Catalonia Megathread: Should Catalonia Separate From Spain?

[Socialist Czechia]

The Mossos are helping to escort ballot boxes for counting

...and of course they are already threatening them for cooperation with rebels

[Senkaku]

They've literally held an illegal referendum and are directly violating the Spanish constitution.

But do go on about how the poor Catalans are being brutally oppressed by the evil Spanish. :^)

Missing the point. Whether or not you agree with the referendum, surely you agree that the people of Catalonia have a right to protest?

Just as Americans do, I would hope. That doesn't translate to a right to secede or support secession.

[MERIZoC]

This is insane. Assaults on peaceful protesters, open fascists celebrating the crackdown in the streets, ballot boxes stolen by police. Anyone who looks at people trying to fucking vote who are getting their heads cracked open and says "they broke the law" is an apologist for the worst kinds of authoritarianism, and it's no surprise that most of the people in this thread who oppose the referendum are cryptos.

Special shoutout to the Catalan firefighters though, protecting the rights of the people against the police. Good stuff.

They've literally held an illegal referendum and are directly violating the Spanish constitution.

But do go on about how the poor Catalans are being brutally oppressed by the evil Spanish. :^)

This is insane. Assaults on peaceful protesters, open fascists celebrating the crackdown in the streets, ballot boxes stolen by police. Anyone who looks at people trying to fucking vote who are getting their heads cracked open and says "they broke the law" is an apologist for the worst kinds of authoritarianism, and it's no surprise that most of the people in this thread who oppose the referendum are cryptos.

Special shoutout to the Catalan firefighters though, protecting the rights of the people against the police. Good stuff.

They're literally holding a referendum that the Constitution says is completely illegal. It's like if South Carolina held a referendum on secession, for example.

There's no way Madrid is going to tolerate it, and I have zero sympathy for Catalans whining about how they're being oppressed when they're literally inciting it by threatening secession.

But you're our "smash the state" guy, those poow opwessed catawans

Yeah, way to prove my point.

[Chestaan]

Missing the point. Whether or not you agree with the referendum, surely you agree that the people of Catalonia have a right to protest?

Just as Americans do, I would hope. That doesn't translate to a right to secede or support secession.

Yeah, but Merizoc was referring to those who are voicing support for the police using violent methods to break up peaceful protestors.

[Sanctissima]

They've literally held an illegal referendum and are directly violating the Spanish constitution.

But do go on about how the poor Catalans are being brutally oppressed by the evil Spanish. :^)

Missing the point. Whether or not you agree with the referendum, surely you agree that the people of Catalonia have a right to protest?

Protest? Sure, within reason.

Demand independence and start throwing a hissy fit when their civil servants are arrested for willingly breaking the law? No.

[MERIZoC]

Because I like the US.

I remember you saying that and I respect that you are open about your motivations.

Is there really anything respectable about such a juvenile and simplistic worldview?

[Chestaan]

Missing the point. Whether or not you agree with the referendum, surely you agree that the people of Catalonia have a right to protest?

Protest? Sure, within reason.

Demand independence and start throwing a hissy fit when their civil servants are arrested for willingly breaking the law? No.

So are they allowed to protest in favour of independence or not?

[Kramania]

This is insane. Assaults on peaceful protesters, open fascists celebrating the crackdown in the streets, ballot boxes stolen by police. Anyone who looks at people trying to fucking vote who are getting their heads cracked open and says "they broke the law" is an apologist for the worst kinds of authoritarianism, and it's no surprise that most of the people in this thread who oppose the referendum are cryptos.

Special shoutout to the Catalan firefighters though, protecting the rights of the people against the police. Good stuff.

Break the law, suffer the consequences.

I wouldn't expect an anarchist to understand. :')

[MERIZoC]

Missing the point. Whether or not you agree with the referendum, surely you agree that the people of Catalonia have a right to protest?

Just as Americans do, I would hope. That doesn't translate to a right to secede or support secession.

So beat the fuckers up

[Chestaan]

I remember you saying that and I respect that you are open about your motivations.

Is there really anything respectable about such a juvenile and simplistic worldview?

Very little, but at least they aren't delusional that they are morally right.

[MERIZoC]

This is insane. Assaults on peaceful protesters, open fascists celebrating the crackdown in the streets, ballot boxes stolen by police. Anyone who looks at people trying to fucking vote who are getting their heads cracked open and says "they broke the law" is an apologist for the worst kinds of authoritarianism, and it's no surprise that most of the people in this thread who oppose the referendum are cryptos.

Special shoutout to the Catalan firefighters though, protecting the rights of the people against the police. Good stuff.

Break the law, suffer the consequences.

I wouldn't expect an anarchist to understand. :')

I'm very glad the jews in nazi germany suffered the consequences of breaking the law, those degenerates.

[Chestaan]

This is insane. Assaults on peaceful protesters, open fascists celebrating the crackdown in the streets, ballot boxes stolen by police. Anyone who looks at people trying to fucking vote who are getting their heads cracked open and says "they broke the law" is an apologist for the worst kinds of authoritarianism, and it's no surprise that most of the people in this thread who oppose the referendum are cryptos.

Special shoutout to the Catalan firefighters though, protecting the rights of the people against the police. Good stuff.

Break the law, suffer the consequences.

I wouldn't expect an anarchist to understand. :')

Protesting against the state is not breaking the law.

[Sanctissima]

Protest? Sure, within reason.

Demand independence and start throwing a hissy fit when their civil servants are arrested for willingly breaking the law? No.

So are they allowed to protest in favour of independence or not?

No, I'm an authoritarian right-winger who hates democracy. I say shoot em' all and let God sort em' out!

But of course. So long as they don't break the law. Which clearly, is something they have a problem restraining themselves from doing.

[Greed and Death]

This is insane. Assaults on peaceful protesters, open fascists celebrating the crackdown in the streets, ballot boxes stolen by police. Anyone who looks at people trying to fucking vote who are getting their heads cracked open and says "they broke the law" is an apologist for the worst kinds of authoritarianism, and it's no surprise that most of the people in this thread who oppose the referendum are cryptos.

Special shoutout to the Catalan firefighters though, protecting the rights of the people against the police. Good stuff.

They've literally held an illegal referendum and are directly violating the Spanish constitution.

But do go on about how the poor Catalans are being brutally oppressed by the evil Spanish. :^)

Normally when someone say illegal referendum, it means you ignore the results of the referendum not send the police force to try and stop them from voting.

[Chestaan]

So are they allowed to protest in favour of independence or not?

No, I'm an authoritarian right-winger who hates democracy. I say shoot em' all and let God sort em' out!

But of course. So long as they don't break the law. Which clearly, is something they have a problem restraining themselves from doing.

They haven't broke the law. Unless it is now against the law to assemble in protest.

[Greed and Death]

So I am reading about Catalan culture. They have a holiday where the men give roses and the women give books.

This is my type of holiday. Someone find me a Catalan woman to date ASAP.

[Lady Scylla]

Missing the point. Whether or not you agree with the referendum, surely you agree that the people of Catalonia have a right to protest?

Protest? Sure, within reason.

Demand independence and start throwing a hissy fit when their civil servants are arrested for willingly breaking the law? No.

Spanish response is going to spark a revolt at this rate. I say give them independence if they want it.

[Bananaistan]

This is insane. Assaults on peaceful protesters, open fascists celebrating the crackdown in the streets, ballot boxes stolen by police. Anyone who looks at people trying to fucking vote who are getting their heads cracked open and says "they broke the law" is an apologist for the worst kinds of authoritarianism, and it's no surprise that most of the people in this thread who oppose the referendum are cryptos.

Special shoutout to the Catalan firefighters though, protecting the rights of the people against the police. Good stuff.

Break the law, suffer the consequences.

I wouldn't expect an anarchist to understand. :')

And what laws have those who attempted to vote broken?

[Chestaan]

Protest? Sure, within reason.

Demand independence and start throwing a hissy fit when their civil servants are arrested for willingly breaking the law? No.

Spanish response is going to spark a revolt at this rate. I say give them independence if they want it.

I don't think the central government could have done anything more to improve pro-independence sentiment than that which they did today.

[Sanctissima]

They've literally held an illegal referendum and are directly violating the Spanish constitution.

But do go on about how the poor Catalans are being brutally oppressed by the evil Spanish. :^)

Normally when someone say illegal referendum, it means you ignore the results of the referendum not send the police force to try and stop them from voting.

And allow the problem to fester?

Doesn't sound like a very effective solution.

No, I'm an authoritarian right-winger who hates democracy. I say shoot em' all and let God sort em' out!

But of course. So long as they don't break the law. Which clearly, is something they have a problem restraining themselves from doing.

They haven't broke the law. Unless it is now against the law to assemble in protest.

The civil servants who have been arrested for directly violating the Spanish constitution have.

Protest? Sure, within reason.

Demand independence and start throwing a hissy fit when their civil servants are arrested for willingly breaking the law? No.

Spanish response is going to spark a revolt at this rate. I say give them independence if they want it.

Some Spanish tank columns rolling down the streets of Barcelona does sound like fun.

[Chestaan]

Normally when someone say illegal referendum, it means you ignore the results of the referendum not send the police force to try and stop them from voting.

And allow the problem to fester?

Doesn't sound like a very effective solution.

They haven't broke the law. Unless it is now against the law to assemble in protest.

The civil servants who have been arrested for directly violating the Spanish constitution have.

Spanish response is going to spark a revolt at this rate. I say give them independence if they want it.

Some Spanish tank columns rolling down the streets of Barcelona does sound like fun.

We're talking about the protestors who have been assaulted by police. Is that justified or no?

[Greed and Death]

Normally when someone say illegal referendum, it means you ignore the results of the referendum not send the police force to try and stop them from voting.

And allow the problem to fester?

Doesn't sound like a very effective solution.

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As opposed ot making martyrs of the local govnerment officials who helped the vote go forward?

[Chessmistress]

They're literally holding a referendum that the Constitution says is completely illegal.

It cannot be "completely" illegal since it's legal according the law in Catalunya.
The right action from Spain would have been let them to proceed and contending that the referendum cannot have effect on Spain's unity, due Spanish Constitution.
It's actually the action of the Civil Guard that is "completely" illegal.

[Soviet-mongol]

As former resident in Barcelona: Sí ("yes")
There have been more than 500 wounded people today, but according reports the number of votes exceeded 50%.
My heart is with Catalunya.

Are you Catalan yourself and can you speak their language?

[Kramania]

Break the law, suffer the consequences.

I wouldn't expect an anarchist to understand. :')

I'm very glad the jews in nazi germany suffered the consequences of breaking the law, those degenerates.

I'm a Jew, but thanks.

This isn't the holocaust. So stop with your appeal to emotions.

Why do anarchists think everything is lehiterally Hitler?