Catalonia Megathread: Should Catalonia Separate From Spain?

[Thermodolia]

Fixed that for ya

How? The Rainbow Warrior was on it's way to a protest of nuclear tests.

Greenpeace is an eco-terrorist group. The French did nothing wrong and testing nuclear weapons isn't bad.

[Thermodolia]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-41771294

Rajoy: "What would have been the awnser in any country around us in a similar situation?........like France or Germany"

That's a very interesting question, but unfortunately it's only hypothetical as Western/central Europe hasn't seen any independence referendums for over 30 years. What?...Scotland? Never heard of it.

The French? The French would squash any independence referendum the moment someone said "independence!"

[Thermodolia]

... and the catalonian parliament declared independence.
It's almost like Madrid wants them to secede, I swear.

Catalonian independent movement is full of fuck idiots. It's like they want to economically collapse Spain. And in a very real possibility the EU, worst case scenario EU collapses and triggers a world wide economic depression. And to some the worst case scenario will be the inevitable rise of the right wing.

Depending on how bad this goes I could definitely see Le Pen being elected in France. Germany will probably be next.

This is what happens when you act like a bunch of spoiled kids. The all or nothing attitude never ends well.

[Aellex]

The French? The French would squash any independence referendum the moment someone said "independence!"

>implying we still have independence movements today anyway
Thanks you based Jules Ferry, you did absolutely nothing wrong!

[Aellex]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-41780116

In a vote boycotted by the opposition, the pro-secessionists have said they’re out of Spain.

Shit, Hugo really was right when he said that History repeats itself twice, first as a tragedy then as a farce.
Well, it seems like the loyalists won't have any problems winning that particular civil war.

[Trumptonium]

The fact that catalonia declared independence 3 hours ago and nobody cares about it signifies that it's just the next chechnya but without war

it's funny actually because they would have much more support straight after the referendum and a couple of rogue anti-west countries would love to recognise it formally just to shit on the eu

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

The fact that catalonia declared independence 3 hours ago and nobody cares about it signifies that it's just the next chechnya but without war

it's funny actually because they would have much more support straight after the referendum and a couple of rogue anti-west countries would love to recognise it formally just to shit on the eu

Nobody cares? Where did you get that idea? It makes headlines all over.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Whelp, shit just hit the fan.

Best of luck to the Catalonians.

[Thermodolia]

It's done. Catalonia is no longer autonomous https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/a- ... story.html

[Thermodolia]

The fact that catalonia declared independence 3 hours ago and nobody cares about it signifies that it's just the next chechnya but without war

it's funny actually because they would have much more support straight after the referendum and a couple of rogue anti-west countries would love to recognise it formally just to shit on the eu

Pretty much. There's a bunch of people within the Catalonian parliament who are claiming that this vote is a coup. They've fucked themselves waiting this long

[G-Tech Corporation]

The fact that catalonia declared independence 3 hours ago and nobody cares about it signifies that it's just the next chechnya but without war

it's funny actually because they would have much more support straight after the referendum and a couple of rogue anti-west countries would love to recognise it formally just to shit on the eu

Pretty much. There's a bunch of people within the Catalonian parliament who are claiming that this vote is a coup. They've fucked themselves waiting this long

Yeah, it was rough. I can understand why the Catalonians hoped for reasonable dialogue on devolving more powers instead of full independence, but a clean break might have gotten more popular support and momentum.

[Vistulange]

Instead of getting involved in a screaming contest, I will utter two things.

The Montevideo Convention on the Rights and Duties of States (1933), and the Arbitration Commission of the Peace Conference on Yugoslavia (1991).

[Lord of The Rings]

I wish the Catalans the best with well earned their new state. Let's hope it will be able to resist any aggressive moves from Spain and that it may become the country they fought for.

[The East Marches II]

Instead of getting involved in a screaming contest, I will utter two things.

The Montevideo Convention on the Rights and Duties of States (1933), and the Arbitration Commission of the Peace Conference on Yugoslavia (1991).

Both of which have done much :^)

[Thermodolia]

I wish the Catalans the best with well earned their new state. Let's hope it will be able to resist any aggressive moves from Spain and that it may become the country they fought for.

And simultaneously usually collapse the entire EU. I'm sure that's something they didn't expect to happen when they voted. And they are no longer apart of the EU

[Vistulange]

Instead of getting involved in a screaming contest, I will utter two things.

The Montevideo Convention on the Rights and Duties of States (1933), and the Arbitration Commission of the Peace Conference on Yugoslavia (1991).

Both of which have done much :^)

It's meant to provide an answer to the constant argument of "it's legal!!!" "no its not!", not the political aspects of it. The politics, I frankly don't care about.

Also, interestingly enough, states mostly obey treaties they are parties to, for various reasons. The source for that claim is Louis Henkin's book, How Nations Behave.

[Pilarcraft]

I wish the Catalans the best with well earned their new state. Let's hope it will be able to resist any aggressive moves from Spain and that it may become the country they fought for.

And simultaneously usually collapse the entire EU. I'm sure that's something they didn't expect to happen when they voted. And they are no longer apart of the EU

yeah. I'm sure that they didn't know they'd collapse EU economy when they started voting lol.

[Thermodolia]

And simultaneously usually collapse the entire EU. I'm sure that's something they didn't expect to happen when they voted. And they are no longer apart of the EU

yeah. I'm sure that they didn't know they'd collapse EU economy when they started voting lol.

Nobody ever thinks of the bigger picture during these things.

[Pilarcraft]

yeah. I'm sure that they didn't know they'd collapse EU economy when they started voting lol.

Nobody ever thinks of the bigger picture during these things.

I... was being sarcastic. Of course they knew it'd collapse. My problem is with Madrid's significant skill in diplomacy. you'd think this was the Napoleon era from what those idiots were doing.

[The East Marches II]

Both of which have done much :^)

It's meant to provide an answer to the constant argument of "it's legal!!!" "no its not!", not the political aspects of it. The politics, I frankly don't care about.

I see. I am of the opinion the legalities are decided by who wins in most cases.

[Aellex]

Nobody ever thinks of the bigger picture during these things.

I... was being sarcastic. Of course they knew it'd collapse. My problem is with Madrid's significant skill in diplomacy. you'd think this was the Napoleon era from what those idiots were doing.

Madrid was right. You do not negotiate with the rebels and seditious.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Instead of getting involved in a screaming contest, I will utter two things.

The Montevideo Convention on the Rights and Duties of States (1933), and the Arbitration Commission of the Peace Conference on Yugoslavia (1991).

While the Montevideo Convention is important, recent legal practise has shown that the declaratory theory of statehood doesn't place enough value with recognition by other states. Look at Palestine, for instance: a state according to the Convention and with a lot of recognition from other states, but not accepted because it lacks official UN membership. Even then, the Montevideo Criteria might not be met, because Spain officially controls the foreign policy of the Catalans. It's an interesting discussion to have, but simply posting the Montevideo Criteria won't be enough to prove Catalan statehood.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Nobody ever thinks of the bigger picture during these things.

I... was being sarcastic. Of course they knew it'd collapse. My problem is with Madrid's significant skill in diplomacy. you'd think this was the Napoleon era from what those idiots were doing.

Nothing like a good massed volley to send the revolutionaries running, pip pip and whatnot.

[Pilarcraft]

I... was being sarcastic. Of course they knew it'd collapse. My problem is with Madrid's significant skill in diplomacy. you'd think this was the Napoleon era from what those idiots were doing.

Madrid was right. You do not negotiate with the rebels and seditious.

In the modern world, as long as it's not reached a violent, militant level of fighting, negotiation is exactly what you do. at least in civilized places. not sure how it's done in DPRK or similarly barbaric states, but in the Civilized World, that's exactly what you do.

[Thermodolia]

Nobody ever thinks of the bigger picture during these things.

I... was being sarcastic. Of course they knew it'd collapse. My problem is with Madrid's significant skill in diplomacy. you'd think this was the Napoleon era from what those idiots were doing.

I bet you a lot of money that they had no clue that they'd, 1) be out of the EU, and 2) be the cause of the collapse of the EU and a possible world wide depression