Trump MAGAthread IX: Korea, The Dreamers and Trump

[Kramania]

They should be ineligible for all federal benefits.

I'd agree with you if it weren't for the fact that they pay into them with their tax dollars.

Then we shall remedy that and remove them from the country so they no longer need to pay taxes to our government.

Also, they pay federal taxes?

[Northern Davincia]

They should be ineligible for all federal benefits.

Even though they pay for them?

Yes.

They should be ineligible for all federal benefits.

I'd agree with you if it weren't for the fact that they pay into them with their tax dollars.

The point is to make illegal immigration less enticing. Therefore, you worsen the consequences for letting them stay.

[Kramania]

That they are illegal immigrants who are in violation of US immigration law and have no right to be here, and that allowing them to stay only further incentivizes more illegal immigration.

In violation of a law created by an already broken immigration system.

You come in legally you get to stay. You come in illegally you get removed. I fail to see how that's broken.

What is the problem? Allowing them to stay does not incentivize immigration, since they had to come in before a certain date and if they came in after that date, then they are ineligible for DACA. So, I guess it promotes time travel if anything.

Because it will send the message that if you break our immigration laws you will be allowed to stay.

And how long before people start demanding a DACA for people who came in after that magic date? Why not have more amnesty?

[Albul II]

Literally, if they came to the USA after June 15, 2007, then they are ineligible for DACA. I guess people are going to come to the USA illegally before June 15, 2007, now.

[Albul II]

In violation of a law created by an already broken immigration system.

You come in legally you get to stay. You come in illegally you get removed. I fail to see how that's broken.

What is the problem? Allowing them to stay does not incentivize immigration, since they had to come in before a certain date and if they came in after that date, then they are ineligible for DACA. So, I guess it promotes time travel if anything.

Because it will send the message that if you break our immigration laws you will be allowed to stay.

And how long before people start demanding a DACA for people who came in after that magic date? Why not have more amnesty?

The thing is, even if you come in legally, that doesn't mean you get to stay. I'll agree with the wall and E-verify, but deporting them is just plain unfeasible.

[Kramania]

Literally, if they came to the USA after June 15, 2007, then they are ineligible for DACA. I guess people are going to come to the USA illegally before June 15, 2007, now.

But what about the poor people who came on June 16, 2007? What about their amnesty? Surely you wouldn't be so heartless as to deny them amnesty as well? And what about their families? We can't rip apart families. They need amnesty as well. Amnesty for everyone! In fact, no borders at all! Let everyone come in.

[Kramania]

You come in legally you get to stay. You come in illegally you get removed. I fail to see how that's broken.


Because it will send the message that if you break our immigration laws you will be allowed to stay.

And how long before people start demanding a DACA for people who came in after that magic date? Why not have more amnesty?

The thing is, even if you come in legally, that doesn't mean you get to stay. I'll agree with the wall and E-verify, but deporting them is just plain unfeasible.

And why is that?

Also, it doesn't guarantee you get to stay. But if you follow the rules you almost certainly will be allowed to.

[Albul II]

And why is that?

Look at the bureaucratic hassle that ICE and the USCIS and the DHS already have to do just to give people visas.

Now look at the hassle that they do just to deport one person, especially if they don't agree to a voluntary departure. Imagine that times 11 million undocumented (illegal is a hype word) immigrants who come from all over the world.

Also, it doesn't guarantee you get to stay. But if you follow the rules you almost certainly will be allowed to.

Even if you come in legally and do everything right, you then have the trouble of how to be a lawful permanent resident and then a citizen. Not every legal immigrant becomes a resident, even if they follow all the rules. There is too much bureaucracy in the immigration process, and too much promise given that is not met.

My solution (and temporarily, because it doesn't help my ideological beliefs at all) is to build a wall, establish strong measures, such as e-verify and stricter visa overstay watch, and then give all the 11 million employment authorization.

[The of Japan]

And why is that?

Look at the bureaucratic hassle that ICE and the USCIS and the DHS already have to do just to give people visas.

Now look at the hassle that they do just to deport one person, especially if they don't agree to a voluntary departure. Imagine that times 11 million undocumented (illegal is a hype word) immigrants who come from all over the world.

Also, it doesn't guarantee you get to stay. But if you follow the rules you almost certainly will be allowed to.

Even if you come in legally and do everything right, you then have the trouble of how to be a lawful permanent resident and then a citizen. Not every legal immigrant becomes a resident, even if they follow all the rules. There is too much bureaucracy in the immigration process, and too much promise given that is not met.

My solution (and temporarily, because it doesn't help my ideological beliefs at all) is to build a wall, establish strong measures, such as e-verify and stricter visa overstay watch, and then give all the 11 million employment authorization.

mass changes of illegals to legals would probably be needed too.

[Albul II]

Look at the bureaucratic hassle that ICE and the USCIS and the DHS already have to do just to give people visas.

Now look at the hassle that they do just to deport one person, especially if they don't agree to a voluntary departure. Imagine that times 11 million undocumented (illegal is a hype word) immigrants who come from all over the world.


Even if you come in legally and do everything right, you then have the trouble of how to be a lawful permanent resident and then a citizen. Not every legal immigrant becomes a resident, even if they follow all the rules. There is too much bureaucracy in the immigration process, and too much promise given that is not met.

My solution (and temporarily, because it doesn't help my ideological beliefs at all) is to build a wall, establish strong measures, such as e-verify and stricter visa overstay watch, and then give all the 11 million employment authorization.

mass changes of illegals to legals would probably be needed too.

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That is what employment authorization would be... It wouldn't make them residents, but it would let them work.

[Telconi]

And why is that?

Look at the bureaucratic hassle that ICE and the USCIS and the DHS already have to do just to give people visas.

Now look at the hassle that they do just to deport one person, especially if they don't agree to a voluntary departure. Imagine that times 11 million undocumented (illegal is a hype word) immigrants who come from all over the world.

Also, it doesn't guarantee you get to stay. But if you follow the rules you almost certainly will be allowed to.

Even if you come in legally and do everything right, you then have the trouble of how to be a lawful permanent resident and then a citizen. Not every legal immigrant becomes a resident, even if they follow all the rules. There is too much bureaucracy in the immigration process, and too much promise given that is not met.

My solution (and temporarily, because it doesn't help my ideological beliefs at all) is to build a wall, establish strong measures, such as e-verify and stricter visa overstay watch, and then give all the 11 million employment authorization.

Point of order, 'undocumented' is as much a hype word, if not more. They did commit a crime, and that crime was immigration. So calling them an illegal immigrant is no less accurate than calling an illegal driver such, or literally anything else.

[Corrian]

Trump Administration won't pull out of Paris Climate Agreement

What is happening.

[Steffan]

Trump Administration won't pull out of Paris Climate Agreement

What is happening.

Wh-...Huh?!
Edit:
Nope! Nap! Never mind! Trump is still shit! Everything is back to normal!

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Trump Administration won't pull out of Paris Climate Agreement

What is happening.

We had an election while nobody was looking.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

I blame the Deep State.

We Are Change is onto something.

[New haven america]

Literally, if they came to the USA after June 15, 2007, then they are ineligible for DACA. I guess people are going to come to the USA illegally before June 15, 2007, now.

1.But what about the poor people who came on June 16, 2007? What about their amnesty? Surely you wouldn't be so heartless as to deny them amnesty as well? 2.And what about their families? We can't rip apart families. They need amnesty as well. Amnesty for everyone! 3.In fact, no borders at all! Let everyone come in.

1. Oh well
2. This is actually a viable argument
3. I'd be fine with that

[Ism]

Trump Administration won't pull out of Paris Climate Agreement

What is happening.

Don't get your hopes up.

[Steffan]

Trump Administration won't pull out of Paris Climate Agreement

What is happening.

We had an election while nobody was looking.

Who won?

[The Empire of Pretantia]

We had an election while nobody was looking.

Who won?

The Deep State.

[Camicon]

Even though they pay for them?

Yes.

I seem to recall that "no taxation without representation" was one of the reasons that the US fought Britain for independence.

So it's a good enough reason for treason and war, but not illegal immigration? Care to square that circle?

[Corrian]

Trump Administration won't pull out of Paris Climate Agreement

What is happening.

Don't get your hopes up.

I didn't, because I don't trust anything from this administration.

[Genivaria]

Trump Administration won't pull out of Paris Climate Agreement

What is happening.

Don't get your hopes up.

Hope has long since died.

[Farnhamia]

Don't get your hopes up.

Hope has long since died.

Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies. – Andy Dufresne

[AiliailiA]

So in other words there is no other argument against it.

I guess if you want to disregard our immigration laws then there isn't.

Excellent then. We'll change the immigration law and then you will have no argument against Dreamers.

[Kramania]

1.But what about the poor people who came on June 16, 2007? What about their amnesty? Surely you wouldn't be so heartless as to deny them amnesty as well? 2.And what about their families? We can't rip apart families. They need amnesty as well. Amnesty for everyone! 3.In fact, no borders at all! Let everyone come in.

1. Oh well
2. This is actually a viable argument
3. I'd be fine with that

There is no reasoning with supporters of open borders.