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Infected Mushroom wrote:

The Chan Islanders wrote:No, but on the technicality that I vote in a place where it does have weight.

Last election the difference between the winner and the loser in my constituency was *187*. I campaigned vigorously for the winner and easily spoke to more people than that during the election.

When the contest is that close, throwing your vote away to a third party (Nazi or not) is irresponsible.

Besides, I'm trying to cut down my video game time so that I can be more productive....

Why not sell your vote but continue to talk to 187+ people?

There's quite a giant gap between 180ish votes deciding an election and 1 vote

in the grand scheme of things its not. You just don't get it do you? 187 votes in an extremely close election.

Your selfishness and self centered attitude is how people like Trump got elected.

Eisen Wolf Reich wrote:Well, as a straight while male gamer of German heritage, I see nothing but gains here. Sign me up.

Indeed

San Lumen wrote:

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Why not sell your vote but continue to talk to 187+ people?

There's quite a giant gap between 180ish votes deciding an election and 1 vote

in the grand scheme of things its not. You just don't get it do you? 187 votes in an extremely close election.

Your selfishness and self centered attitude is how people like Trump got elected.

That's not even an argument.

"in the grand scheme of things its not. You just don't get it do you? 187 votes in an extremely close election. "

What the hell is that even supposed to mean? It doesn't even mean anything. "In the grand scheme of things"? The hell????

Also, some unrelated attack about Trump? Who cares about Trump and why's it related to this thread?

Wow

The Holy Therns wrote:Video games aren't fun enough that I'd sacrifice my ideals and political freedom for them. It'd be absurdly stupid to do so.

You're not required to sacrifice your ideals and your political freedoms. Only your One Vote against a sea of votes.

Infected Mushroom wrote:

San Lumen wrote:in the grand scheme of things its not. You just don't get it do you? 187 votes in an extremely close election.

Your selfishness and self centered attitude is how people like Trump got elected.

That's not even an argument.

"in the grand scheme of things its not. You just don't get it do you? 187 votes in an extremely close election. "

What the hell is that even supposed to mean? It doesn't even mean anything. "In the grand scheme of things"? The hell????

Also, some unrelated attack about Trump? Who cares about Trump and why's it related to this thread?

Wow

How is that not an argument? 187 votes is a very close election. That not even a election district in my city. Why do you have this obsession with one vote? its statistically unlikely an election will come to one vote. If your so obsessed with one vote why not have every election rigged so it comes down to one vote? You never answered that question.

Infected Mushroom wrote:

San Lumen wrote:in the grand scheme of things its not. You just don't get it do you? 187 votes in an extremely close election.

Your selfishness and self centered attitude is how people like Trump got elected.

That's not even an argument.

"in the grand scheme of things its not. You just don't get it do you? 187 votes in an extremely close election. "

What the hell is that even supposed to mean? It doesn't even mean anything. "In the grand scheme of things"? The hell????

Also, some unrelated attack about Trump? Who cares about Trump and why's it related to this thread?

Wow

Let me give you some context in that case. Michigan was won by Trump... by a fairly narrow margin. In fact looking through the votes will show that people who did a protest vote for Stein or Johnson basically gave the state to Trump. A margin of only several thousand. Those singular votes all added up to a substantial chunk...

So in the grand scheme of things, none of us exist in a vacuum. We are all part of a general trend, and every vote will swing the election one way or the other. Ultimately if the election is close enough, all you need is a single vote. In the end, every vote against or for someone does change the ultimate outcome, and in a district where millions might be registered, 187 is an incredibly close election... hell 2001 was a shit show with thousands of votes in doubt, and that was considered "razor thin" margins.

I think the 19th Amendment example brought up earlier in the thread is an excellent example of one vote making all the difference. While Nazis may not come into power tomorrow, they could eventually do so. Let's pretend they will come into power one day, and it was your vote that was the one. Would you be comfortable knowing your vote started another holocaust because you wanted a vidja gaem?

But, let's ignore the prevalence and impact of any Nazi Party (which does exist in the US last I checked), and get to the meat of the matter. Why are you willing to forgo any sense of morality for videogames?

NeoOasis wrote:

Infected Mushroom wrote:
That's not even an argument.

"in the grand scheme of things its not. You just don't get it do you? 187 votes in an extremely close election. "

What the hell is that even supposed to mean? It doesn't even mean anything. "In the grand scheme of things"? The hell????

Also, some unrelated attack about Trump? Who cares about Trump and why's it related to this thread?

Wow

Let me give you some context in that case. Michigan was won by Trump... by a fairly narrow margin. In fact looking through the votes will show that people who did a protest vote for Stein or Johnson basically gave the state to Trump. A margin of only several thousand. Those singular votes all added up to a substantial chunk...

So in the grand scheme of things, none of us exist in a vacuum. We are all part of a general trend, and every vote will swing the election one way or the other. Ultimately if the election is close enough, all you need is a single vote. In the end, every vote against or for someone does change the ultimate outcome, and in a district where millions might be registered, 187 is an incredibly close election... hell 2001 was a shit show with thousands of votes in doubt, and that was considered "razor thin" margins.

I think the 19th Amendment example brought up earlier in the thread is an excellent example of one vote making all the difference. While Nazis may not come into power tomorrow, they could eventually do so. Let's pretend they will come into power one day, and it was your vote that was the one. Would you be comfortable knowing your vote started another holocaust because you wanted a vidja gaem?

But, let's ignore the prevalence and impact of any Nazi Party (which does exist in the US last I checked), and get to the meat of the matter. Why are you willing to forgo any sense of morality for videogames?

And IM's response will be unless its one vote difference it doesn't matter.

San Lumen wrote:

Infected Mushroom wrote:
That's not even an argument.

"in the grand scheme of things its not. You just don't get it do you? 187 votes in an extremely close election. "

What the hell is that even supposed to mean? It doesn't even mean anything. "In the grand scheme of things"? The hell????

Also, some unrelated attack about Trump? Who cares about Trump and why's it related to this thread?

Wow

How is that not an argument? 187 votes is a very close election. That not even a election district in my city. Why do you have this obsession with one vote? its statistically unlikely an election will come to one vote. If your so obsessed with one vote why not have every election rigged so it comes down to one vote? You never answered that question.

See the bolded... that's exactly why from my point of view your One Vote (all you are asked to sell) isn't worth all that much

I focus on One Vote because the OP is about selling One Vote, not other people's votes, so I only care about One Vote

Infected Mushroom wrote:

The Holy Therns wrote:Video games aren't fun enough that I'd sacrifice my ideals and political freedom for them. It'd be absurdly stupid to do so.

You're not required to sacrifice your ideals and your political freedoms. Only your One Vote against a sea of votes.

Yes, that is a political freedom in accordance with my ideals.

Infected Mushroom wrote:

San Lumen wrote:
How is that not an argument? 187 votes is a very close election. That not even a election district in my city. Why do you have this obsession with one vote? its statistically unlikely an election will come to one vote. If your so obsessed with one vote why not have every election rigged so it comes down to one vote? You never answered that question.

See the bolded... that's exactly why from my point of view your One Vote (all you are asked to sell) isn't worth all that much

I focus on One Vote because the OP is about selling One Vote, not other people's votes, so I only care about One Vote

so i ask you again if your so obsessed with one vote then why not rig every election so it comes down to one vote?

San Lumen wrote:so i ask you again if your so obsessed with one vote then why not rig every election so it comes down to one vote?

Because if you have the ability to rig an election so that it comes down to one vote, you have the ability (and it'd be far better to do so) to rig an election so you/your preferred party wins anyway. It would be easier to do the latter anyway, since you wouldn't have to find and coerce the one guy whose vote you need to win.

If it came down to one single vote to decide who rules the country, and it was my vote that decided the fate of some 35 million people...well, folk (or the parties at least) better start lining my pockets up because video games just ain't gonna cut it anymore in such a scenario.

Nocturnalis wrote:

San Lumen wrote:so i ask you again if your so obsessed with one vote then why not rig every election so it comes down to one vote?

Because if you have the ability to rig an election so that it comes down to one vote, you have the ability (and it'd be far better to do so) to rig an election so you/your preferred party wins anyway. It would be easier to do the latter anyway, since you wouldn't have to find and coerce the one guy whose vote you need to win.

If it came down to one single vote to decide who rules the country, and it was my vote that decided the fate of some 35 million people...well, folk (or the parties at least) better start lining my pockets up because video games just ain't gonna cut it anymore in such a scenario.

Im well aware. IM is obsessed with one vote so I asking them to take their argument to the extreme.

San Lumen wrote:

Infected Mushroom wrote:
See the bolded... that's exactly why from my point of view your One Vote (all you are asked to sell) isn't worth all that much

I focus on One Vote because the OP is about selling One Vote, not other people's votes, so I only care about One Vote

so i ask you again if your so obsessed with one vote then why not rig every election so it comes down to one vote?

Why not?

But again, why's that related to the thread?

This thread is chasing its own tail.

Around 70% seem to think that everyone might only get one vote among millions, but are not willing to sell out their duty and/or freedom for vidya games since the entire election is made up of all of our One Votes.

Around 30% seem to count on everyone else acting responsibly, so they can throw their vote away for personal gain without the harm which would be caused if everyone acted that way.

I don't think either side is going to budge, nor even slightly change their opinion.

Albrenia wrote:This thread is chasing its own tail.

Around 70% seem to think that everyone might only get one vote among millions, but are not willing to sell out their duty and/or freedom for vidya games since the entire election is made up of all of our One Votes.

Around 30% seem to count on everyone else acting responsibly, so they can throw their vote away for personal gain without the harm which would be caused if everyone acted that way.

I don't think either side is going to budge, nor even slightly change their opinion.

The thing is, regardless of whether the rest of the people act "responsibly" or not... you only have One Vote and you couldn't have stopped it anyways.

If the people really wanted the Nazis, under this system they will get them. Your One Vote is still worthless in that scenario.

Infected Mushroom wrote:

San Lumen wrote:so i ask you again if your so obsessed with one vote then why not rig every election so it comes down to one vote?

Why not?

But again, why's that related to the thread?

I think its a perfectly legitimate question.

San Lumen wrote:

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Why not?

But again, why's that related to the thread?

I think its a perfectly legitimate question.

Well I see no point in "rigging" elections. You can simply do without them if you want to rig them to one vote, unless its my vote then I 100% approve.

Infected Mushroom wrote:

Eisen Wolf Reich wrote:Well, as a straight while male gamer of German heritage, I see nothing but gains here. Sign me up.

Indeed

I mean honestly, whats my 1 vote going to change, when these Neo-nazi's will never get enough votes to make a difference. Considering this deal is only being made to me, then I guess that means they nazis get 1 more measly vote vs the thousands against them.

Infected Mushroom wrote:

San Lumen wrote:I think its a perfectly legitimate question.

Well I see no point in "rigging" elections. You can simply do without them if you want to rig them to one vote, unless its my vote then I 100% approve.

Oh so you only what that if its your vote. Again your selfishness and self-centeredness shows.

San Lumen wrote:

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Well I see no point in "rigging" elections. You can simply do without them if you want to rig them to one vote, unless its my vote then I 100% approve.

Oh so you only what that if its your vote. Again your selfishness and self-centeredness shows.

not a valid argument when the OP only asks you to sell One Vote.

If anything you're demonstrating an inability to focus on the relevant issues and stay on topic; other people's votes are irelevant because they are not being traded

Eisen Wolf Reich wrote:

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Indeed

I mean honestly, whats my 1 vote going to change, when these Neo-nazi's will never get enough votes to make a difference. Considering this deal is only being made to me, then I guess that means they nazis get 1 more measly vote vs the thousands against them.

this is 100% correct

also, if you get to a point where society really will turn Nazi, your one vote still won't change the outcome

Eisen Wolf Reich wrote:

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Indeed

I mean honestly, whats my 1 vote going to change, when these Neo-nazi's will never get enough votes to make a difference. Considering this deal is only being made to me, then I guess that means they nazis get 1 more measly vote vs the thousands against them.

Whereas I don't see that as an incentive to vote for people who want me dead. But apparently that makes me selfish because I won't discard my beliefs and principles for material gain.

Gaben needs more pocket money, so I ain't voting for Nazis to get free vidya

San Lumen wrote:so basically why bother having elections? Thats what you saying. You'd be perfectly with a system like what they have in Eritrea in Canada.

Being indifferent to elections no more implies wanting to impose a system like Eritrea anymore than supporting democracy indicates wanting to have a system like Pakistan.

If a system works fine, I could not care less if I get to participate in it. I would be happy living in a country like Singapore, where the ruling party rigs elections in their favor. Likewise for me with the Emirate of Dubai, where they do not even bother with the pretense of electoral politics.

By the same token, despite my ability to vote in the United States, I have no reason to believe that the two major parties have any interest in my well-being, or that any party that could become a major player would resist the urge to rent-seek on behalf of their cronies and backers. Elected officials are just as much bound to the iron law of oligarchy as anyone else.

Seleucas wrote:

San Lumen wrote:so basically why bother having elections? Thats what you saying. You'd be perfectly with a system like what they have in Eritrea in Canada.

Being indifferent to elections no more implies wanting to impose a system like Eritrea anymore than supporting democracy indicates wanting to have a system like Pakistan.

If a system works fine, I could not care less if I get to participate in it. I would be happy living in a country like Singapore, where the ruling party rigs elections in their favor. Likewise for me with the Emirate of Dubai, where they do not even bother with the pretense of electoral politics.

By the same token, despite my ability to vote in the United States, I have no reason to believe that the two major parties have any interest in my well-being, or that any party that could become a major player would resist the urge to rent-seek on behalf of their cronies and backers. Elected officials are just as much bound to the iron law of oligarchy as anyone else.

where do you think politicians come from? They don't fall from the sky from anther reality. They come from towns just like yours.