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Postby Kramania » Sat Sep 02, 2017 12:56 pm

Yep.
Federal authorities have been warning state and local officials since early 2016 that leftist extremists known as “antifa” had become increasingly confrontational and dangerous, so much so that the Department of Homeland Security formally classified their activities as “domestic terrorist violence,” according to interviews and confidential law enforcement documents obtained by POLITICO.

Since well before the Aug. 12 rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, turned deadly, DHS has been issuing warnings about the growing likelihood of lethal violence between the left-wing anarchists and right-wing white supremacist and nationalist groups.

Previously unreported documents disclose that by April 2016, authorities believed that “anarchist extremists” were the primary instigators of violence at public rallies against a range of targets. They were blamed by authorities for attacks on the police, government and political institutions, along with symbols of “the capitalist system,” racism, social injustice and fascism, according to a confidential 2016 joint intelligence assessment by DHS and the FBI.

After President Donald Trump’s election in November, the antifa activists locked onto another target — his supporters, especially those from white supremacist and nationalist groups suddenly turning out in droves to hail his victory, support crackdowns on immigrants and Muslims and to protest efforts to remove symbols of the Confederacy.

Those reports appear to bolster Trump’s insistence that extremists on the left bore some blame for the clashes in Charlottesville and represent a “problem” nationally. But they also reflect the extent that his own political movement has spurred the violent backlash.

In interviews, law enforcement authorities made clear that Trump’s inflammatory rhetoric and policies — first as a candidate and then as president — helped to create a situation that has escalated so quickly and extensively that they do not have a handle on it.

“It was in that period [as the Trump campaign emerged] that we really became aware of them,” said one senior law enforcement official tracking domestic extremists in a state that has become a front line in clashes between the groups. “These antifa guys were showing up with weapons, shields and bike helmets and just beating the shit out of people. … They’re using Molotov cocktails, they’re starting fires, they’re throwing bombs and smashing windows.”

Almost immediately, the right-wing targets of the antifa attacks began fighting back, bringing more and larger weapons and launching unprovoked attacks of their own, the documents and interviews show. And the extremists on both sides have been using the confrontations, especially since Charlottesville, to recruit unprecedented numbers of new members, raise money and threaten more confrontations, they say.

“Everybody is wondering, 'What are we gonna do? How are we gonna deal with this?'” said the senior state law enforcement official. “Every time they have one of these protests where both sides are bringing guns, there are sphincters tightening in my world. Emotions get high, and fingers get twitchy on the trigger.”

Even before Charlottesville, dozens and, in some cases, hundreds of people on both sides showed up at events in Texas, California, Oregon and elsewhere, carrying weapons and looking for a fight. In the Texas capital of Austin, armed antifa protesters attacked Trump supporters and white groups at several recent rallies, and then swarmed police in a successful effort to stop them from making arrests.

California has become another battleground, with violent confrontations in Berkeley, Sacramento and Orange County leading to numerous injuries. And antifa counter-protesters initiated attacks in two previous clashes in Charlottesville, according to the law enforcement reports and interviews.

Rallies are scheduled over the next few months across the country, including in Texas, Oregon, Missouri and Florida. Authorities are particularly concerned about those in states where virtually anyone, including activists under investigation for instigating violence, can brandish assault rifles in public.

Tensions have gotten so heated that after activists traded accusations after Charlottesville, a rumor circulated online that antifa would try and shut down the massive Sturgis, South Dakota, motorcycle rally because there were too many Confederate flags and Trump signs. It wasn’t true, but it prompted an outpouring of pleas by attendees for anti-fascists to come so they could assault them. One displayed a “Sturgis Survival Kit” for potential antifa protesters, complete with a tourniquet, morphine, body cast and defibrillator.

“Both the racists and a segment of violent antifa counter-protestors are amped for battle in an escalating arms race, where police departments are outmaneuvered, resulting in increasingly violent dangerous confrontations,” said former New York City police officer Brian Levin, who has been monitoring domestic militants for 31 years, now at the Center for the Study of Hate and Extremism at California State University, San Bernardino. “It’s an orchestrated dance. The rallies spill over into social media and then even more people show up at the next rally primed for violent confrontation.”

In recent decades, authorities have focused almost exclusively on right-wing groups as the most likely instigators of domestic terrorist violence, especially since Timothy McVeigh blew up the Oklahoma City federal building in 1995, killing 168 people.


More recently, the antifa groups, which some describe as the Anti-Fascist Action Network, have evolved out of the leftist anti-government groups like “Black bloc,” protesters clad in black and wearing masks that caused violence at events like the 1999 Seattle World Trade Organization protests. They claim to have no leader and no hierarchy, but authorities following them believe they are organized via decentralized networks of cells that coordinate with each other. Often, they spend weeks planning for violence at upcoming events, according to the April 2016 DHS and FBI report entitled “Baseline Comparison of US and Foreign Anarchist Extremist Movements.”

Dozens of armed anti-fascist groups have emerged, including Redneck Revolt and the Red Guards, according to the reports and interviews. One report from New Jersey authorities said self-described antifa groups have been established in cities including New York, Philadelphia, Chicago and San Francisco.

Some of the DHS and FBI intelligence reports began flagging the antifa protesters before the election. In one from last September, portions of which were read to POLITICO, DHS studied “recent violent clashes … at lawfully organized white supremacist” events including a June 2016 rally at the California Capitol in Sacramento organized by the Traditionalist Workers Party and its affiliate, the Golden State Skinheads.

According to police, counter-protesters linked to antifa and affiliated groups like By Any Means Necessary attacked, causing a riot after which at least 10 people were hospitalized, some with stab wounds.

At the Sacramento rally, antifa protesters came looking for violence, and “engaged in several activities indicating proficiency in pre-operational planning, to include organizing carpools to travel from different locations, raising bail money in preparation for arrests, counter-surveilling law enforcement using three-man scout teams, using handheld radios for communication, and coordinating the event via social media,” the DHS report said.

The intelligence assessments focus less on guns than handmade weapons used by antifa, with photos of members brandishing ax handles and shields, often with industrial-sized bolts attached to create crude bayonets. A senior state law enforcement official said, “A whole bunch of them” have been deemed dangerous enough to be placed on U.S. terrorism watch lists.

The FBI and DHS had no comment on that, or on any aspect of the assessments, saying they were not intended to be made public.

By the spring of 2016, the anarchist groups had become so aggressive, including making armed attacks on individuals and small groups of perceived enemies, that federal officials launched a global investigation with the help of the U.S. intelligence community, according to the DHS and FBI assessment.

The purpose of the investigation, according to the April 2016 assessment: To determine whether the U.S.-based anarchists might start committing terrorist bombings like their counterparts in “foreign anarchist extremist movements” in Greece, Italy and Mexico, possibly at the Republican and Democratic conventions that summer.

Some of the antifa activists have gone overseas to train and fight with fellow anarchist organizations, including two Turkey-based groups fighting the Islamic State, according to interviews and internet postings.

In their April 2016 assessment, the DHS and FBI said the anarchist groups would likely become more lethal if “fascist, nationalist, racist or anti-immigrant parties obtain greater prominence or local political power in the United States, leading to anti-racist violent backlash from anarchist extremists.”

The assessment also said the anarchist groups could become more aggressive if they seek to “retaliate violently to a violent act by a white supremacist extremist or group,” they acquire more powerful weapons or they obtain the financial means to travel abroad and learn more violent tactics.

Several state law enforcement officials said that all of those accelerating factors have come to pass. And recent FBI and DHS reports confirm they are actively monitoring “conduct deemed potentially suspicious and indicative of terrorist activity” by antifa groups.


But one of the internal assessments acknowledged several significant “intelligence gaps,” including an inability to penetrate the groups’ “diffuse and decentralized organizational structure,” which made it difficult for law enforcement to identify violent groups and individuals. Authorities also “lack information to identify the travel patterns linking U.S. and foreign anarchist extremists,” the assessment said.

The two agencies also said in their April 2016 assessment that many of the activities the groups engaged in “are not within the purview of FBI and DHS collection” due to civil liberties and privacy protections, including participating in training camps, holding meetings and communicating online.

In another assessment this past August, DHS warned about the potential for unprecedented violence at Charlottesville. The agency also acknowledged gaps in its understanding of antifa, saying it had only “medium confidence” in its assessments regarding both the affiliations among the various groups and the motivation of attackers.

Said one senior New Jersey law enforcement official following the antifa groups: “There’s a lot more we don’t know about these groups than what we do know about them.”

It's surprising how dangerous a bunch of losers living out of their mother's basements can be, is it not?

While we focus on the dangers of white supremacists (and their dangers were certainly proven at Charlottesville) we should also not avoid the dangers posed by left-wing extremists such as Antifa. They've become increasingly emboldened and their attacks have become more frequent, so much so that they've caught the attention of both the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security. My only concern is why this was not made public earlier. It is somewhat surprising that, considering this was put out in early 2016, it is only now coming to light. With all the leaks coming from the government, no one saw the merit of leaking this? How disappointing. If we have domestic terrorists in our midst we deserve to be made aware of their potential for more acts of violence. I think Antifa needs to be cracked down upon as hard as possible to avoid more attacks and the potential for more civil unrest.

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Postby USS Monitor » Sat Sep 02, 2017 1:01 pm

Kramania wrote:It's surprising how dangerous a bunch of losers living out of their mother's basements can be, is it not?

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Postby Greed and Death » Sat Sep 02, 2017 1:15 pm

Its not a good start when you get warned in your own OP.

I always waited a page or two.


Anyways, with luck Trump will arrest and imprison enough AntiFa people to keep them from voting in the future.
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Postby Greed and Death » Sat Sep 02, 2017 1:15 pm

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You have to fix the small problems before normalizing the big ones.
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Postby Kramania » Sat Sep 02, 2017 1:17 pm

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So, because of that, we shouldn't be worried about Antifa?

Cool. I guess we'll just have to wait until Antifa kills a few people before worrying about it.

Also, would it kill you to spoiler that?
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Postby Kramania » Sat Sep 02, 2017 1:17 pm

Greed and Death wrote:Its not a good start when you get warned in your own OP.

I always waited a page or two.

Thanks, Greed.
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Postby Kash Island » Sat Sep 02, 2017 1:18 pm

ANTIFA has been a problem for some time now, even before the election.
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Postby Nexus of All Realities » Sat Sep 02, 2017 1:23 pm

I'm sure they still have plenty of support in the media. That will never change. Whatever they do it will be distorted in their favor.
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"Source: Anti-Defamation League"

Good one.
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Postby Rusozak » Sat Sep 02, 2017 2:02 pm

Or we forget the whole "who is worst" argument and keep watch over anyone that would be categorized as an extremist. Right or left, all that's really different when it comes to extremists is who they try to kill and what they shout before they kill someone.
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"Source: Anti-Defamation League"

Good one.

The ADL isn't that bad. This nation is more right wing so it would stand to reason that we would have more right wing terror than left but that's not to mean that we should just ignore the left wing terror attacks. They should both be dealt with the same force
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Rusozak wrote:Or we forget the whole "who is worst" argument and keep watch over anyone that would be categorized as an extremist. Right or left, all that's really different when it comes to extremists is who they try to kill and what they shout before they kill someone.

Ah a voice of reason
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At the Sacramento rally, antifa protesters came looking for violence, and “engaged in several activities indicating proficiency in pre-operational planning, to include organizing carpools to travel from different locations, raising bail money in preparation for arrests, counter-surveilling law enforcement using three-man scout teams, using handheld radios for communication, and coordinating the event via social media,” the DHS report said.

It owns that "raising bail money" and "carpooling" are actions of violence to the govt

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Postby Kash Island » Sat Sep 02, 2017 2:59 pm

MERIZoC wrote:
At the Sacramento rally, antifa protesters came looking for violence, and “engaged in several activities indicating proficiency in pre-operational planning, to include organizing carpools to travel from different locations, raising bail money in preparation for arrests, counter-surveilling law enforcement using three-man scout teams, using handheld radios for communication, and coordinating the event via social media,” the DHS report said.

It owns that "raising bail money" and "carpooling" are actions of violence to the govt


It clearly states that the event was organized for violence.
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Sat Sep 02, 2017 3:31 pm

These Antifa must be crushed like the terrorists they are
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Postby Empire of Cats » Sat Sep 02, 2017 3:39 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:These Antifa must be crushed like the terrorists they are


.....so, what exactly is keeping you from it? And yes, I'm being serious.

If ANTIFA is such a threat (and yes, they are thugs), then why hasn't the right really, truly pushed through Congress or a legislative body a means of declaring them domestic terrorists? You do control the House, Senate, and Presidency, after all.

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I thought the US government wasn't allowed to declare any group that wasn't Islamic a terrorist group.
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Vassenor wrote:I thought the US government wasn't allowed to declare any group that wasn't Islamic a terrorist group.


Well, they sure did it with the Black Panther Party. Something threatening about having minorities stand up for themselves, I guess.

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Vassenor wrote:I thought the US government wasn't allowed to declare any group that wasn't Islamic a terrorist group.

Wrong. It has to satisfy two criteria to be a terrorist group:

1. violent influence of the political system
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Postby Chiggers » Sat Sep 02, 2017 3:48 pm

I worry that this is merely to hush those with dissent, as a way to say "look, we made them a terrorist group, can you all ignore everything they're doing now?", but the dumb part of me still wants to believe they did this because they actually don't like antifa.

I'll probably be proven wrong, and thus gain less of a will to live.

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Postby Kash Island » Sat Sep 02, 2017 3:49 pm

Chiggers wrote:I worry that this is merely to hush those with dissent, as a way to say "look, we made them a terrorist group, can you all ignore everything they're doing now?", but the dumb part of me still wants to believe they did this because they actually don't like antifa.

I'll probably be proven wrong, and thus gain less of a will to live.


are you saying DHS is in some kind of conspiracy?
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Kash Island wrote:
Chiggers wrote:I worry that this is merely to hush those with dissent, as a way to say "look, we made them a terrorist group, can you all ignore everything they're doing now?", but the dumb part of me still wants to believe they did this because they actually don't like antifa.

I'll probably be proven wrong, and thus gain less of a will to live.


are you saying DHS is in some kind of conspiracy?


Why not? If there's some sort of globalization conspiracy, Hillary Clinton body count, Seth Rich conspiracy theory, why not the DHS?

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Empire of Cats wrote:
Kash Island wrote:
are you saying DHS is in some kind of conspiracy?


Why not? If there's some sort of globalization conspiracy, Hillary Clinton body count, Seth Rich conspiracy theory, why not the DHS?


What does DHS have to gain?
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Postby Empire of Cats » Sat Sep 02, 2017 3:57 pm

Kash Island wrote:
Empire of Cats wrote:
Why not? If there's some sort of globalization conspiracy, Hillary Clinton body count, Seth Rich conspiracy theory, why not the DHS?


What does DHS have to gain?


What do they have to lose? In this world of craziness, with everybody calling each other "Fake News", who's to say what's real and what isn't?

Nevertheless, my point is that with all sorts of conspiracy theories out there, there could very well be one drawn up here.
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