Unpopular Assertion: Men and women raped at comparable rates

[Des-Bal]

Also heterosexual women sexually assaulted by inmates in prison. Rape in prison is usually more about power than sex - establishing dominance as king (or queen) of the block. I've analyzed this before:

Yeah, sort of, but it probably muddies the waters more than clearing them.

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/svpjri1112.pdf

Page 17. Also, they don't use "rape". They use "sexual victimization" which is broader.

According to the table, for men in prison, 1.7% experienced inmate on inmate sexual victimization, while 2.4% experienced staff sexual misconduct. For jails it was 1.4% and 1.9% respectively.

For women in prison, 6.9% experienced inmate on inmate sexual victimization, while 2.3% experienced staff sexual misconduct. In jail, that's 3.6% and 1.4% respectively.

While women in prison/jail are slightly less likely to suffer sexual abuse from staff, they're significantly more likely to experience inmate on inmate sexual violence. Also, keep in mind, our prisons are sex segregated when you consider the implications of that. A woman in prison/jail is significantly more likely to be sexually assaulted by another woman in prison/jail than a comparable man.

However, 93.3% of inmates are male.

I'm not diminishing the numbers, I don't have links handy but at last pass I found female inmates who identified as non-heterosexual faced sexual assault at a rate three times higher than women who didn't.

[Galloism]

Also heterosexual women sexually assaulted by inmates in prison. Rape in prison is usually more about power than sex - establishing dominance as king (or queen) of the block. I've analyzed this before:

I'm not diminishing the numbers, I don't have links handy but at last pass I found female inmates who identified as non-heterosexual faced sexual assault at a rate three times higher than women who didn't.

Oh, well that I don't know. Never analyzed it that way. I'd have to look again to see how that works.

It's a little bit outside the scope of this thread, however.

[Costa Fierro]

Make me.

I don't need to. You already have come to that decision for me.

I need to accept that feminists are the primary driving force behind it.

Feminism and society. Both have equal parts to play in this. Call out anyone that doesn't think men can be raped. It doesn't matter who it is, tell them they are full of shit.

[Unidox]

Feminism and society. Both have equal parts to play in this. Call out anyone that doesn't think men can be raped. It doesn't matter who it is, tell them they are full of shit.

^This.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I'm not diminishing the numbers, I don't have links handy but at last pass I found female inmates who identified as non-heterosexual faced sexual assault at a rate three times higher than women who didn't.

Oh, well that I don't know. Never analyzed it that way. I'd have to look again to see how that works.

It's a little bit outside the scope of this thread, however.

Unrelated but after seeing some of the opposition to the assertion you made, I am wondering: is it really that hard to grasp? I mean, both men and women can be shitty. Is it hard to understand that yes, men can get raped and that yes, women can rape them? Sure, we do not have a penis, but we can shove a bottle up a man's butt, or we can, against their wills/and or consent because they're incapacitated or otherwise, forcibly have them penetrate us?

If we assert that men rape women, is it so hard to also see that women are as capable of rape as men are? And sure, I know I'll get called many things, (fun fem and proud!) but one can't be blind. Or this blind. I'm looking at this from the point of view that yes, human beings can be complete fuckwads, no matter what is between their legs.

[Soviet-mongol]

How is possible for a woman to rape a man? A woman would need to be much physicall stronger.

[Des-Bal]

How is possible for a woman to rape a man? A woman would need to be much physicall stronger.

So in your mind there are no rapes where the victim was not physically overpowered?

[Soviet-mongol]

How is possible for a woman to rape a man? A woman would need to be much physicall stronger.

So in your mind there are no rapes where the victim was not physically overpowered?

I am not an expert but context is also important. When a man fucks a woman who is unconsciously, it is not the same when a woman does the same to a man. Fact is that man are more hyper sexual than woman, and can feel less pane.

[Neutraligon]

How is possible for a woman to rape a man? A woman would need to be much physicall stronger.

You mean besides coercion when she is in a position over him (like say his boss) or has the ability to manipulate those who are his boss? Well for one thing he could be worried that he would be accused of assault if he is physically stronger then she is and she fights back. For another, abuse can break a person down, so that they don't fight back. Oh and of course there are the women who are physically stronger. Oh and of course there is drugging, and taking a man by surprise and about a million other ways for a man to be raped.

[Neutraligon]

So in your mind there are no rapes where the victim was not physically overpowered?

I am not an expert but context is also important. When a man fucks a woman who is unconsciously, it is not the same when a woman does the same to a man. Fact is that man are more hyper sexual than woman, and can feel less pane.

U-huh, and your evidence that a man feels less pain (what does this even mean) and is more hypersexual is...? Also Gallo...yay for examples in this very thread. Although...I am not exactly glad that this is so predictable.

[Donut section]

I'm not diminishing the numbers, I don't have links handy but at last pass I found female inmates who identified as non-heterosexual faced sexual assault at a rate three times higher than women who didn't.

Oh, well that I don't know. Never analyzed it that way. I'd have to look again to see how that works.

It's a little bit outside the scope of this thread, however.

You know that brings me back to something I keep forgetting to ask you. As you have made a series of threads in this discushon, have you thought about comdensing it all into one thread? Or maybe putting your information onto a blog or something so that we can have a resource to bring this topic up elsewhere?

[Vistulange]

Oh, well that I don't know. Never analyzed it that way. I'd have to look again to see how that works.

It's a little bit outside the scope of this thread, however.

You know that brings me back to something I keep forgetting to ask you. As you have made a series of threads in this discushon, have you thought about comdensing it all into one thread? Or maybe putting your information onto a blog or something so that we can have a resource to bring this topic up elsewhere?

So much this. There are times when I find incredible sources or arguments in NSG, but they're so scattered and everywhere that I can't find them when I need them.

[Sovaal]

How is possible for a woman to rape a man? A woman would need to be much physicall stronger.

Physical strength isn't the only way to rape someone, and not all women are weak and not all men are strong. That, and men's erections are a natural reaction to stimulation.

So in your mind there are no rapes where the victim was not physically overpowered?

I am not an expert but context is also important.

In what way is context important when it comes to rape? Last I checked you can't rape someone in self defense.

When a man fucks a woman who is unconsciously, it is not the same when a woman does the same to a man.

And how is that? In both cases the victim is unconsious and can't fight back. And that's also not the only way a women can rape a man.

Fact is that man are more hyper sexual than woman

Guess you've never heard of nympho, huh? And plenty of men aren't all that crazy about sex.

and can feel less pane.

How?

[Salandriagado]

If Australia is any indicator, probably the left. And I say that as a leftist.

That being said, the right doesn't exactly embrace my views with gusto either.

Seeing the hostility that left NSG has to the idea I would say you's right.

Now I'm wondering about the rate of prosecution. I'm going to go out on a limm and say female perpetrators of male rape are the lowest and male perpetrators of female rape are the hiyest.

I'd guess that male-on-male would be highest, actually, just due to prison rape skewing the numbers.

How is possible for a woman to rape a man? A woman would need to be much physicall stronger.

A great many women are stronger than a great many men. A great many women hold some form of coercive power over a great many men. A great many women have access to drugs. See also Gallo's example of a false rape accusation being used as a coercive force: something that all women have over all men.

So in your mind there are no rapes where the victim was not physically overpowered?

I am not an expert but context is also important. When a man fucks a woman who is unconsciously, it is not the same when a woman does the same to a man.

This, right here, is rape apologism.

Fact is that man are more hyper sexual than woman, and can feel less pane.

Both parts of this are outright lies.

[Galloism]

Seeing the hostility that left NSG has to the idea I would say you's right.

Now I'm wondering about the rate of prosecution. I'm going to go out on a limm and say female perpetrators of male rape are the lowest and male perpetrators of female rape are the hiyest.

I'd guess that male-on-male would be highest, actually, just due to prison rape skewing the numbers.

You'd guess wrong. Male on female rape is the most common kind women suffer, while female on male rape is the most common kind men suffer.

[Thermodolia]

So in your mind there are no rapes where the victim was not physically overpowered?

I am not an expert but context is also important.

Context is important in rape? Are you serious?

When a man fucks a woman who is unconsciously, it is not the same when a woman does the same to a man.

So if a woman has sex with me without my permission and while I'm unconscious it's not rape yet change the genders around and it's rape.

Fact is that man are more hyper sexual than woman, and can feel less pane.

Um no... that's not true at all. Interestingly the last part sounds like something my father would say to rationalize his abuse of us.

[The Grene Knyght]

Make me.

I don't need to. You already have come to that decision for me.

I need to accept that feminists are the primary driving force behind it.

Feminism and society. Both have equal parts to play in this. Call out anyone that doesn't think men can be raped. It doesn't matter who it is, tell them they are full of shit.

Thats very maliciously quoted of you.

[New Larthinia]

''Less pane than women''.

Actually, women are more resilient when it comes to pain.

[Neutraligon]

''Less pane than women''.

Actually, women are more resilient when it comes to pain.

Mind sourcing this?

[New Larthinia]

''Less pane than women''.

Actually, women are more resilient when it comes to pain.

Mind sourcing this?

Yeah, it's pretty easy to just google it and find out. Women cope easier with pain.

[Neutraligon]

Mind sourcing this?

Yeah, it's pretty easy to just google it and find out. Women cope easier with pain.

You made the claim, you support it.

[New Larthinia]

Yeah, it's pretty easy to just google it and find out. Women cope easier with pain.

You made the claim, you support it.

I agree that that's how it goes, but I am too lazy to support it.

[Neutraligon]

You made the claim, you support it.

I agree that that's how it goes, but I am too lazy to support it.

At least you admit it.

[New Larthinia]

Yep.

[Liriena]

Feminism and society. Both have equal parts to play in this. Call out anyone that doesn't think men can be raped. It doesn't matter who it is, tell them they are full of shit.

^This.

I'd just add a #notallfeminism, but other than that... yeah, agreed.