Catalonia Megathread: Should Catalonia Separate From Spain?

[Corrian]

"Failing to protect Spanish national police from protesters"

Pretty sure the only ones needing protection were the PROTESTERS from the police.

[Herador]

"Failing to protect Spanish national police from protesters"

Pretty sure the only ones needing protection were the PROTESTERS from the police.

The charges make sense if you're a dick.

[Albrenia]

Because casually dropping racial slurs and joking about killing Jews is totally not white supremacist behaviour.

1.He gave an apology on the racial slur thing, saying that he was rather mad at himself for that because he hates that kind of behavior in online games himself, and he hated how he took part in it.
2.Shitty jokes are shitty jokes. The joke was to see how far people on Fivver would go for $5. And he was understandably horribly shocked when it actually happened, which you can see from his face pretty clearly.
3.He also made a video after Charlottesville pretty much saying he was done with those shitty jokes because he does not want to be associated with those people at all after that.

So, no, it doesn't mean white supremacist behavior.

Agreed, he's no white supremacist, just a doofus. He may have been better served not posting the Fivver video (he did later take it down), but again, that's just being stupid, not racist.

[Minoa]

The PP is growing more popular in the rest of Spain because of his tough stance. Even I admire Rajoy a little more because he is remaining tough on this issue.

'In the rest of Spain' is the problem though. Playing tough guy isn't going to win the Catalonians back.

Why? He's in the right, legally speaking.

I think it's well past the point where being legally in the right could settle the issue.

I don't think it is in the interest of either side to risk another civil war in Spain, lest cause more chaos on top of two really miserable years (2016 and 2017).

[Vassenor]

...Oh, he apologized. I guess that makes everything magically better somehow.

[Nakena]

...Oh, he apologized. I guess that makes everything magically better somehow.

Playing with alt-right and fashy stuff stopped being cool a while ago, but Charlottesville was the nail in the coffin. The movement has been taken over by hardcore white nationalists and is likely to end where they have been since ever; On the fringe.

Possibly same will happen to Antifa. What will be remembered is the Summer of Hate.

So in news that's actually on topic the Catalan police chief - and others - are being questioned on charges of sedition.

They had issues in the Chain of Command. This is serious business. If that breaks down you have, as state or government, a real problem.

[Corrian]

...Oh, he apologized. I guess that makes everything magically better somehow.

Certainly makes it better than him not apologizing.

[Parti Ouvrier]

Good article by Nando Villa in the Washington Post by the way.
'How the Spanish government is pushing Catalans to support independence:A bumbling effort to keep the country unified only radicalized the region.'
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/pos ... 3681a0f720

[Tananat]

...Oh, he apologized. I guess that makes everything magically better somehow.

Seriously, if you want to discuss whoever it is you're discussing, go make a thread.

[Thermodolia]

I mean this conversation is interesting and all, but what does it have to do with Catalonia?

People are mad that they're called fascist for making statements in support of Franco and supporting police brutalizing people trying to vote.

On the first one I was joking. On the second I admitted that the police messed up big time. They shouldn't have lost control the way they did.

However it seems that when I point out that fact that the police messed up I still get called a fascist because I don't believe that Catalonia gets to leave. So it's literally a no win situation for me. I'm literally being called fascist because I don't agree with you

[Thermodolia]

People are mad that they're called fascist for making statements in support of Franco and supporting police brutalizing people trying to vote.

Indeed.
"I would like it if all Jews were gassed"
"Omg - you nazi"
"Oh, typical. Call someone you disagree with a nazi. Pathetic"

That really about sums it up...

Except that's not what's happening.

> Catalonian should not be allowed to leave or have the referendum.
> OMG!! You fascist you hate democracy!!!
> How typical.

[Polvatsiya]

Indeed.
"I would like it if all Jews were gassed"
"Omg - you nazi"
"Oh, typical. Call someone you disagree with a nazi. Pathetic"

That really about sums it up...

Except that's not what's happening.

> Catalonian should not be allowed to leave or have the referendum.
> OMG!! You fascist you hate democracy!!!
> How typical.

Doesn't justify beating the shit out of their people.

[Sanctissima]

Except that's not what's happening.

> Catalonian should not be allowed to leave or have the referendum.
> OMG!! You fascist you hate democracy!!!
> How typical.

Doesn't justify beating the shit out of their people.

Really, if they're holding an illegal referendum and threatening to secede, what kind of response are they expecting?

[The of Japan]

Except that's not what's happening.

> Catalonian should not be allowed to leave or have the referendum.
> OMG!! You fascist you hate democracy!!!
> How typical.

Doesn't justify beating the shit out of their people.

A milisedond ago he said he didn't support the police doing that.

[Colbert Super PAC]

So in news that's actually on topic the Catalan police chief - and others - are being questioned on charges of sedition.

It's treason, then.

*palpatine.gif*

[Polvatsiya]

Doesn't justify beating the shit out of their people.

Really, if they're holding an illegal referendum and threatening to secede, what kind of response are they expecting?

Maybe a PEACEFUL EVACUATION?

So in news that's actually on topic the Catalan police chief - and others - are being questioned on charges of sedition.

It's treason, then.

*palpatine.gif*

kek.

Doesn't justify beating the shit out of their people.

A milisedond ago he said he didn't support the police doing that.

Sorry then.

[Lady Scylla]

People are mad that they're called fascist for making statements in support of Franco and supporting police brutalizing people trying to vote.

On the first one I was joking. On the second I admitted that the police messed up big time. They shouldn't have lost control the way they did.

However it seems that when I point out that fact that the police messed up I still get called a fascist because I don't believe that Catalonia gets to leave. So it's literally a no win situation for me. I'm literally being called fascist because I don't agree with you

To be frank, you've surprised me quite a bit so far, so I'm not sure what to think now.

[Lady Scylla]

"Failing to protect Spanish national police from protesters"

Pretty sure the only ones needing protection were the PROTESTERS from the police.

Yeah, I thought that was just a tad bit warped.

[G-Tech Corporation]

"Failing to protect Spanish national police from protesters"

Pretty sure the only ones needing protection were the PROTESTERS from the police.

Yeah, I thought that was just a tad bit warped.

Well, technically, police officers can be in dereliction of their duty if they don't back up other officers.

Normally.

In this case, Rajoy is just dissatisfied with the tiny bit of backbone the Mossos showed during the referendum, and wants their leader to grovel harder or get burnt at the stake so as to stamp out any sparks of independent thought in the local civil service.

[Minoa]

I cannot form a proper opinion here. Catalonia should be allowed to declare independence, but not like this. Furthermore, the situation is in a terrible and tangled mess right now, and it’s total chaos.

[Socialist Czechia]

Puigdemont should totally get the shit done.
Declaration of independence, right to the Rajoy's face. And see what happens.

I say he has no balls to send tanks after all, as it seems with all that apologizing today.

The Castilians were always extremely bad in keeping their conquests.

[Pasong Tirad]

Yeah, I thought that was just a tad bit warped.

Well, technically, police officers can be in dereliction of their duty if they don't back up other officers.

Normally.

In this case, Rajoy is just dissatisfied with the tiny bit of backbone the Mossos showed during the referendum, and wants their leader to grovel harder or get burnt at the stake so as to stamp out any sparks of independent thought in the local civil service.

I'm waiting for the photos with Catalan police stepping in between Catalans and the Guardia Civil.

[Polvatsiya]

Puigdemont should totally get the shit done.
Declaration of independence, right to the Rajoy's face. And see what happens.

I say he has no balls to send tanks after all, as it seems with all that apologizing today.

The Castilians were always extremely bad in keeping their conquests.

They declared independence 7 times now.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Well, technically, police officers can be in dereliction of their duty if they don't back up other officers.

Normally.

In this case, Rajoy is just dissatisfied with the tiny bit of backbone the Mossos showed during the referendum, and wants their leader to grovel harder or get burnt at the stake so as to stamp out any sparks of independent thought in the local civil service.

I'm waiting for the photos with Catalan police stepping in between Catalans and the Guardia Civil.

I'm waiting for Rajoy to roll the tanks to the Catalan Parliament on Tuesday, and see them confounded by parked police cars bearing the Catalan colors blocking their way, backed by a couple ranks of those inglorious bastards that are the Catalan fire service.

[Thermodolia]

Puigdemont should totally get the shit done.
Declaration of independence, right to the Rajoy's face. And see what happens.

I say he has no balls to send tanks after all, as it seems with all that apologizing today.

The Castilians were always extremely bad in keeping their conquests.

They declared independence 7 times now.

No they haven't