Trump MAGAthread IX: Korea, The Dreamers and Trump

[Vassenor]

Anyway given Trumps removal of Healthcare subsidies I do hope none of you are dependent upon healthcare bought on the exchanges.

But it will totally make everything better because the exchanges were driving up prices plus now people can buy across state lines meaning the free market can magically fix everything because the free market only wants what's best for you.

Just ignore all that fake news from those traitors in the CBO who say this will drive up premiums for millions of people.

[Hittanryan]

Anyway given Trumps removal of Healthcare subsidies I do hope none of you are dependent upon healthcare bought on the exchanges.

I am. This move will fuck me over pretty good.

Fuck the American healthcare system. If we go single-payer I do not care what happens to the health insurance companies. Let them eat cock.

[Tekeristan]

Anyway given Trumps removal of Healthcare subsidies I do hope none of you are dependent upon healthcare bought on the exchanges.

We pay 20 grand a year for health insurance for two people wew

[Hittanryan]

Also, ISIS fighters are starting to surrender by the dozen in Raqqa. Trump had fuck all to do with planning and executing this campaign, but that won't stop him from taking credit for Obama's work again.

[Seangoli]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-41618165?ocid=socialflow_facebook&ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbcnews&ns_source=facebook

He is just soo infuriatingly stupid and such a colossal ego driven wanker. Actually getting some progress with Iran and its nuclear program and this twat is trying to undo it all.

The sad part is his base actually believe his utter bullshit lies on what the deal entails. It's not that hard to look up that no, we did not give Iran $100 billion dollars. The money we gave them wasn't even a real payment, but rather returning money for a deal brokered in the 70's that we never followed through on our end, and honestly had very little to do with the Nuclear deal itself.


It's a fucking joke that the people who don't want Iran to have a nuclear weapon are opposed to a treaty that both stops them from procuring nuclear weapons, and is backed up by the fact that they are forced to allow us near unfettered inspections into their programs, else the trade sanctions go back into effect. All the damn "deal" did was to force Iran to play by our rules if they wanted to operate in the world market. That's a damn good deal.

[Vassenor]

I am still waiting for the proponents of for-profit healthcare to justify stuff like what is being ranted about here.

[Seangoli]

Also, ISIS fighters are starting to surrender by the dozen in Raqqa. Trump had fuck all to do with planning and executing this campaign, but that won't stop him from taking credit for Obama's work again.

ISIS has been on the backswing since about early 2016 or so, from what I recall. Trump's military policy, which is to allow a bit more autonomy to US forces in the region, seems to have expedited the speed in which they are falling, but ultimately likely not by any significant degree. It's like people claiming that Raegan led to the downfall of the Soviet Union. Conservatively, his policies may have led to a somewhat quicker demise of the Soviets (By forcing the Soviets to spend more on stupid shit), but in reality this was only by a couple months at best.


The simple truth is that the Middle East has almost unanimously united against ISIS, and they are getting pounded from all fronts. When Iran, Iraq, Christian Minorities *and* Kurds decide to effectively join forces against a group, you know they mean business.

[Bakery Hill]

Please do not use the Billy Joel defence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFTLKWw542g

We didn't start it, tho, and it's not like it's so easy to just not play politics as they have been played for the past 250 years or so.

you just kept it burning, while the earth kept turning

and put some more nice seasoned logs on it, and maybe a bit of petrol

but no, you didn't start it

[Bakery Hill]

Also, ISIS fighters are starting to surrender by the dozen in Raqqa. Trump had fuck all to do with planning and executing this campaign, but that won't stop him from taking credit for Obama's work again.

I think you mean the SDF's work.

[Bakery Hill]

Also, ISIS fighters are starting to surrender by the dozen in Raqqa. Trump had fuck all to do with planning and executing this campaign, but that won't stop him from taking credit for Obama's work again.

ISIS has been on the backswing since about early 2016 or so, from what I recall. Trump's military policy, which is to allow a bit more autonomy to US forces in the region, seems to have expedited the speed in which they are falling, but ultimately likely not by any significant degree. It's like people claiming that Raegan led to the downfall of the Soviet Union. Conservatively, his policies may have led to a somewhat quicker demise of the Soviets (By forcing the Soviets to spend more on stupid shit), but in reality this was only by a couple months at best.

I'd probably put it down to local developments. Not any great changes in US support since Trump got in.

The simple truth is that the Middle East has almost unanimously united against ISIS, and they are getting pounded from all fronts. When Iran and Iraq decide to effectively join forces against a group, you know they mean business.

Iran has had a large influence over Iraqi policy ever since Saddam fell.

[Galloism]

Week 21: Hunting Trump Like He's Pokemon

Russian political psychwar hit its dastardly apogee when Putin’s posse violated all that is holy by exploiting Pokémon Go. Yes, really. Pokémon Go, the augmented reality craze that transformed our mundane 3D world into a video game treasure hunt. Russian operators created a “contest” for Pokémon Go players that urged them “to find and train Pokémon near locations where alleged incidents of police brutality had taken place.” In one scenario, players were instructed to capture Pokémon near gyms that had been crime scenes and then to email screenshots of their captures and claim the prize of an Amazon gift certificate.

Even though none of the little creatures were directly harmed by the stunt, somewhere in Pokémon World the apolitical trinity of Pikachu, Eevee, and Squirtle can be heard sobbing and squeaking.

“Things happened on our platform that shouldn’t have happened,” Facebook Chief Operating Officer Sheryl Sandberg said this week—using the staid passive language Facebook likes to use that makes the firm sound like the victim rather than the perpetrator—in an interview with Axios’ Mike Allen. In one revealing exchange, Sandberg repeatedly deflected Allen’s question about the similarities between the audiences targeted by ads bought on Facebook by the Russians and those purchased by the Trump campaign.

According to Reuters’ Mark Hosenball, Facebook has not satisfied Congress’ call for information about the alleged Russian interventions. Facebook, the Washington Post reported, has deleted from its site data that allowed a social media analyst to produce an additional yardstick that indicated that twice as many users were exposed to the ads than Facebook estimated. When the researcher informed Facebook, it removed the data that allowed him that peek, citing user “privacy” and calling access to it a “bug.” Before the lights were turned out, the researcher found a single Russian-backed Instagram (owned by Facebook) account reached perhaps 10 million users, which is as many previously estimated for all Facebook pages.

[Hittanryan]

Also, ISIS fighters are starting to surrender by the dozen in Raqqa. Trump had fuck all to do with planning and executing this campaign, but that won't stop him from taking credit for Obama's work again.

I think you mean the SDF's work.

You know what I mean though, American military planning relevant to the current operations would have had to have been completed no later than 2016 or even 2015.

Trump doesn't know what the SDF is, at any rate.

[Valrifell]

We didn't start it, tho, and it's not like it's so easy to just not play politics as they have been played for the past 250 years or so.

you just kept it burning, while the earth kept turning

and put some more nice seasoned logs on it, and maybe a bit of petrol

but no, you didn't start it

Oh shit, I was the President?! Neato, how did I not know this!

Don't even pretend that the Democracts have been the largest fanning of the fire, when the worst thing Obama and Dems have done is not put out the fire. Because, you know, that's American politics.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Can we agree that the primar fault lies with a constitution which allows such blatant use of executive power.

[Hittanryan]

Can we agree that the primar fault lies with a constitution which allows such blatant use of executive power.

Less the Constitution and more a couple centuries of power creep, with a side helping of Congressional worthlessness since 2010.

[Vassenor]

Can we agree that the primar fault lies with a constitution which allows such blatant use of executive power.

Ironically Trump has complained the Constitution has too many checks and balances in it which is stopping him doing whatever he wants.

[New Rogernomics]

Can we agree that the primar fault lies with a constitution which allows such blatant use of executive power.

Ironically Trump has complained the Constitution has too many checks and balances in it which is stopping him doing whatever he wants.

As with most would be populist politicians, who want everything their own way.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Can we agree that the primar fault lies with a constitution which allows such blatant use of executive power.

Less the Constitution and more a couple centuries of power creep, with a side helping of Congressional worthlessness since 2010.

The constitution has allowed for that power creep. A constitution is a political blueprint for a country. If there is something wrong with a political system, the fault usually lies either with the constitution or the people enforcing it. Yes, it's the fault of the people allowing for that power creep, but a good constitution would not have allowed it to happen. A good constitution, incidentally, would not have turned Congress into the dead letter it is now.

Can we agree that the primar fault lies with a constitution which allows such blatant use of executive power.

Ironically Trump has complained the Constitution has too many checks and balances in it which is stopping him doing whatever he wants.

Some people are always on the wrong side of an issue.

[Ifreann]

Can we agree that the primar fault lies with a constitution which allows such blatant use of executive power.

Ironically Trump has complained the Constitution has too many checks and balances in it which is stopping him doing whatever he wants.

He's not even allowed to ban Muslims. So unfair.

[Betoni]

Now, what is the down side for Iran to develop nuclear weapons?

I imagine they would keep to their bargain and develop them after they are allowed. NK basically made it all possible, there is no diplomatic reason to not go for it. Iran would be dumb not to for nukes. NK is the fundation for that.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Now, what is the down side for Iran to develop nuclear weapons?

I imagine they would keep to their bargain and develop them after they are allowed. NK basically made it all possible, there is no diplomatic reason to not go for it. Iran would be dumb not to for nukes. NK is the fundation for that.

Have you looked at North Korea? Iran just lost a whole bunch of sanctions levied against it, its economy is booming. They will not want to go down the North Korean path. Do you think North Korea went unpunished? Their economy is in the shitter right now. The only reason Kim goes on is that if he loses, he'll lose his head.

[Betoni]

Now, what is the down side for Iran to develop nuclear weapons?

I imagine they would keep to their bargain and develop them after they are allowed. NK basically made it all possible, there is no diplomatic reason to not go for it. Iran would be dumb not to for nukes. NK is the fundation for that.

Have you looked at North Korea? Iran just lost a whole bunch of sanctions levied against it, its economy is booming. They will not want to go down the North Korean path. Do you think North Korea went unpunished? Their economy is in the shitter right now. The only reason Kim goes on is that if he loses, he'll lose his head.

Like Assad, like Saddam, that is my main fear. NK basically said fuck you to everyone, they had a one in a lifetime chance to do it, but it seems to have worked.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Have you looked at North Korea? Iran just lost a whole bunch of sanctions levied against it, its economy is booming. They will not want to go down the North Korean path. Do you think North Korea went unpunished? Their economy is in the shitter right now. The only reason Kim goes on is that if he loses, he'll lose his head.

Like Assad, like Saddam, that is my main fear. NK basically said fuck you to everyone, they had a one in a lifetime chance to do it, but it seems to have worked.

No, it has not worked. North Korea is entirely dependent on both China and ever-increasing political hostility. There comes a day when even those can't save Kim Jong Un. Even now, is country is in shambles. Kim Jong Un is alive, but that is basically how much he has 'won'.

[Betoni]

Like Assad, like Saddam, that is my main fear. NK basically said fuck you to everyone, they had a one in a lifetime chance to do it, but it seems to have worked.

No, it has not worked. North Korea is entirely dependent on both China and ever-increasing political hostility. There comes a day when even those can't save Kim Jong Un. Even now, is country is in shambles. Kim Jong Un is alive, but that is basically how much he has 'won'.

That is basically how much iran has won, and they are in a region far more volatile than NK.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

No, it has not worked. North Korea is entirely dependent on both China and ever-increasing political hostility. There comes a day when even those can't save Kim Jong Un. Even now, is country is in shambles. Kim Jong Un is alive, but that is basically how much he has 'won'.

That is basically how much iran has won, and they are in a region far more volatile than NK.

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Are we talking about the same thing? You're not making any sense.