

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So we apparently have Nuclear Bombers on 24-hour alert for the first time since the Cold War.

Trump just can't wait to play with all his best toys.

[Proctopeo]

Shut up. Russia is not trying to take over America. Period.

"It's not true because it upsets me!"

I have contact with Sarah Palin and she says she overheard Vladimir Putin say that he will "Annex the United States, for the glory of Mother Russia!", and that the entire Russian navy is stationed near Alaska for a planned naval invasion.

You can trust me, I have a degree in investigative journalism from Buzzfeed University.

Never mind that my paycheck is mailed in from Kiev...

[Sernarbia]

Because they're trying to sow discontent and raise tensions in the West, in the hopes of dividing us and capitalizing on our division to revive their imperial ambitions and relive their glory days. You should care because they're undermining our political systems in the hopes of destabilizing our political systems and radicalizing the populace, which ideally would lead to greater division and tension and conclude with the fracturing of the West. This is why whether or not Trump is Putin's lap dog is irrelevant, simply by being himself he causes increased tension and political polarization, as well as hurting US credibility and straining our foreign relations. And if none of that works, the Russians are more apt to throw weight behind right-wing nationalists, which from what I've seen are not your cup of tea. So, you have a vested interest, if only politically, for keeping Russia from meddling in our politics.

How the fuck would raising tensions improve the state of Russia? How is Russia destabilizing the political systems?

By funding far right movements across Europe and America.

Why would it make them a better nation? Sounds like a conspiracy theory. Putin is wasting his time if he thinks the west can be fractured the way you're talking. Not to mention our tensions and discontent towards Government is totally justified because our government is fucking us over.

And yet you want the ones responsible to be let off the hook.

Again this all sounds like denomization, turning Putin into this unstoppable boogyman, in order to kick start a new Cold War.

NOBODY IS TALKING ABOUT A WAR WITH RUSSIA!

[Seangoli]

So Myesha Johnson said Trump was being a disrespectful douche during his call to her, and pretty much verified Wilson's account.


Trump, being the brilliant person he is, took to twitter immediately to essentially call her a liar.

I am sure the "support the military!" Crowd will not take kindly to that, right?

[Valrifell]

"It's not true because it upsets me!"

I have contact with Sarah Palin and she says she overheard Vladimir Putin say that he will "Annex the United States, for the glory of Mother Russia!", and that the entire Russian navy is stationed near Alaska for a planned naval invasion.

You can trust me, I have a degree in investigative journalism from Buzzfeed University.

Never mind that my paycheck is mailed in from Kiev...

Beware the evil, diabolical, third superpower. The dreaded Ukraine!

[Sovaal]

So Myesha Johnson said Trump was being a disrespectful douche during his call to her, and pretty much verified Wilson's account.


Trump, being the brilliant person he is, took to twitter immediately to essentially call her a liar.

I am sure the "support the military!" Crowd will not take kindly to that, right?

Does Trump just like having his support erode away?

[Vassenor]

So Myesha Johnson said Trump was being a disrespectful douche during his call to her, and pretty much verified Wilson's account.


Trump, being the brilliant person he is, took to twitter immediately to essentially call her a liar.

I am sure the "support the military!" Crowd will not take kindly to that, right?

If his attacks on the POW/MIA community didn't do it, I don't see how this will.

[Proctopeo]

I have contact with Sarah Palin and she says she overheard Vladimir Putin say that he will "Annex the United States, for the glory of Mother Russia!", and that the entire Russian navy is stationed near Alaska for a planned naval invasion.

You can trust me, I have a degree in investigative journalism from Buzzfeed University.

Never mind that my paycheck is mailed in from Kiev...

Beware the evil, diabolical, third superpower. The dreaded Ukraine!

The most dangerous people are always the ones hiding in the borderlands.

[Sovaal]

Beware the evil, diabolical, third superpower. The dreaded Ukraine!

The most dangerous people are always the ones hiding in the borderlands.

can never trust a country who's name starts with a U.

[Proctopeo]

The most dangerous people are always the ones hiding in the borderlands.

can never trust a country who's name starts with a U.

:think:

[Sovaal]

can never trust a country who's name starts with a U.

:think:

Or ends with a vowel.