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Postby Nexus of All Realities » Tue Aug 22, 2017 1:15 pm

Mensirada Nysgceballada Ghebanea wrote:Violence, sedition, libel, slander, defamation (I forgot which of the last three is which), treason and insurrection and incitements thereof.

ONCE again, this nation was built on insurrection(s).

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Postby St Ronan » Tue Aug 22, 2017 1:23 pm

The only limits should be violence. Everyone has right to voice their own opinion, no matter how unpopular.
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Postby Telconi » Tue Aug 22, 2017 3:25 pm

Direct, specific, inciting of violence. Everything else should fall under freedom of expression.
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Tue Aug 22, 2017 4:02 pm

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I feel there are a lot of exceptions to this rule.
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Tue Aug 22, 2017 4:02 pm

Nexus of All Realities wrote:
Mensirada Nysgceballada Ghebanea wrote:Violence, sedition, libel, slander, defamation (I forgot which of the last three is which), treason and insurrection and incitements thereof.

ONCE again, this nation was built on insurrection(s).

So?
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Postby Sovaal » Tue Aug 22, 2017 4:20 pm

Really, as long as it's done woth onsenting adults, respects property, and doesn't put people in danger, it's a-ok in my book.
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Postby The One True Benxboro Empire » Tue Aug 22, 2017 4:59 pm

Nexus of All Realities wrote:
Mensirada Nysgceballada Ghebanea wrote:Violence, sedition, libel, slander, defamation (I forgot which of the last three is which), treason and insurrection and incitements thereof.

ONCE again, this nation was built on insurrection(s).

"insurrection should be legal" is an idea that belongs in the tomb with the anarchist, confederate and other rebel scum who advocated it.
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Postby Liberated Territories » Tue Aug 22, 2017 5:02 pm

No limits outside of a private setting, except when freedom of expression is accompanied with violence or threat thereof.
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Postby Ever Victorious Iron Willed Commanders » Tue Aug 22, 2017 5:03 pm

The One True Benxboro Empire wrote:
Nexus of All Realities wrote:ONCE again, this nation was built on insurrection(s).

"insurrection should be legal" is an idea that belongs in the tomb with the anarchist, confederate and other rebel scum who advocated it.

Insurrection should only be legal when the government becomes dictatorial; actually infringing on your rights (not threatening to ban slavery); etc.
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Postby The War World of Krieg » Tue Aug 22, 2017 5:09 pm

Freedom of expression is non negotiable, either you have it or you don't it's as simple as that, there is no you can't do this certain thing because it's "hate speech", if we don't respect each others rights then what's the point in claiming we have such things as "freedom of expression".
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Postby The One True Benxboro Empire » Tue Aug 22, 2017 5:15 pm

Ever Victorious Iron Willed Commanders wrote:
The One True Benxboro Empire wrote:"insurrection should be legal" is an idea that belongs in the tomb with the anarchist, confederate and other rebel scum who advocated it.

Insurrection should only be legal when the government becomes dictatorial; actually infringing on your rights (not threatening to ban slavery); etc.

I'd rather keep it vague and not attempt to codify it. Violence is a tool that should only be rarely used- the condition you provide is to an extent an acceptable justification for it but all the same, the crafty scumbags who seek to foment insurgency must be kept from gaining more weapons to use against the stability of their nations and the world than our own humanity hands them.
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Postby Laeden » Tue Aug 22, 2017 5:18 pm

Gentlemen, the very purpose of Freedom of Speech is to allow people to speak what nobody wants to hear. If we limit this liberty to the point that no one can come up with an inconvenient truth, even if we do so under the justification of fighting hate speech, we'll be severely restricting our freedom.
Basically, if everyone says the same stuff or if the law is used to restrict the political discourse, we're not really that free. At all.

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Postby Badger Industries » Tue Aug 22, 2017 5:21 pm

I think the American constitution has a pretty good take on the issue in saying that speech that constitutes as "fighting words" is not protected as free speech. Basically anything that incites violence, whether it be upon an individual or groups, and regardless of its severity, is not protected as freedom of expression. There are also appropriate laws limiting another's usage of personal information or property. In this way we maintain a suitable level of free speech as long as it is not physically harmful to anyone else.

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Postby Nexus of All Realities » Wed Aug 23, 2017 11:44 am

Major-Tom wrote:
Mike the Progressive wrote:Jerking off in front of a school.


Do you have something you'd like to share with us, Mike?

In all seriousness, I'd say inciting/taking part in violence, as several people have already said. The line should be drawn there. Or arguing that Creed is solid rock music, that should also be illegal.

Or that any music made after 1995 had any merit at all.

Back on topic for me. I don't want trouble with Lady Godzilla, or anybody else.

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Postby Nexus of All Realities » Wed Aug 23, 2017 11:47 am

Ever Victorious Iron Willed Commanders wrote:
The One True Benxboro Empire wrote:"insurrection should be legal" is an idea that belongs in the tomb with the anarchist, confederate and other rebel scum who advocated it.

Insurrection should only be legal when the government becomes dictatorial; actually infringing on your rights ..

Had been, isn't so much now. Oh, wait, Congress.

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Postby Len Hyet » Wed Aug 23, 2017 12:32 pm

Nexus of All Realities wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:
Do you have something you'd like to share with us, Mike?

In all seriousness, I'd say inciting/taking part in violence, as several people have already said. The line should be drawn there. Or arguing that Creed is solid rock music, that should also be illegal.

Or that any music made after 1995 had any merit at all.

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Postby Nexus of All Realities » Wed Aug 23, 2017 12:36 pm

Len Hyet wrote:
Nexus of All Realities wrote:Or that any music made after 1995 had any merit at all.

Black Ice came out in 2008 you heathen

Bwa?

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Postby Len Hyet » Wed Aug 23, 2017 12:37 pm

Nexus of All Realities wrote:
Len Hyet wrote:Black Ice came out in 2008 you heathen

Bwa?

Black Ice. AC/DC album. Some great songs on it.
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