Nazi Vote and Free Video Games Scenario

[Alvecia]

how does valuing democracy and equality for all make me degenerate? Everyone deserves to be equal and democracy should never be for sale.

everything in democracy IS for sale... literally... even your votes... why do you think the manufacturers voted for Trump? He promised them jobs.

Who do you think gets the prime time advertising time on the big channels? Whoever the party machines funnel the most money behind.

That's not democracy at work, that's capitalism

[Infected Mushroom]

everything in democracy IS for sale... literally... even your votes... why do you think the manufacturers voted for Trump? He promised them jobs.

Who do you think gets the prime time advertising time on the big channels? Whoever the party machines funnel the most money behind.

That's not democracy at work, that's capitalism

so then a communist democracy? What is that supposed to look like?

[Alvecia]

That's not democracy at work, that's capitalism

so then a communist democracy? What is that supposed to look like?

Dunno, but whatever it looks like, I can guarantee that there won't be people/corporations with vast sums of money buying votes.

[Ifreann]

That's not democracy at work, that's capitalism

so then a communist democracy? What is that supposed to look like?

Workers hold elections to choose who will represent them in the local soviet.

[Soyouso]

Me: How dare you try to injure my honor, I take bribes from no one. NO ONE! There is no game that could e--
Nazi, wearing a long black coat: *opens coat and pulls out Bloodborne II*
Me: *sweats nervously*

[Nocturnalis]

so then a communist democracy? What is that supposed to look like?

Kinda the same as a normal democracy, except instead of bribing people with video games or money, you'd bribe them with bread.

[Infected Mushroom]

so then a communist democracy? What is that supposed to look like?

Workers hold elections to choose who will represent them in the local soviet.

would the people be more honorable under such a system?

[Alvecia]

Workers hold elections to choose who will represent them in the local soviet.

would the people be more honorable under such a system?

I don't think the system of government has any effect on the levels of "honor" that people have.

[Seleucas]

You Know IM i really don't understand you obsession with one vote. Im really sorry every election doesn't come down to one vote. Its statistically unlikely that it will. Its very likely the governor race in New Jersey this year will be a blowout victory for one side. Does that mean it was a waste of time to vote because one vote didn't decide the election? I really fail to understand your logic.

Focusing on the one vote seems logical. If there are four parts to the value of a vote (closeness of the election, cost of voting, difference between the candidates, and personal satisfaction from voting), one already believes that the choice is between two roughly equivalent oligarchs, and one does not enjoy participating in an election as it is, then the impact of one's vote on the outcome would be critical.

[Infected Mushroom]

You Know IM i really don't understand you obsession with one vote. Im really sorry every election doesn't come down to one vote. Its statistically unlikely that it will. Its very likely the governor race in New Jersey this year will be a blowout victory for one side. Does that mean it was a waste of time to vote because one vote didn't decide the election? I really fail to understand your logic.

Focusing on the one vote seems logical. If there are four parts to the value of a vote (closeness of the election, cost of voting, difference between the candidates, and personal satisfaction from voting), one already believes that the choice is between two roughly equivalent oligarchs, and one does not enjoy participating in an election as it is, then the impact of one's vote on the outcome would be critical.

Indeed

[San Lumen]

Focusing on the one vote seems logical. If there are four parts to the value of a vote (closeness of the election, cost of voting, difference between the candidates, and personal satisfaction from voting), one already believes that the choice is between two roughly equivalent oligarchs, and one does not enjoy participating in an election as it is, then the impact of one's vote on the outcome would be critical.

Indeed

Its very likely that the governor race in New Jersey this year will be a landslide for one candidate and he will likely have major coattails as the legislature and many local elections are being contested. What your saying is anyone who votes will be wasting their time because one vote wont decide it?

[Infected Mushroom]

Indeed

Its very likely that the governor race in New Jersey this year will be a landslide for one candidate and he will likely have major coattails as the legislature and many local elections are being contested. What your saying is anyone who votes will be wasting their time because one vote wont decide it?

What I am saying is that if you support the governor, Cool.

If you don't, it's not so Cool but there are bigger problems in life probably.

In either event (regardless of your position), it would be a waste of time to vote since your vote doesn't decide or impact anything. You would be better off spending that time working, studying, resting, or even grinding virtual currency in an MMO.

However, the system of social control set up by the Haves relies on the illusion that it matters and countless people will be told year after year that "Voting is Freedom" and that they have a "Choice."

But hey, at least we're past the day and age when they would shove posters at us showing creepy 1930s "every day" grinning Americans (your "average" mechanic/farmer/worker etc) with slogans attached like "Freedom is your Job." Now its at LEAST a bit less in your face...

[San Lumen]

Its very likely that the governor race in New Jersey this year will be a landslide for one candidate and he will likely have major coattails as the legislature and many local elections are being contested. What your saying is anyone who votes will be wasting their time because one vote wont decide it?

What I am saying is that if you support the governor, Cool.

If you don't, it's not so Cool but there are bigger problems in life probably.

In either event (regardless of your position), it would be a waste of time to vote since your vote doesn't decide or impact anything. You would be better off spending that time working, studying, resting, or even grinding virtual currency in an MMO.

However, the system of social control set up by the Haves relies on the illusion that it matters and countless people will be told year after year that "Voting is Freedom" and that they have a "Choice."

But hey, at least we're past the day and age when they would shove posters at us showing creepy 1930s "every day" Americans with slogans attached like "Freedom is your Job." Now its at LEAST a bit less in your face...

so basically why bother having elections? Thats what you saying. You'd be perfectly with a system like what they have in Eritrea in Canada.

[Infected Mushroom]

What I am saying is that if you support the governor, Cool.

If you don't, it's not so Cool but there are bigger problems in life probably.

In either event (regardless of your position), it would be a waste of time to vote since your vote doesn't decide or impact anything. You would be better off spending that time working, studying, resting, or even grinding virtual currency in an MMO.

However, the system of social control set up by the Haves relies on the illusion that it matters and countless people will be told year after year that "Voting is Freedom" and that they have a "Choice."

But hey, at least we're past the day and age when they would shove posters at us showing creepy 1930s "every day" Americans with slogans attached like "Freedom is your Job." Now its at LEAST a bit less in your face...

so basically why bother having elections? Thats what you saying. You'd be perfectly with a system like what they have in Eritrea in Canada.

Why Eritrea in particular?

[San Lumen]

so basically why bother having elections? Thats what you saying. You'd be perfectly with a system like what they have in Eritrea in Canada.

Why Eritrea in particular?

Eritrea has no elections at all. Freedom of the press is non existent as is freedom of speech and religion. There are plenty of other examples like Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, Kazakstan, Belarus where elections are just for show and there is no real competition at all. There is no freedom in those countries either and your locked up for criticism of the government and if you gay your door is kicked in and your dragged away in the middle of the night.

[Nocturnalis]

so basically why bother having elections? Thats what you saying. You'd be perfectly with a system like what they have in Eritrea in Canada.

Why Eritrea in particular?

For whatever reason he seems to think that no longer having elections (as if our current system of elections was so great to begin with lol) would turn Canada into a colder, plus-sized Eritrea. This is not the first time he's gone off on Eritrea like that.

The irony here is that in the parliamentary system elections really aren't all that important.

[The Rich Port]

Or, you know, you could be a video game reviewer with enough followers and anal circumference to get review copies in the mail.

Is the Nazi pity party the new hip trendy meme.

[Licana]

You will get free video games for the rest of your life (ex New Battlefield came out? You can snap your fingers and get a free copy).

However, as a consequence, you will be obligated to, for the rest of your life, vote for the party in your political system that resembles the Nazis at all and any given point in time. The party might be a small almost non existent group or it could be a somewhat major political party, it just depends on what country you live in. Any time an election comes up, the electoral machine will magically consider it a Done Deal that you've already voted for the "Nazi" party. For the rest of your life you will be adding 1 vote to the far right wing... For many people, this means that your right to vote is gone.

Please note, the deal is being offered to You only.

With that last clause in mind, I would accept immediately.

[Infected Mushroom]

You will get free video games for the rest of your life (ex New Battlefield came out? You can snap your fingers and get a free copy).

However, as a consequence, you will be obligated to, for the rest of your life, vote for the party in your political system that resembles the Nazis at all and any given point in time. The party might be a small almost non existent group or it could be a somewhat major political party, it just depends on what country you live in. Any time an election comes up, the electoral machine will magically consider it a Done Deal that you've already voted for the "Nazi" party. For the rest of your life you will be adding 1 vote to the far right wing... For many people, this means that your right to vote is gone.

Please note, the deal is being offered to You only.

With that last clause in mind, I would accept immediately.

in my view you have chosen wisely

[The Chan Islanders]

No, but on the technicality that I vote in a place where it does have weight.

Last election the difference between the winner and the loser in my constituency was *187*. I campaigned vigorously for the winner and easily spoke to more people than that during the election.

When the contest is that close, throwing your vote away to a third party (Nazi or not) is irresponsible.

Besides, I'm trying to cut down my video game time so that I can be more productive....

[San Lumen]

No, but on the technicality that I vote in a place where it does have weight.

Last election the difference between the winner and the loser in my constituency was *187*. I campaigned vigorously for the winner and easily spoke to more people than that during the election.

When the contest is that close, throwing your vote away to a third party (Nazi or not) is irresponsible.

Besides, I'm trying to cut down my video game time so that I can be more productive....

Its still not one vote according to IM and therefore it still doesn't matter. I don't disagree with you.

[Infected Mushroom]

No, but on the technicality that I vote in a place where it does have weight.

Last election the difference between the winner and the loser in my constituency was *187*. I campaigned vigorously for the winner and easily spoke to more people than that during the election.

When the contest is that close, throwing your vote away to a third party (Nazi or not) is irresponsible.

Besides, I'm trying to cut down my video game time so that I can be more productive....

Why not sell your vote but continue to talk to 187+ people?

There's quite a giant gap between 180ish votes deciding an election and 1 vote

[The Holy Therns]

Video games aren't fun enough that I'd sacrifice my ideals and political freedom for them. It'd be absurdly stupid to do so.

[The Chan Islanders]

No, but on the technicality that I vote in a place where it does have weight.

Last election the difference between the winner and the loser in my constituency was *187*. I campaigned vigorously for the winner and easily spoke to more people than that during the election.

When the contest is that close, throwing your vote away to a third party (Nazi or not) is irresponsible.

Besides, I'm trying to cut down my video game time so that I can be more productive....

Why not sell your vote but continue to talk to 187+ people?

There's quite a giant gap between 180ish votes deciding an election and 1 vote

Because with a gap that close, it is very possible the gap could get closer. In Fife in the same election for example it came down to just 2 votes.

Rather not risk it.

[Eisen Wolf Reich]

Well, as a straight while male gamer of German heritage, I see nothing but gains here. Sign me up.