FBI, Homeland Security warn of more Antifa attacks

[Aidannadia]

This article is using terms that are usually more specific for a broad strokes characterization of broadly different groups.

Anarchists are not always antif, antifa are not always anarchists. Sometimes for example, tankie Marxist-Leninist queer feminists engage in antifa activities, and such an individual would not in a million years want to be ideologically associated with an anarchist, for a variety of reasons, other than their combined opposition for fascists. Therefore, actually tracking 'antifa groups' will lead to a HUGE variation in beliefs and activities, from literally people just writing letters to political prisoners in the US that will sometimes attend antifa events to those that only engage in anti-capitalist, antifa, violence while calling for the violent overthrow of the government.

[Greater Sahul]

I am a little familiar with Antifa circles. They differ depending on their locale. But they are predominately ancom. Take note of the flags and symbols present at Antifa actions.

I mean, like I said, unless we have some official poll within the group (which, mind you, is disunited as all hell), there's no way of making that call.

I don't walk into a house party and ask for polling data before assuming the rough spread of partygoers age, gender, ethnicity etc. It's called common sense. Antifa are predominately ancoms. This is known among far-left circles.

[Torrocca]

I mean, like I said, unless we have some official poll within the group (which, mind you, is disunited as all hell), there's no way of making that call.

I don't walk into a house party and ask for polling data before assuming the rough spread of partygoers age, gender, ethnicity etc. It's called common sense. Antifa are predominately ancoms. This is known among far-left circles.

Y'know, assuming what your foes and allies want is a good way of getting yourself fucked over down the road.

[Angbhand]

Here's hoping antifa AGs continue to keep nazis and fascists running scared and unemployed for years to come.

[Canton Empire]

A) I never said the Panthers weren't violent, mate.
B) I believe they think they stand for the US and for those who are oppressed. Whether or not they do or don't is entirely up for debate.

they don't like the US government and capitalism, da fuck you mean "stand for the US"

I didn't know burning American flags was being "Pro-USA"

Yeah, in the US flags are supposed to be disposed of through burning.

[Kramania]

Fascists, conservatives, centrists, capitalists, classical liberals, Christians, straight white males.

Yeah, they dislike a lot of people.

What a shame for those guys then.

Also, source on like all of those?

The last one was a bit of a joke. But what? Would you like links to Antifa showing up at free speech rallies, the No To Marxism rally and conservative speeches on college campuses?

Or do you just want a list of the people they don't like?

[Torrocca]

What a shame for those guys then.

Also, source on like all of those?

The last one was a bit of a joke. But what? Would you like links to Antifa showing up at free speech rallies, the No To Marxism rally and conservative speeches on college campuses?

Or do you just want a list of the people they don't like?

I'd just like some proof they hate those groups.

[Greater Sahul]

I don't walk into a house party and ask for polling data before assuming the rough spread of partygoers age, gender, ethnicity etc. It's called common sense. Antifa are predominately ancoms. This is known among far-left circles.

Y'know, assuming what your foes and allies want is a good way of getting yourself fucked over down the road.

So let us assume nothing and live in a perpetual state of doubt. Very impractical and very French post-modernism. And you call yourself a socialist.

[Kramania]

Oh, you're one of those types.

I simply don't understand your definition of terrorism. Is it simply "political enemies of mine that use a degree of violence"?

"A degree of violence"

You're a socialist, yes? Or I assume you are.

Do you mind Antifa using violence? Yes or no answers only, please.

Loyalty to what? Social constructs that have no meaning?

I did not expect someone with a Sonnenrade to speak so much like a postmodern cultural Marxist. I am amused, thank you.

My flag is purely for RP purposes, but thank you.

I thought only right-wingers used the phrase "cultural Marxism".

How very interesting.

[Aidannadia]

The last one was a bit of a joke. But what? Would you like links to Antifa showing up at free speech rallies, the No To Marxism rally and conservative speeches on college campuses?

Or do you just want a list of the people they don't like?

It's significant to realize how those rallies are named though. Considering the modern use of 'cultural marxism' to discuss the gradual shift away from conservative social values, and the fact that what is called a 'free speech rally' has more to do with yelling slurs at people and just generally being rather bothersome, I don't really think protesting against those events is that radical, extreme, or violent.

[Greater Sahul]

I simply don't understand your definition of terrorism. Is it simply "political enemies of mine that use a degree of violence"?

"A degree of violence"

You're a socialist, yes? Or I assume you are.

Do you mind Antifa using violence? Yes or no answers only, please.

My issue with Antifa is that the American network is highly disorganised, strategically and ideologically. That is my issue, not the violence they use. Now what is your definition of terrorist?

I thought only right-wingers used the phrase "cultural Marxism".

How very interesting.

No, it has a real meaning. It's traced back to the Frankfurt School, and the derivatives thereof, who took Gramsci's writings and ran amuck with them on the CIA payroll.

[Kramania]

The last one was a bit of a joke. But what? Would you like links to Antifa showing up at free speech rallies, the No To Marxism rally and conservative speeches on college campuses?

Or do you just want a list of the people they don't like?

I'd just like some proof they hate those groups.

Aside from reading the article I provided, just Google Antifa violence.

You'll find they beat the shit out of all kinds of people.

[Kramania]

The last one was a bit of a joke. But what? Would you like links to Antifa showing up at free speech rallies, the No To Marxism rally and conservative speeches on college campuses?

Or do you just want a list of the people they don't like?

It's significant to realize how those rallies are named though. Considering the modern use of 'cultural marxism' to discuss the gradual shift away from conservative social values, and the fact that what is called a 'free speech rally' has more to do with yelling slurs at people and just generally being rather bothersome, I don't really think protesting against those events is that radical, extreme, or violent.

It doesn't really matter what you think.

Their acts of violence speak for themselves, and you desperately trying to make excuses for them speaks quite a bit about you.

[Kramania]

"A degree of violence"

You're a socialist, yes? Or I assume you are.

Do you mind Antifa using violence? Yes or no answers only, please.

My issue with Antifa is that the American network is highly disorganised, strategically and ideologically. That is my issue, not the violence they use.

So you don't mind political violence and intimidation. How predictable.

Just know that you reap what you sow.

Now what is your definition of terrorist?

The use of violence by non-state entities in order to intimidate and instill fear in people.

I thought only right-wingers used the phrase "cultural Marxism".

How very interesting.

No, it has a real meaning. It's traced back to the Frankfurt School, and the derivatives thereof, who took Gramsci's writings and ran amuck with them on the CIA payroll.

Hm. I'm detecting conspiracy theories and pseudo-intellectualism.

Are you a college professor?

[Aidannadia]

It doesn't really matter what you think.

Their acts of violence speak for themselves, and you desperately trying to make excuses for them speaks quite a bit about you.

You misunderstand. It's not about what I think, it's promoting a decent discussion about the topic instead of simply dodging actual arguments and baiting each other, because I rather like seeing good discourse.

I don't have any problem with violence by antifa, and would love to see more of them being active, as the movements actions have been rather limited. This is neither here nor there, since that's not why I'm posting here.

[Kramania]

I'm off to bed. I'll continue this tomorrow.

[Greater Sahul]

My issue with Antifa is that the American network is highly disorganised, strategically and ideologically. That is my issue, not the violence they use.

So you don't mind political violence and intimidation. How predictable.

Just know that you reap what you sow.

Now what is your definition of terrorist?

The use of violence by non-state entities in order to intimidate and instill fear in people.

So we have roughly the same position. Except you are a hypocrite and I am not.

Hm. I'm detecting conspiracy theories and pseudo-intellectualism.

Are you a college professor?

No I am not.

[Kramania]

It doesn't really matter what you think.

Their acts of violence speak for themselves, and you desperately trying to make excuses for them speaks quite a bit about you.

You misunderstand. It's not about what I think, it's promoting a decent discussion about the topic instead of simply dodging actual arguments and baiting each other, because I rather like seeing good discourse.

I don't have any problem with violence by antifa, and would love to see more of them being active, as the movements actions have been rather limited. This is neither here nor there, since that's not why I'm posting here.

And I would love for all those who advocate, encourage or otherwise condone political violence to have it unleashed upon themselves instead of sitting in their comfortable rooms happily spewing bile on the internet while people get their heads cracked open for voicing their views, free from any consequence whatsoever.

Goodnight.

[Kramania]

So you don't mind political violence and intimidation. How predictable.

Just know that you reap what you sow.


The use of violence by non-state entities in order to intimidate and instill fear in people.

So we have roughly the same position. Except you are a hypocrite and I am not.

Don't use words you don't know the meaning for.

Hm. I'm detecting conspiracy theories and pseudo-intellectualism.

Are you a college professor?

No I am not.

Surprising.

Okay, now I'm really going to bed.

Goodnight.

[Torrocca]

I'd just like some proof they hate those groups.

Aside from reading the article I provided, just Google Antifa violence.

You'll find they beat the shit out of all kinds of people.

Or you could provide the proof I asked for.

Y'know, assuming what your foes and allies want is a good way of getting yourself fucked over down the road.

So let us assume nothing and live in a perpetual state of doubt. Very impractical and very French post-modernism. And you call yourself a socialist.

Nah. Assume the best, and at the same time assume the worst; try to guess the intentions of your friends and your foes on both ends, but don't act on either assumptions without appropriate reason. Otherwise that's how you end up stabbing your friend in the back and in turn getting your throat cut by your foe.

Also, I sure don't call myself a Socialist. I'm a full-blooded Communist.

[Greater Sahul]

Aside from reading the article I provided, just Google Antifa violence.

You'll find they beat the shit out of all kinds of people.

Or you could provide the proof I asked for.

So let us assume nothing and live in a perpetual state of doubt. Very impractical and very French post-modernism. And you call yourself a socialist.

Nah. Assume the best, and at the same time assume the worst; try to guess the intentions of your friends and your foes on both ends, but don't act on either assumptions without appropriate reason. Otherwise that's how you end up stabbing your friend in the back and in turn getting your throat cut by your foe.

Also, I sure don't call myself a Socialist. I'm a full-blooded Communist.

How is assuming antifa is predominately anarchist, based on what I see around me all the time, going to kill me?

What sort of communist are you?

[Torrocca]

Or you could provide the proof I asked for.



Nah. Assume the best, and at the same time assume the worst; try to guess the intentions of your friends and your foes on both ends, but don't act on either assumptions without appropriate reason. Otherwise that's how you end up stabbing your friend in the back and in turn getting your throat cut by your foe.

Also, I sure don't call myself a Socialist. I'm a full-blooded Communist.

How is assuming antifa is predominately anarchist, based on what I see around me all the time, going to kill me?

What sort of communist are you?

Unless AntiFA is specifically acting to dismantle the government entire, you might be inadvertently screwing over your allies within the group by dismissing them as reckless Anarchists.

The friendly, non-Tankie kind that supports peaceful, cooperative revolutions.

[Pope Joan]

The mayor of Berkeley CA is cracking down on free speech, greatly limiting it, out of fear of the antifa.

Something is wrong here, and I do not think it is the speakers (with whom I disagree)

[Fantoa]

Anymore my views of Antifia have grown some what more positive. In the past 8-9 years the extreme right has grown more violent and now no longer hides in the shadows, now that they have some one in DC that will defend them and use "Whataboutism" as an excuse.

The OPs entire argument directly uses Whataboutism and has proven unable to defend his own arguments with out attempting to deflect and blame others while ignoring the direct realities that neo-nazis and white supremacists now only help to entice and inflame tensions and use violence.

Effectively this entire thread can be ended with "Pot, meet kettle".

[The Alma Mater]

As the nazi symphatisers rose to power, the government started to issue warnings about people opposing nazis.

How utterly unexpected.