Catalonia Megathread: Should Catalonia Separate From Spain?

[Dumb Ideologies]

The French should send them aid, but only in the form of cheese. I need the headline Fromage to Catalonia in my life.

[Lonograd]

[Infected Mushroom]

Wouldn't secession from Spain be treason?

[Vivolkha]

I think you can't really compare the situation in Catalonia with any currently unrecognized state. Those either have a country supporting them (mostly Russia) with economic and military aid, or the state they seceded from is too weak to impose their rule (Somalia with Somaliland).
https://freedomhouse.org/report/freedom ... ansnistria
Since Transnistria has been brought up... it holds elections but they're not free, and the state is essentially an economic monopoly held by a company named Sheriff Enterprises, which also has considerable political influence. Definitely not what I want to see in Catalonia.
A Catalan state has been declared quite a lot of times in the last 200-300 years, and in the end Spain always ended up imposing its rule again. One day we will be independent, but this might not be the time.

[The Huskar Social Union]

The French should send them aid, but only in the form of cheese. I need the headline Fromage to Catalonia in my life.

Allex is the residential frenchie, we should send him to do it

[Aellex]

Allex is the residential frenchie, we should send him to do it

Well, just be aware us Francos have a tendency to annex the places where we "Restore Order".

[Pasong Tirad]

Allex is the residential frenchie, we should send him to do it

Well, just be aware us Francos have a tendency to annex the places where we "Restore Order".

Oh sure, when France does it it's to restore order, but when Rajoy tries to do it it's "argument of force" or "Spanish Inquisition."

[Sovaal]

The French should send them aid, but only in the form of cheese. I need the headline Fromage to Catalonia in my life.

So you mean biological weapons? You monster!

[Risen Prussia]

The French should send them aid, but only in the form of cheese. I need the headline Fromage to Catalonia in my life.

So you mean biological weapons? You monster!

LOL this chat

[Nusakarta]

Catalonians are fighting for independence and they've been putting up a fight for it for hundreds of years. I say, Catalonia has the right to secede.

[Socialist Czechia]

Own Wikipedia page already. Yay.

[Sovaal]

Own Wikipedia page already. Yay.

That's a lot of red.

Also, does siad Catalan Republic even have a military force? A militia even?

[The Huskar Social Union]

Own Wikipedia page already. Yay.

That's a lot of red.

Also, does siad Catalan Republic even have a military force? A militia even?

I guess it has its police forces, thats about i i reckon.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Own Wikipedia page already. Yay.

I'm just waiting for Belgium to say 'Yeah, you know, we're going to recognise the Catalan Republic', lasting all of five minutes before disappearing into a puff of smoke and three constituent republics.

[Problemo]

Why do I have the nagging feeling that ten years down the line Spain might retain Catalonia but lose its monarchy due to events that transpire in the process? Maybe because I've seen it happen elsewhere?

[Socialist Czechia]

Own Wikipedia page already. Yay.

That's a lot of red.

Also, does siad Catalan Republic even have a military force? A militia even?

There is still some uncertainty if Mossos will obey orders from Puigdemont and therefore 17 000 armed rebels will happen. Tanks and APCs and some 'Operation Storm' is then a certainty, I suppose.
But there are also Catalan commanders in the regular Army. If this Mossos will turn their weapons against Rajoy, throughout purge will happen in Erdoganish style.

So funny times are before us.

[Problemo]

That's a lot of red.

Also, does siad Catalan Republic even have a military force? A militia even?

I guess it has its police forces, thats about i i reckon.

The police (Mossos d'Esquadra) was formed from Civilian militias founded in the 1700's.

[Sovaal]

That's a lot of red.

Also, does siad Catalan Republic even have a military force? A militia even?

There is still some uncertainty if Mossos will obey orders from Puigdemont and therefore 17 000 armed rebels will happen. Tanks and APCs and some 'Operation Storm' is then a certainty, I suppose.
But there are also Catalan commanders in the regular Army. If this Mossos will turn their weapons against Rajoy, throughout purge will happen in Erdoganish style.

So funny times are before us.

So at most 20,000 against the Spanish Military, which has what, 100,000 personnel, along with an air force and Navy. I feel that this is just going to end up like the last time Catalonia revolted against the government.

[Sovaal]

I guess it has its police forces, thats about i i reckon.

The police (Mossos d'Esquadra) was formed from Civilian militias founded in the 1700's.

But do they have military training and equipment?

[Socialist Czechia]

There is still some uncertainty if Mossos will obey orders from Puigdemont and therefore 17 000 armed rebels will happen. Tanks and APCs and some 'Operation Storm' is then a certainty, I suppose.
But there are also Catalan commanders in the regular Army. If this Mossos will turn their weapons against Rajoy, throughout purge will happen in Erdoganish style.

So funny times are before us.

So at most 20,000 against the Spanish Military, which has what, 100,000 personnel, along with an air force and Navy. I feel that this is just going to end up like the last time Catalonia revolted against the government.

Sadly for Spaniards, they can't just crush the rebels with fire and gore like in ol' good times

[Sovaal]

So at most 20,000 against the Spanish Military, which has what, 100,000 personnel, along with an air force and Navy. I feel that this is just going to end up like the last time Catalonia revolted against the government.

Sadly for Spaniards, they can't just crush the rebels with fire and gore like in ol' good times

Never know, they might do it anyway.

[Pasong Tirad]

Own Wikipedia page already. Yay.

Interesting response from Slovenia. I guess it would be hypocritical of them to not recognize the right of peoples to self-determination.

[Problemo]

So at most 20,000 against the Spanish Military, which has what, 100,000 personnel, along with an air force and Navy. I feel that this is just going to end up like the last time Catalonia revolted against the government.

Sadly for Spaniards, they can't just crush the rebels with fire and gore like in ol' good times

In the "good old times," France and England would probably be on opposite sides of the issue and probably using this as an opportunity to attack the Spanish Armada.

[Problemo]

Own Wikipedia page already. Yay.

Interesting response from Slovenia. I guess it would be hypocritical of them to not recognize the right of peoples to self-determination.

What has Slovenia said? I don't see anything on the wiki page.

Edit: Okay: https://www.vilaweb.cat/noticies/sloven ... -sd-party/

[Vivolkha]

Catalonia has no proper army defending it, and even president Puigdemont was criticized for saying that an independent Catalonia should have one.
On the other side though, Spain can't use the army to crush Catalonia without some serious international consequences, and the government knows it. This is gonna be fought with legal force instead of military force, I'd say.