What about ANTIFA?

[Torrocca]

That doesn't forgive the fact that not nearly enough is being done by Trump's supporters to denounce white supremacists and Nazis and alienate them from the rest of the group.

that's absolute grade A stinking crap

first off these white supremacists and neo-nazis are a minority of a minority and they are virutally shunned by almost everyone. They have been condemend for YEARS, even before Trump took office.

So then why have a number of Trump's supporters failed across the board to harshly condemn their actions at Charlottesville? They literally committed murder yet, from what I've seen, most of what's come out of the right's rhetoric is, "b-b-but AntiFa uses violence!"

[Gamergirl90]

Antifa are terrorists. They are a group of violent self-identified anarchists and communists who attack innocent people because they're too emotionally immature and weak to handle level-headed debate and discussion. Instead, they beat peaceful protestors, destroy the property of others and wear black masks so that no one can know their identities and to try to strike fear in the hearts of anyone who isn't a literal Stalinist.

Antifa should 100% be considered a violent domestic terrorist organization, full of violent maniacs who should be arrested and convicted to the fullest extent of the law. They have zero place in America.

>Nazis
>peaceful protesters

I love how you call Anti-fascists terrorists and un-American, yet the guys we literally fought a world war against (whom AntiFa are firmly also against) get none of the same treatment from you?

Incredible.

Not "also" against. Let's not forget that the origins of the term "Fascist" came out of Italy. Another axis power.

The US didnt just fight a war against a group that ANTIFA is also opposed to. Italy was explicitly fascist. They literally invented the term.

Let's also not forget Imperial Japan shared substantial ideological similarities with ww2 era Italian fascism. We dropped nuclear bombs (bombS. Plural) on them.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

that's absolute grade A stinking crap

first off these white supremacists and neo-nazis are a minority of a minority and they are virutally shunned by almost everyone. They have been condemend for YEARS, even before Trump took office.

So then why have a number of Trump's supporters failed across the board to harshly condemn their actions at Charlottesville? They literally committed murder yet, from what I've seen, most of what's come out of the right's rhetoric is, "b-b-but AntiFa uses violence!"

What you have to understand, though, is how his supporters think.

They don't have to condemn it, they just have to distance themselves from it. Using "both sides are bad" as an excuse allows them to ignore it, which is more convenient than making the effort behind condemning it and make them think. It's all too easy to excuse out that which doesn't affect you.

As I have said before elsewhere about this issue, and Trump supporters have proved me right all this time, they won't be worried about it until white supremacists and nazis come for them. Meanwhile, they won't worry about it, because they don't have to. It's not their problem, so they can rationalize it from a bird's eye view, as opposed to those of us who condemn them from the same point of view.

Most of them don't wanna hear it, they just want to live their lives, and that's enough for them. Which I am appalled by, but not exactly surprised.

[Tekeristan]

So then why have a number of Trump's supporters failed across the board to harshly condemn their actions at Charlottesville? They literally committed murder yet, from what I've seen, most of what's come out of the right's rhetoric is, "b-b-but AntiFa uses violence!"

What you have to understand, though, is how his supporters think.

They don't have to condemn it, they just have to distance themselves from it. Using "both sides are bad" as an excuse allows them to ignore it, which is more convenient than making the effort behind condemning it and make them think. It's all too easy to excuse out that which doesn't affect you.

As I have said before elsewhere about this issue, and Trump supporters have proved me right all this time, they won't be worried about it until white supremacists and nazis come for them. Meanwhile, they won't worry about it, because they don't have to. It's not their problem, so they can rationalize it from a bird's eye view, as opposed to those of us who condemn them from the same point of view.

Most of them don't wanna hear it, they just want to live their lives, and that's enough for them. Which I am appalled by, but not exactly surprised.

Like I said: It's chaff.

[Torrocca]

So then why have a number of Trump's supporters failed across the board to harshly condemn their actions at Charlottesville? They literally committed murder yet, from what I've seen, most of what's come out of the right's rhetoric is, "b-b-but AntiFa uses violence!"

What you have to understand, though, is how his supporters think.

They don't have to condemn it, they just have to distance themselves from it. Using "both sides are bad" as an excuse allows them to ignore it, which is more convenient than making the effort behind condemning it and make them think. It's all too easy to excuse out that which doesn't affect you.

As I have said before elsewhere about this issue, and Trump supporters have proved me right all this time, they won't be worried about it until white supremacists and nazis come for them. Meanwhile, they won't worry about it, because they don't have to. It's not their problem, so they can rationalize it from a bird's eye view, as opposed to those of us who condemn them from the same point of view.

Most of them don't wanna hear it, they just want to live their lives, and that's enough for them. Which I am appalled by, but not exactly surprised.

It's... oddly understandable, but that tactic is quite honestly despicable all the same. They're basically granting strength to those fascists and white supremacists through their inaction and complacency.

[Ifreann]

I think, technically, that'd also count as far-right terrorism.

That's weird, because I rarely see groups like ANTI-FA fucking with Muslims, I mean Europe has some pretty sick fucks marching around and yet ANTIFA is nowhere to be found.

They're in Syria. Volunteering to fight ISIS. I'm sure you've heard all about it.

[Bakery Hill]

That's weird, because I rarely see groups like ANTI-FA fucking with Muslims, I mean Europe has some pretty sick fucks marching around and yet ANTIFA is nowhere to be found.

They're in Syria. Volunteering to fight ISIS. I'm sure you've heard all about it.

Don't go too hard on the far right. I'm sure they'd be fighting ISIS if they had the time, but they're too busy harassing Muslim women on trains at the moment.

[Ifreann]

They're in Syria. Volunteering to fight ISIS. I'm sure you've heard all about it.

Don't go too hard on the far right. I'm sure they'd be fighting ISIS if they had the time, but they're too busy harassing Muslim women on trains at the moment.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

They're in Syria. Volunteering to fight ISIS. I'm sure you've heard all about it.

Don't go too hard on the far right. I'm sure they'd be fighting ISIS if they had the time, but they're too busy harassing Muslim women on trains at the moment.

Saudi Arabia, Syria, and several other less-than-savory parties are also fighting ISIS. That they're fighting ISIS does not make them good. In fact, if the Far Right was fighting in Syria (discounting the local nations that can be considered far right), they would still be shitbags.

[Ifreann]

Don't go too hard on the far right. I'm sure they'd be fighting ISIS if they had the time, but they're too busy harassing Muslim women on trains at the moment.

Saudi Arabia, Syria, and several other less-than-savory parties are also fighting ISIS. That they're fighting ISIS does not make them good.

Did someone say that?

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Saudi Arabia, Syria, and several other less-than-savory parties are also fighting ISIS. That they're fighting ISIS does not make them good.

Did someone say that?

Doesn't matter.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

oh so your not going to count 9/11's huge death toll? lol, convinient

I think, technically, that'd also count as far-right terrorism.

As far to the right as you can get.

[Deanson]

Antifa are terrorists. They are a group of violent self-identified anarchists and communists who attack innocent people because they're too emotionally immature and weak to handle level-headed debate and discussion. Instead, they beat peaceful protestors, destroy the property of others and wear black masks so that no one can know their identities and to try to strike fear in the hearts of anyone who isn't a literal Stalinist.

Antifa should 100% be considered a violent domestic terrorist organization, full of violent maniacs who should be arrested and convicted to the fullest extent of the law. They have zero place in America.

>Nazis
>peaceful protesters

I love how you call Anti-fascists terrorists and un-American, yet the guys we literally fought a world war against (whom AntiFa are firmly also against) get none of the same treatment from you?

Incredible.

I never said anything about Nazis. Why are you attempting to use the fallacy of whataboutism as a legitimate argument? It's because you have none.

If the average American soldier from WWII were around today with their political views they'd be considered far right extremists who antifa would try to assault. Interesting how fast communists suddenly become pro-American when the circumstances are optimal, however.

[Torrocca]

>Nazis
>peaceful protesters

I love how you call Anti-fascists terrorists and un-American, yet the guys we literally fought a world war against (whom AntiFa are firmly also against) get none of the same treatment from you?

Incredible.

I never said anything about Nazis. Why are you attempting to use the fallacy of whataboutism as a legitimate argument? It's because you have none.

If the average American soldier from WWII were around today with their political views they'd be considered far right extremists who antifa would try to assault. Interesting how fast communists suddenly become pro-American when the circumstances are optimal, however.

I'm not using whataboutism - I'm literally pointing out that you've called Nazis, fascists, white supremacists, etc. innocent and peaceful protesters.

If the average American soldier from WWII were around today (which they still are, in large numbers!) they, in spite of any political views they hold, would still be firmly against the Nazis in America today. In fact, they are.

[Deanson]

I never said anything about Nazis. Why are you attempting to use the fallacy of whataboutism as a legitimate argument? It's because you have none.

If the average American soldier from WWII were around today with their political views they'd be considered far right extremists who antifa would try to assault. Interesting how fast communists suddenly become pro-American when the circumstances are optimal, however.

I'm not using whataboutism - I'm literally pointing out that you've called Nazis, fascists, white supremacists, etc. innocent and peaceful protesters.

If the average American soldier from WWII were around today (which they still are, in large numbers!) they, in spite of any political views they hold, would still be firmly against the Nazis in America today. In fact, they are.

Are you honestly implying antifa has never assaulted anyone who wasn't a literal skinhead? This is unequivocally false. Unless your definition of "Nazi" is so flexible it fits anyone who is even somewhat conservative.

Once again, I never mentioned Nazis in my comment. Antifa assaults anyone with views that aren't their own. In fact, I bet they've hurt people who do have their own views. They are idiotic anarchist terrorists who destroy without clear thought or planning, as I said. Supporting antifa is supporting domestic terrorism. This is non-negotiable.

[Ifreann]

I'm not using whataboutism - I'm literally pointing out that you've called Nazis, fascists, white supremacists, etc. innocent and peaceful protesters.

If the average American soldier from WWII were around today (which they still are, in large numbers!) they, in spite of any political views they hold, would still be firmly against the Nazis in America today. In fact, they are.

Are you honestly implying antifa has never assaulted anyone who wasn't a literal skinhead? This is unequivocally false. Unless your definition of "Nazi" is so flexible it fits anyone who is even somewhat conservative.

Once again, I never mentioned Nazis in my comment. Antifa assaults anyone with views that aren't their own. In fact, I bet they've hurt people who do have their own views. They are idiotic anarchist terrorists who destroy without clear thought or planning, as I said. Supporting antifa is supporting domestic terrorism. This is non-negotiable.

Weird how these supposed violent maniac terrorists who target everyone do so very little damage.

[Deanson]

Are you honestly implying antifa has never assaulted anyone who wasn't a literal skinhead? This is unequivocally false. Unless your definition of "Nazi" is so flexible it fits anyone who is even somewhat conservative.

Once again, I never mentioned Nazis in my comment. Antifa assaults anyone with views that aren't their own. In fact, I bet they've hurt people who do have their own views. They are idiotic anarchist terrorists who destroy without clear thought or planning, as I said. Supporting antifa is supporting domestic terrorism. This is non-negotiable.

Weird how these supposed violent maniac terrorists who target everyone do so very little damage.

Well they are highly incompetent and evidently fairly lacking in basic critical thinking skills which would allow them to do more damage. Does not change the fact that they have assaulted countless people, destroyed property, and frequently attempt to incite riots and chaos to induce fear, ie terrorism.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Are you honestly implying antifa has never assaulted anyone who wasn't a literal skinhead? This is unequivocally false. Unless your definition of "Nazi" is so flexible it fits anyone who is even somewhat conservative.

Once again, I never mentioned Nazis in my comment. Antifa assaults anyone with views that aren't their own. In fact, I bet they've hurt people who do have their own views. They are idiotic anarchist terrorists who destroy without clear thought or planning, as I said. Supporting antifa is supporting domestic terrorism. This is non-negotiable.

Weird how these supposed violent maniac terrorists who target everyone do so very little damage.

Uuuuuhhhh.

[Torrocca]

I'm not using whataboutism - I'm literally pointing out that you've called Nazis, fascists, white supremacists, etc. innocent and peaceful protesters.

If the average American soldier from WWII were around today (which they still are, in large numbers!) they, in spite of any political views they hold, would still be firmly against the Nazis in America today. In fact, they are.

Are you honestly implying antifa has never assaulted anyone who wasn't a literal skinhead? This is unequivocally false. Unless your definition of "Nazi" is so flexible it fits anyone who is even somewhat conservative.

Once again, I never mentioned Nazis in my comment. Antifa assaults anyone with views that aren't their own. In fact, I bet they've hurt people who do have their own views. They are idiotic anarchist terrorists who destroy without clear thought or planning, as I said. Supporting antifa is supporting domestic terrorism. This is non-negotiable.

Sources for that first statement?

I love how quickly you backed off that US soldiers comment of yours, by the way.

Nazis very well were implied within your comment, as were the white supremacists, as were the fascists. Unless your generalizing, blanketing statement that insinuates AntiFA only assaults innocent, peaceful protesters is *GASP* false! But... why would someone say something like that, knowing the implications? Surely they wouldn't. Surely not.

From my point of view, supporting anti-fascists is supporting the destruction of fascism. That sounds like an ideal and noble cause, wouldn't you agree?

[Kubra]

>Nazis
>peaceful protesters

I love how you call Anti-fascists terrorists and un-American, yet the guys we literally fought a world war against (whom AntiFa are firmly also against) get none of the same treatment from you?

Incredible.

I never said anything about Nazis. Why are you attempting to use the fallacy of whataboutism as a legitimate argument? It's because you have none.

If the average American soldier from WWII were around today with their political views they'd be considered far right extremists who antifa would try to assault. Interesting how fast communists suddenly become pro-American when the circumstances are optimal, however.

and what are those political views?

[The Empire of Pretantia]

From my point of view, supporting anti-fascists is supporting the destruction of fascism. That sounds like an ideal and noble cause, wouldn't you agree?

Then why are the anti-fascists wreaking havoc in areas where fascists are not involved?

[Torrocca]

From my point of view, supporting anti-fascists is supporting the destruction of fascism. That sounds like an ideal and noble cause, wouldn't you agree?

Then why are the anti-fascists wreaking havoc in areas where fascists are not involved?

Couldn't tell you. Those ones, I'd reckon, are violent revolutionaries and anarchists.

The ones that directly fight fascists are ones worthy enough of support, though.

[Deanson]

Are you honestly implying antifa has never assaulted anyone who wasn't a literal skinhead? This is unequivocally false. Unless your definition of "Nazi" is so flexible it fits anyone who is even somewhat conservative.

Once again, I never mentioned Nazis in my comment. Antifa assaults anyone with views that aren't their own. In fact, I bet they've hurt people who do have their own views. They are idiotic anarchist terrorists who destroy without clear thought or planning, as I said. Supporting antifa is supporting domestic terrorism. This is non-negotiable.

Sources for that first statement?

I love how quickly you backed off that US soldiers comment of yours, by the way.

Nazis very well were implied within your comment, as were the white supremacists, as were the fascists. Unless your generalizing, blanketing statement that insinuates AntiFA only assaults innocent, peaceful protesters is *GASP* false! But... why would someone say something like that, knowing the implications? Surely they wouldn't. Surely not.

From my point of view, supporting anti-fascists is supporting the destruction of fascism. That sounds like an ideal and noble cause, wouldn't you agree?

Didn't back off on my WWII statement, one old irrelevant man from Twitter means literally nothing to me. Do you honestly believe that was a cogent argument? Totally irrelevant anyway, your entire argument is quite poorly constructed and I'm having a hard time keeping up.

Sources for the first statement: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0H27Ul9ZsHk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfCWGcpcJgI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54MetzvFJHE

You can find literally hundreds if not thousands of videos of them attacking people who are not in fact Nazis. I refuse to believe you're ignorant on this unless you're trying to plug your ears intentionally.

Supporting those who want to assault anyone who conveniently falls under their own personal definition of "fascism" is called being an authoritarian moron who cannot comprehend the basics of what freedom of expression entails and why it exists.

[Deanson]

I never said anything about Nazis. Why are you attempting to use the fallacy of whataboutism as a legitimate argument? It's because you have none.

If the average American soldier from WWII were around today with their political views they'd be considered far right extremists who antifa would try to assault. Interesting how fast communists suddenly become pro-American when the circumstances are optimal, however.

and what are those political views?

Do I really need to elaborate? Look at the discrimination in America going on in that era which was legally supported, look at the general culture of the time which was far far less accepting of women's rights, homosexuality, etc.

[Kubra]

From my point of view, supporting anti-fascists is supporting the destruction of fascism. That sounds like an ideal and noble cause, wouldn't you agree?

Then why are the anti-fascists wreaking havoc in areas where fascists are not involved?

Are you referring to the G20?