Nazi Vote and Free Video Games Scenario

[Kash Island]

if were playing this game then Maoism is not a sub-type of communism because it differes from Marxism

i mean we have shit like anarcho-communism

your right it wouldn't be hitlerian national socialism, but it dosn't need to be.

The thing is that, by its very foundations, it cannot be non-race based. Even the Strasser brothers held the core tenets true, their only differences were conciliation with the USSR and more emphasis on the Revolutionary and Socialist aspects of the ideology.

indeed, but then Maoism wouldn't be seen as a form of communism then, but we accept it as such

there is nothing to suggest one couldn't advocate nationalism, socialism and democracy and simply call themselves a "Democratic National Socialist"

point is, just because it started out as racist dosn't mean it's IMPOSSIBLE to have a non-racial variation.

[Storhjaltland]

Didn't take long for most of the Germans in Nazi Germany to swing heavily in favor of the Nazis.

I'm pretty sure this has been debunked time and time again. The Nazis did not win any democratic elections, and did not come to power in a democratic or fair way.

[Oceasia]

Yeah, because despite voting for the Nazis, I'll still talk to other people as if I don't and encourage them to vote for better parties.

[Hydesland]

This thread is peak NSG.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

No you aren't.

then you have not been reading or you have read wrong

I'm also not seeing much to reply to here, I could also say "Yes I am" (and then you repeat back)

I mean you haven't really addressed any of my points so...

I've been addressing your points, it's just you won't stop tipping your fedora to see that I am.

[Infected Mushroom]

This thread is peak NSG.

Absolutely. All the tendencies are being exhibited as we speak. Just look at the past 10 pages.

[Infected Mushroom]

then you have not been reading or you have read wrong

I'm also not seeing much to reply to here, I could also say "Yes I am" (and then you repeat back)

I mean you haven't really addressed any of my points so...

I've been addressing your points, it's just you won't stop tipping your fedora to see that I am.

Okay. Well let's see if anyone else has something to add because at this point I don't think you and I have much more to say.

[Infected Mushroom]

Didn't take long for most of the Germans in Nazi Germany to swing heavily in favor of the Nazis.

I'm pretty sure this has been debunked time and time again. The Nazis did not win any democratic elections, and did not come to power in a democratic or fair way.

Well... it just depends on what you consider fair

[Ifreann]

Well, besides everything about it.

>Free-thinking and independent
>Trades away rights for video games
You can only pick one.

I stand in a place where I can critically think about what benefits me personally and analyse the choices based on the practical consequences to society and myself. From where I'm standing, that's free and independent thinking.

I can't say the same about others. I feel that many people here have been to varying extents, indoctrinated by some kind of pro democratic propaganda where they aren't even ALLOWED to consider the two options in a truly impartial, consequentialist light. They keep referring to a "duty to vote" or a duty we supposedly owe to the Founding Fathers and speak about "freedom..." yet they are the ones who, for some reason, feel compelled to continue to exist as a cog in a giant machine that only offers them platitudes rather than actual benefits.

They fail to see that giving them a statistically insignificant vote once every election is nothing more than a mechanism of social control and that with any amount of critical thinking, you'll realise its something that for the right price, you should at least consider trading.

And when it was pointed out to you that one can pirate games for free without voting for anyone, your reply was that it was illegal.

Seems the pro-law propaganda you've been subject to is keeping you from real free and independent thinking.

[San Lumen]

You said earlier you'd trade freedoms if the right deal was given. Thats utterly reprehensible. You don't deserve to reside in a country like Canada. You don't appreciate the rights and privileges you have and the sacrifices thousands had to give to give you those rights. You also said you vote if you saw a benefit and didn't say what that was. Are you expecting some sort of reward for voting?

There's nothing reprehensible about trading your own personal rights if you think the benefits are high enough.

Its no different than someone deciding to move from the USA to say Russia or North Korea if they feel the offer is good enough.

We don't owe our own personal rights any absolute duty. There's nothing reprehensible about trading them if it makes sense in the right context.

I feel that you should adopt a more open-minded view. Personal rights are not usually something you can trade for material benefit (unless you move to another country for economic reasons lets say, i.e. an academic moving from Harvard to Kazakhstan to help develop a new university for triple the salary)... but when it comes down to it, its the same as anything else if given the opportunity.

We don't own any absolute duty to anyone (present or past) to keep those things. In the end, we are in control of our own lives and we have every right to make the choices that benefit us personally.

You don't have to be ruled by some imaginary dead hand of "the Founding Fathers." You can be a free-thinking, independent person who can critically decide what is the best option for yourself. You don't have to be some voting clog in a pointless machine if there is a better offer.

so you consider free video games a better offer than deciding who leads you? That's sad. Its even sadder that you;'d trade rights for petty nonsense like games. Your forefathers and those who fought for your country in the military would be crying hearing that. Some of them died so you have the rights your so willing to trade for nonsense.

When would you consider voting beneficial? If you got money for it or some other reward?

[Infected Mushroom]

There's nothing reprehensible about trading your own personal rights if you think the benefits are high enough.

Its no different than someone deciding to move from the USA to say Russia or North Korea if they feel the offer is good enough.

We don't owe our own personal rights any absolute duty. There's nothing reprehensible about trading them if it makes sense in the right context.

I feel that you should adopt a more open-minded view. Personal rights are not usually something you can trade for material benefit (unless you move to another country for economic reasons lets say, i.e. an academic moving from Harvard to Kazakhstan to help develop a new university for triple the salary)... but when it comes down to it, its the same as anything else if given the opportunity.

We don't own any absolute duty to anyone (present or past) to keep those things. In the end, we are in control of our own lives and we have every right to make the choices that benefit us personally.

You don't have to be ruled by some imaginary dead hand of "the Founding Fathers." You can be a free-thinking, independent person who can critically decide what is the best option for yourself. You don't have to be some voting clog in a pointless machine if there is a better offer.

so you consider free video games a better offer than deciding who leads you? That's sad. Its even sadder that you;'d trade rights for petty nonsense like games. Your forefathers and those who fought for your country in the military would be crying hearing that. Some of them died so you have the rights your so willing to trade for nonsense.

When would you consider voting beneficial? If you got money for it or some other reward?

so you consider free video games a better offer than deciding who leads you?

^^^

That's just misleading.

If my vote actually decided who ruled the country I wouldn't trade it for free video games. The problem is, it doesn't. Not even close.

So to me personally, its worthless.

I could care less what my forefathers or the military thinks of my life decisions. And honestly... neither should you in making your own choices. We are not meant to be ruled by the overreaching Hand of the Dead.

[Torrocca]

Didn't take long for most of the Germans in Nazi Germany to swing heavily in favor of the Nazis.

I'm pretty sure this has been debunked time and time again. The Nazis did not win any democratic elections, and did not come to power in a democratic or fair way.

You're gonna need to take a nice, long re-read of that, mate.

There's a reason I said Nazi Germany and not the Weimar Republic.

[San Lumen]

so you consider free video games a better offer than deciding who leads you? That's sad. Its even sadder that you;'d trade rights for petty nonsense like games. Your forefathers and those who fought for your country in the military would be crying hearing that. Some of them died so you have the rights your so willing to trade for nonsense.

When would you consider voting beneficial? If you got money for it or some other reward?

so you consider free video games a better offer than deciding who leads you?

^^^

That's just misleading.

If my vote actually decided who ruled the country I wouldn't trade it for free video games. The problem is, it doesn't. Not even close.

So to me personally, its worthless.

I could care less what my forefathers or the military thinks of my life decisions. And honestly... neither should you in making your own choices. We are not meant to be ruled by the overreaching Hand of the Dead.

Then you have a very selfish self centered attitude. Why don't we just rig elections so every election comes down to one vote?

[Nocturnalis]

(1) so you consider free video games a better offer than deciding who leads you? That's sad. Its even sadder that you;'d trade rights for petty nonsense like games. (3) Your forefathers and those who fought for your country in the military would be crying hearing that. (2) Some of them died so you have the rights your so willing to trade for nonsense.

(4) When would you consider voting beneficial? If you got money for it or some other reward?

1 - Canadians don't even decide who leads them. Tell me exactly how many people saw "Justin Trudeau" on their voting ballot in 2015.

2 - Oh yeah, tell me how my ancestors were safeguarding my rights by fighting the Boers, Boxers, Germans, and North Koreans, along with all those "peacekeeping" missions in other countries. Go on, tell me how the Suez Crisis or the wars in Yugoslavia could have impacted civil liberties in Canada. I'll wait.

3 - If anything, my ancestors would be crying more at seeing the state of this country rather than my personal decisions regarding voting.

4 - Yes.

[Ifreann]

(1) so you consider free video games a better offer than deciding who leads you? That's sad. Its even sadder that you;'d trade rights for petty nonsense like games. (3) Your forefathers and those who fought for your country in the military would be crying hearing that. (2) Some of them died so you have the rights your so willing to trade for nonsense.

(4) When would you consider voting beneficial? If you got money for it or some other reward?

1 - Canadians don't even decide who leads them. Tell me exactly how many people saw "Justin Trudeau" on their voting ballot in 2015.

51,468.

[Nocturnalis]

1 - Canadians don't even decide who leads them. Tell me exactly how many people saw "Justin Trudeau" on their voting ballot in 2015.

51,468.

Yes, I know the answer (partly because I happen to be one of those 51,468), but I was hoping for San Lumen to answer it. Oh well, thanks I guess.

I don't think there were any Nazis on my ballot two years ago - the main parties, a bunch of independents, and a Marxist-Leninist (these fucks still around?) - so all the better to take this bribe if the Nutsies can't even get someone on the ballot in my riding.

[Infected Mushroom]

^^^

That's just misleading.

If my vote actually decided who ruled the country I wouldn't trade it for free video games. The problem is, it doesn't. Not even close.

So to me personally, its worthless.

I could care less what my forefathers or the military thinks of my life decisions. And honestly... neither should you in making your own choices. We are not meant to be ruled by the overreaching Hand of the Dead.

Then you have a very selfish self centered attitude. Why don't we just rig elections so every election comes down to one vote?

Maybe...

Though whether we should or shouldn't... doesn't have much to do with the thread topic now does it?

[Infected Mushroom]

(1) so you consider free video games a better offer than deciding who leads you? That's sad. Its even sadder that you;'d trade rights for petty nonsense like games. (3) Your forefathers and those who fought for your country in the military would be crying hearing that. (2) Some of them died so you have the rights your so willing to trade for nonsense.

(4) When would you consider voting beneficial? If you got money for it or some other reward?

1 - Canadians don't even decide who leads them. Tell me exactly how many people saw "Justin Trudeau" on their voting ballot in 2015.

2 - Oh yeah, tell me how my ancestors were safeguarding my rights by fighting the Boers, Boxers, Germans, and North Koreans, along with all those "peacekeeping" missions in other countries. Go on, tell me how the Suez Crisis or the wars in Yugoslavia could have impacted civil liberties in Canada. I'll wait.

3 - If anything, my ancestors would be crying more at seeing the state of this country rather than my personal decisions regarding voting.

4 - Yes.

You make very good points

I don't understand San Lumen's obsession with what "ancestors will think"

[Infected Mushroom]

51,468.

Yes, I know the answer (partly because I happen to be one of those 51,468), but I was hoping for San Lumen to answer it. Oh well, thanks I guess.

I don't think there were any Nazis on my ballot two years ago - the main parties, a bunch of independents, and a Marxist-Leninist (these fucks still around?) - so all the better to take this bribe if the Nutsies can't even get someone on the ballot in my riding.

this is all very logical analysis

[Ifreann]

1 - Canadians don't even decide who leads them. Tell me exactly how many people saw "Justin Trudeau" on their voting ballot in 2015.

2 - Oh yeah, tell me how my ancestors were safeguarding my rights by fighting the Boers, Boxers, Germans, and North Koreans, along with all those "peacekeeping" missions in other countries. Go on, tell me how the Suez Crisis or the wars in Yugoslavia could have impacted civil liberties in Canada. I'll wait.

3 - If anything, my ancestors would be crying more at seeing the state of this country rather than my personal decisions regarding voting.

4 - Yes.

You make very good points

I don't understand San Lumen's obsession with what "ancestors will think"

It's effectively the same as your obsession with honour.

[San Lumen]

Then you have a very selfish self centered attitude. Why don't we just rig elections so every election comes down to one vote?

Maybe...

Though whether we should or shouldn't... doesn't have much to do with the thread topic now does it?

Why doesn't it have anything to do with the topic? its a perfectly relevant question. You think its pointless to vote unless a election is decided by one vote so why not rig every election so it comes down to one vote?

[Krasny-Volny]

My vote is not for sale. Even if it doesn't count for anything and gets wasted on a fringe party.

[Albynau]

I live in a non-battleground state in the United States and I've been voting third party my entire life so this doesn't change anything.

[Infected Mushroom]

Maybe...

Though whether we should or shouldn't... doesn't have much to do with the thread topic now does it?

Why doesn't it have anything to do with the topic? its a perfectly relevant question. You think its pointless to vote unless a election is decided by one vote so why not rig every election so it comes down to one vote?

its irrelevant because whether I answer "Yes we should rig every election" or "No we shouldn't rig every election" or "We should rig elections in X situations and not in Y situations" or "We should rig elections when Z conditions are met only"....

it doesn't lead to a logical conclusion about whether or not I should or shouldn't take the deal in the OP

Maybe I think elections should be rigged but I still choose to keep my right to vote (out of pride maybe)... or perhaps I think they shouldn't be rigged but I like the deal anyways... see the problem? There's no necessary logical nexus either way. The deal's got nothing to do with "rigging elections" in any meaningful sense, it simply adds 1 empty vote to a fringe party, that's not in any way the same thing as rigging an entire national election (and before you say, "well if everyone took the deal," everyone cannot take the deal, the OP says its offered to one person only).

Unless you explain how it does or doesn't (create a logical nexus to the topic), I don't think answering the question will further the inquiry

Either that or rephrase it so that its closely linked to the thread topic

[Gun Manufacturers]

Please consider the following hypothetical:

You can make the following binding magical deal.

You will get free video games for the rest of your life (ex New Battlefield came out? You can snap your fingers and get a free copy).

However, as a consequence, you will be obligated to, for the rest of your life, vote for the party in your political system that resembles the Nazis at all and any given point in time. The party might be a small almost non existent group or it could be a somewhat major political party, it just depends on what country you live in. Any time an election comes up, the electoral machine will magically consider it a Done Deal that you've already voted for the "Nazi" party. For the rest of your life you will be adding 1 vote to the far right wing... For many people, this means that your right to vote is gone.

Please note, the deal is being offered to You only.

Remember what we've all been trained to think. Remember people, the right to vote is sacred. The right to vote (every one person's vote) is essential to the functioning of democracy and for the sake of freedom. The Founding Fathers died (or at least had other people die) so that we can all cast a piece of paper every once in a while to decide which rich popular kid will rule the town. I am obligated to repeat this otherwise it wouldn't be a fair presentation of the scenario. Having said that...

...

Do you accept or not accept the deal? Please explain your justification either way.

Absolutely. Free video games? Absolutely excellent deal. I could benefit from this on a daily basis.

One vote every year for the Nazis really won't do anything. However, I understand that many people would feel that their right to vote is sacred (even though statistics show that their one vote does nothing). My one vote cannot change anything, even though its advertised as sacred. So I gladly forsake it.

Why the hell would I lock up my vote for something as paltry as video games? Especially if I'm forced to vote for a disgusting party like the Nazi party. Come back when you have a MUCH better offer.