What about ANTIFA?

[Liriena]

Actually, I'd dare say it's the most realistic view. Antifa is nothing more than an umbrella term for anti-fascist activism. It's not an organization or a movement with anything ressembling a centralized structure. And I think a lot of people who just discovered antifa and are clutching their pearls at them don't understand the difference between antifa action in general and black bloc actions in particular.

um no it's not an "umbrella term"

they are anarcho-communists, just because they go " look were all antifascist" dosn't mean they are in anyway one the "good guys"

Thanks for proving my point by making that nice overgeneralization.

[Kash Island]

um no it's not an "umbrella term"

they are anarcho-communists, just because they go " look were all antifascist" dosn't mean they are in anyway one the "good guys"

Thanks for proving my point by making that nice overgeneralization.

overgeneralization?

they openly admit to being anarcho-communists, they even sport the red/black.

[Liriena]

um no it's not an "umbrella term"

they are anarcho-communists, just because they go " look were all antifascist" dosn't mean they are in anyway one the "good guys"

Actually at this point the FA part of their name should just be changed to reflect the initials "First Amendment", as that is what they seem to be against.

Wrong, but nice just doing Nazis' virtue signalling for them.

[Torrocca]

I'd consider beating up Nazis to be preemptive self-defense. Especially for, y'know, the minorities they want to vehemently genocide.

so you don't know what your talking about....

beating up nazi's is not "preemptive self-defense" it's called assault and it's against the law and also devalues the the ability for others to speak freely as it spreads the idea that violence is an acceptable form of protest.

and when the word nazi is thrown around like sprinkles on a fat kids cake it loses it's worth.

Look, I'm just saying, when history shows that Nazis coming into power leads to a fucking world war and the genocide of eleven million people, we should all take a good step back and ask ourselves, "why the fuck are there still Nazis around?"

[Kash Island]

so you don't know what your talking about....

beating up nazi's is not "preemptive self-defense" it's called assault and it's against the law and also devalues the the ability for others to speak freely as it spreads the idea that violence is an acceptable form of protest.

and when the word nazi is thrown around like sprinkles on a fat kids cake it loses it's worth.

Look, I'm just saying, when history shows that Nazis coming into power leads to a fucking world war and the genocide of eleven million people, we should all take a good step back and ask ourselves, "why the fuck are there still Nazis around?"

I don't know, when history shows the horrors of communism and I still see people wearing Che shirts after the cold war I go " Why the fuck are Communists still around?"

[Liriena]

Thanks for proving my point by making that nice overgeneralization.

overgeneralization?

they openly admit to being anarcho-communists, they even sport the red/black.

Not all of them, or even most of them, are anarcho-communists specifically. A lot are anarchists, period, or socialists. I'd even be willing to bet that there are some liberals in there too.

[Jiyon]

I'd consider beating up Nazis to be preemptive self-defense. Especially for, y'know, the minorities they want to vehemently genocide.

so you don't know what your talking about....

beating up nazi's is not "preemptive self-defense" it's called assault and it's against the law and also devalues the the ability for others to speak freely as it spreads the idea that violence is an acceptable form of protest.

and when the word nazi is thrown around like sprinkles on a fat kids cake it loses it's worth.

Violence is never an acceptable form of protest, and I condemn ANTIFA members for doing so at any event. However, in Charlottesville, people like you are drastically downplaying the role of the Alt-Right, and then criticizing the news when they tell the truth. The violence in Charlottesville was created by the Alt-Right; it doesn't matter who threw the first punch, the peaceful, so called "ANTIFA" protestor (and news sights have confirmed she was peaceful) who was murdered was killed intentionally by a Neo-Nazi, White Supremacist.

It's also revolting to see you defending Nazis. Call them what they are: racist, xenophobic, right wing Nazis.

[Torrocca]

Look, I'm just saying, when history shows that Nazis coming into power leads to a fucking world war and the genocide of eleven million people, we should all take a good step back and ask ourselves, "why the fuck are there still Nazis around?"

I don't know, when history shows the horrors of communism and I still see people wearing Che shirts after the cold war I go " Why the fuck are Communists still around?"

Because Communism doesn't advocate genocide, and most modern Communists (bar the tankies) don't want that.

However, genocide is an inherent part of Nazism, and every single modern Nazi advocates it.

[Kash Island]

overgeneralization?

they openly admit to being anarcho-communists, they even sport the red/black.

Not all of them, or even most of them, are anarcho-communists specifically. A lot are anarchists, period, or socialists. I'd even be willing to bet that there are some liberals in there too.

"a lot are anarchists and socialists"

that pretty much sums them up, yup....

[Liriena]

Look, I'm just saying, when history shows that Nazis coming into power leads to a fucking world war and the genocide of eleven million people, we should all take a good step back and ask ourselves, "why the fuck are there still Nazis around?"

I don't know, when history shows the horrors of communism and I still see people wearing Che shirts after the cold war I go " Why the fuck are Communists still around?"

Whataboutisms are such a weak tactic.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

I don't know, when history shows the horrors of communism and I still see people wearing Che shirts after the cold war I go " Why the fuck are Communists still around?"

Because Communism doesn't advocate genocide, and most modern Communists (bar the tankies) don't want that.

However, genocide is an inherent part of Nazism, and every single modern Nazi advocates it.

Genocide is the only measure for determining the moral inadequacies of an ideology.

[Kash Island]

I don't know, when history shows the horrors of communism and I still see people wearing Che shirts after the cold war I go " Why the fuck are Communists still around?"

Whataboutisms are such a weak tactic.

says the guy trying to paint antifa as this broad movement welcoming all anti-fascist people.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

I don't know, when history shows the horrors of communism and I still see people wearing Che shirts after the cold war I go " Why the fuck are Communists still around?"

Whataboutisms are such a weak tactic.

It's not a whataboutism. Kash is not a nazi.

[Liriena]

Not all of them, or even most of them, are anarcho-communists specifically. A lot are anarchists, period, or socialists. I'd even be willing to bet that there are some liberals in there too.

"a lot are anarchists and socialists"

that pretty much sums them up, yup....

anarchists and socialists =/= omg they are all anarcho-communists!!!11!

I say that as a socialist with anarchist sympathies.

[Jiyon]

Look, I'm just saying, when history shows that Nazis coming into power leads to a fucking world war and the genocide of eleven million people, we should all take a good step back and ask ourselves, "why the fuck are there still Nazis around?"

I don't know, when history shows the horrors of communism and I still see people wearing Che shirts after the cold war I go " Why the fuck are Communists still around?"

You have no clue what you are talking about. Communism doesn't support the mass killings of Jews and other races, Communism is a political ideology that was created to protect the poor. The fact that it can result in oppressive dictatorships (e.g. The Soviet Union) is not defendable, however, I can point out places where Communism has been successful. Just ask.

[Liriena]

Whataboutisms are such a weak tactic.

It's not a whataboutism. Kash is not a nazi.

They sure are engaging in an awful lot of thinly veiled nazi apologism, though.

[Liriena]

Whataboutisms are such a weak tactic.

says the guy trying to paint antifa as this broad movement welcoming all anti-fascist people.

I very explicitly said it's not a movement, so you just shot yourself in the foot with that attempt to deflect.

[Kash Island]

"a lot are anarchists and socialists"

that pretty much sums them up, yup....

anarchists and socialists =/= omg they are all anarcho-communists!!!11!

I say that as a socialist with anarchist sympathies.

not everyone is a communist, but the movement is a anarcho-communist one, just because you sprinkle some others in there dosn't change this fact.

if ANTIFA was just about being Anti-Fascist they would have people from all corners supporting them, but that won't happen because if a patriotic conservative who hates facsism showed up to an antifa rally he would probably be assaulted so keep playing like they are heroes of a just cause..

[The Empire of Pretantia]

overgeneralization?

they openly admit to being anarcho-communists, they even sport the red/black.

Not all of them, or even most of them, are anarcho-communists specifically. A lot are anarchists, period, or socialists. I'd even be willing to bet that there are some liberals in there too.

[Liriena]

anarchists and socialists =/= omg they are all anarcho-communists!!!11!

I say that as a socialist with anarchist sympathies.

not everyone is a communist, but the movement is a anarcho-communist one, just because you sprinkle some others in there dosn't change this fact.

Oh? It's an established fact?

if ANTIFA was just about being Anti-Fascist they would have people from all corners supporting them, but that won't happen because if a patriotic conservative who hates facsism showed up to an antifa rally he would probably be assaulted so keep playing like they are heroes of a just cause..

Speculation is not, in and of itself, an argument.

[Jiyon]

Whataboutisms are such a weak tactic.

says the guy trying to paint antifa as this broad movement welcoming all anti-fascist people.

I don't understand, why are you trying to defend Nazis? It's not a political ideology, it's perversion!

[Torrocca]

Not all of them, or even most of them, are anarcho-communists specifically. A lot are anarchists, period, or socialists. I'd even be willing to bet that there are some liberals in there too.

one tankie spraypainting = every AntiFa member wants to kill all non-commies

[Liriena]

Not all of them, or even most of them, are anarcho-communists specifically. A lot are anarchists, period, or socialists. I'd even be willing to bet that there are some liberals in there too.

Clearly, that was made with the consent of every person ever involved in antifa activism.

[Torrocca]

Because Communism doesn't advocate genocide, and most modern Communists (bar the tankies) don't want that.

However, genocide is an inherent part of Nazism, and every single modern Nazi advocates it.

Genocide is the only measure for determining the moral inadequacies of an ideology.

It's a damn good measure, that's for sure.

[Kash Island]

not everyone is a communist, but the movement is a anarcho-communist one, just because you sprinkle some others in there dosn't change this fact.

Oh? It's an established fact?

if ANTIFA was just about being Anti-Fascist they would have people from all corners supporting them, but that won't happen because if a patriotic conservative who hates facsism showed up to an antifa rally he would probably be assaulted so keep playing like they are heroes of a just cause..

Speculation is not, in and of itself, an argument.

It's not speculation, the group is anarcho-communist and all evidence points towards them being anticapitalist and violent.

They even share the banner of the communists in 1930's Germany, with the same name and colors with black added.

It's a logical conclusion to make, not to mention many of them advocate anti-capitalism and violence.

are you done playing make believe?