Catalonia Megathread: Should Catalonia Separate From Spain?

[The Censorate]

Good. The Spanish government needs to crackdown hard

Why?

Because the Catalan government is engaging in an illegal act of attempting secessionism.

[Thermodolia]

Good. The Spanish government needs to crackdown hard

Why?

Because Catalonia is engaging in an unconstitutional and illegal act and is in open rebellion to the central government

[Valrifell]

Why?

Because Catalonia is engaging in an unconstitutional and illegal act and is in open rebellion to the central government

I mean, of course it would be illegal and unconstitutional. People and institutions of authority tend to want to maintain that authority, you know.

[Chestaan]

Why?

Because Catalonia is engaging in an unconstitutional and illegal act and is in open rebellion to the central government

Why should self-determination for small nations be illegal?

And in any case, what you have said is not in and of itself a justification. Just because something is illegal doesn't mean doing it is wrong.

[Thermodolia]

Because Catalonia is engaging in an unconstitutional and illegal act and is in open rebellion to the central government

Why should self-determination for small nations be illegal?

And in any case, what you have said is not in and of itself a justification. Just because something is illegal doesn't mean doing it is wrong.

The break up of the state is wrong and should be severely punished. It's 100% a justification, it's not a justification just because you don't approve

[The Grene Knyght]

https://www.facebook.com/paulmurphytd/videos/1475298289225240/
Member of the Irish parliament calling on the government to take an official stance in support of a Catalan referendum today, saying that the way Spanish authorities are repressing it is undemocratic. The minister being questioned argues that this is a purely Spanish issue and Ireland should not be involved in any way.

Should the international community take stances, or should this be a strictly internal issue?

[The Grene Knyght]

Why should self-determination for small nations be illegal?

And in any case, what you have said is not in and of itself a justification. Just because something is illegal doesn't mean doing it is wrong.

The break up of the state is wrong and should be severely punished. It's 100% a justification, it's not a justification just because you don't approve

And thats why the US should belong to the British crown, right?

[The East Marches II]

https://www.facebook.com/paulmurphytd/videos/1475298289225240/
Member of the Irish parliament calling on the government to take an official stance in support of a Catalan referendum today, saying that the way Spanish authorities are repressing it is undemocratic. The minister being questioned argues that this is a purely Spanish issue and Ireland should not be involved in any way.

Should the international community take stances, or should this be a strictly internal issue?

This isn't the problem of the international community, not as if they could do anything anyway.

[Thermodolia]

The break up of the state is wrong and should be severely punished. It's 100% a justification, it's not a justification just because you don't approve

And thats why the US should belong to the British crown, right?

Nope. Call me a hypocrite but the US was 100% in the right. Catalonia is not

[Thermodolia]

https://www.facebook.com/paulmurphytd/videos/1475298289225240/
Member of the Irish parliament calling on the government to take an official stance in support of a Catalan referendum today, saying that the way Spanish authorities are repressing it is undemocratic. The minister being questioned argues that this is a purely Spanish issue and Ireland should not be involved in any way.

Should the international community take stances, or should this be a strictly internal issue?

It's an internal issue. The big four of NATO agree that it's an internal issue. And so does the UN

[Chestaan]

Why should self-determination for small nations be illegal?

And in any case, what you have said is not in and of itself a justification. Just because something is illegal doesn't mean doing it is wrong.

The break up of the state is wrong and should be severely punished. It's 100% a justification, it's not a justification just because you don't approve

That's incredibly anti-democratic of you.

Appealing to the legality of something itself is not a justification, because all sorts of stupid laws can exist.

[Chestaan]

https://www.facebook.com/paulmurphytd/videos/1475298289225240/
Member of the Irish parliament calling on the government to take an official stance in support of a Catalan referendum today, saying that the way Spanish authorities are repressing it is undemocratic. The minister being questioned argues that this is a purely Spanish issue and Ireland should not be involved in any way.

Should the international community take stances, or should this be a strictly internal issue?

It should be a purely internal issue. And by that I mean nobody apart from the Catalans (and not the rest of Spain) should have any say in Catalonia's succession.

[The Grande Republic 0f Arcadia]

If Spain wants to be stupid and Balkanize themselves I'd say let them. I'd really like to Balkanize Russia and a few other European states.

We should Balkanize China instead

[The Eternal Aulus]

This is what happens when people give up their arms in to another group of people ie the political elite and their ''monopoly on force''.

If Catalonia decides to become independent and Spain doesn't accept it then either the ''rebellion'' will be put to stop by use of military force and a friendly government installed OR civil unrest and uprising.

[Thermodolia]

If Spain wants to be stupid and Balkanize themselves I'd say let them. I'd really like to Balkanize Russia and a few other European states.

We should Balkanize China instead

Works for me

[Thermodolia]

The break up of the state is wrong and should be severely punished. It's 100% a justification, it's not a justification just because you don't approve

That's incredibly anti-democratic of you.

Appealing to the legality of something itself is not a justification, because all sorts of stupid laws can exist.

I don't give a shit. It's not un-democratic to ban self determination.

[Chestaan]

That's incredibly anti-democratic of you.

Appealing to the legality of something itself is not a justification, because all sorts of stupid laws can exist.

I don't give a shit. It's not un-democratic to ban self determination.

According to polls most Catalan's think a vote should be held. So, yeah, undemocratic.

[Thermodolia]

I don't give a shit. It's not un-democratic to ban self determination.

According to polls most Catalan's think a vote should be held. So, yeah, undemocratic.

Nope. Catalonia doesn't get to decide what's illegal and what's not. That's undemocratic. Either everyone plays by the same rules or no one does. Catalonia isn't a special snowflake.

[The Eternal Aulus]

According to polls most Catalan's think a vote should be held. So, yeah, undemocratic.

Nope. Catalonia doesn't get to decide what's illegal and what's not. That's undemocratic. Either everyone plays by the same rules or no one does. Catalonia isn't a special snowflake.

Democracy is a sham and buzzword anyway. The people want to resign, then they should be able to do so. Undemocratic or not.

[The Sauganash Union]

An independent Catalonia would become a major vacation destination.

[Aethrys]

Finally some honest conflict. Time to put these decades of peaceful stagnation behind.

[The Golden Circle and Boreal States]

I would, but their politicians seem adamant on becoming next Sweden. Don't want to see that.

[MERIZoC]

That's incredibly anti-democratic of you.

Appealing to the legality of something itself is not a justification, because all sorts of stupid laws can exist.

I don't give a shit. It's not un-democratic to ban self determination.

Self-determination is an inalienable right, as prescribed by the ICESCR, which Spain is a party to.

[The Grene Knyght]

The break up of the state is wrong and should be severely punished.

We should Balkanize China instead

Works for me

And thats why the US should belong to the British crown, right?

Nope. Call me a hypocrite but the US was 100% in the right. Catalonia is not

SO I guess your opinion isn't that self-determination is wrong, but rather that self determination is wrong when you arbitrarily decide its wrong....

[Thermodolia]

I don't give a shit. It's not un-democratic to ban self determination.

Self-determination is an inalienable right, as prescribed by the ICESCR, which Spain is a party to.

The ICESCR can go fuck itself. They have no ability to enforce their orders to they don't matter