What about ANTIFA?

[Computer Lab]

The right get blamed. But in public settings it is not they who bring the violence, it is antifa.
The black hoods start the violence, somebody protects themselves, and then all the blame gets shifted (in the msm) to those nasty right wingers that we needed an excuse to pile up on.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nati ... story.html

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/0 ... /22067671/

It's funny, really. Many Americans apparently think nazis aren't that bad, even though that belief is pretty much equivalent to desecrating the graves of the countless people who died fighting those goddamn nazis or who were murdered by them. You should be glad that there's a dedicated opposition to those horrible twats, an opposition perfectly willing to arm themselves according to the apparently divine principles of the 2nd Amendment. People consider it perfectly normal when white nationalists and neonazis stockpile weapons, but when their left wing opponents do exactly the same, suddenly the racist filth and the easily manipulated gullible fools screech tErrOrIsM. Those fuckers clearly don't like it when the playing field is actually levelled.

Or or or, we could think that anyone who commits political violence is breaking the law and causing problems for the general populace. How crazy?

Nazis believe in a disgusting ideology and I don't support them, but meeting them with violence in the streets isn't the way to deal with them.

Both sides can stockpile weapons for all I care. I think it's an unnecessary action for the most part, but I wouldn't vote to restrict gun ownership.

[The Alma Mater]

Nazis believe in a disgusting ideology and I don't support them, but meeting them with violence in the streets isn't the way to deal with them

Then what is ? Bring out the bongs and flowers ?

[Torrocca]

Nazis believe in a disgusting ideology and I don't support them, but meeting them with violence in the streets isn't the way to deal with them

Then what is ? Bring out the bongs and flowers ?

Don't ya know? That's how we beat the Nazis in World War Two!

[Dylar]

Nazis believe in a disgusting ideology and I don't support them, but meeting them with violence in the streets isn't the way to deal with them

Then what is ? Bring out the bongs and flowers ?

No, but having a civilized discussion about why their ideology is wrong, and trying to educate them would work a lot better than repeatedly bashing their heads in with a PVC pipe in the middle of the road...
/exaggeration

[Albrenia]

I highly doubt either of those solutions is productive. I mean, at least with the bongs mentioned earlier someone would be happy.

[Folik]

I believe those Antifa people are terrorists. No, I'm not equating them to fascists, white supremacists, etc. If you just look at the definition of terrorism, it's abundantly clear that they are terrorists.

ter·ror·ism
[ˈterəˌrizəm]
NOUN

the use of VIOLENCE AND INTIMIDATION in the pursuit of POLITICAL aims.

I don't support terrorism. No one should.

[Albrenia]

[ˈterəˌrizəm]
NOUN

the use of VIOLENCE AND INTIMIDATION in the pursuit of POLITICAL aims.

I don't support terrorism. No one should.

Uh... wouldn't that definition make a soldier going to war to fight (which is violent) for freedom (a political aim) a terrorist? I don't really agree with that.

[Torrocca]

[ˈterəˌrizəm]
NOUN

the use of VIOLENCE AND INTIMIDATION in the pursuit of POLITICAL aims.

I don't support terrorism. No one should.

Uh... wouldn't that definition make a soldier going to war to fight (which is violent) for freedom (a political aim) a terrorist? I don't really agree with that.

Something something one man's terrorist something something another man's freedom fighter.

[Gim]

I believe those Antifa people are terrorists. No, I'm not equating them to fascists, white supremacists, etc. If you just look at the definition of terrorism, it's abundantly clear that they are terrorists.

ter·ror·ism
[ˈterəˌrizəm]
NOUN

the use of VIOLENCE AND INTIMIDATION in the pursuit of POLITICAL aims.

I don't support terrorism. No one should.

What dictionary is that from?

[Computer Lab]

Nazis believe in a disgusting ideology and I don't support them, but meeting them with violence in the streets isn't the way to deal with them

Then what is ? Bring out the bongs and flowers ?

It's almost like we have these things called laws, and police to enforce them. Nazis are likely to do things that break the law. Let em get cuffed and thrown in jail. You know, how criminals are supposed to be dealt with rather than vigilantism?

[Jiyon]

I believe those Antifa people are terrorists. No, I'm not equating them to fascists, white supremacists, etc. If you just look at the definition of terrorism, it's abundantly clear that they are terrorists.

ter·ror·ism
[ˈterəˌrizəm]
NOUN

the use of VIOLENCE AND INTIMIDATION in the pursuit of POLITICAL aims.

I don't support terrorism. No one should.

Look, ANTIFA is by no means the right way to eliminate Neo-Nazism. However, it's not they who instigated the Alt-Right at Charlottesville; it's actually vice versa. Why don't you believe that the White Supremacists are terrorists? They're the ones spreading messages of hate and creating violence in the streets; all evidence points to that. In fact, in Charlottesville, other than the deaths of two brave officers in a helicopter accident, the only other death was that of a PEACEFUL, ANTI-WHITE SUPREMACISM PROTESTOR, who was murdered intentionally when a car, driven by Neo-Nazis, drove right into her. And, according, to you, the ANTIFA are terrorists. It's clearly the Alt-Right who created that violence, the blame is on them, 100%. Don't let fact get clouded by bigotry.

[Greater Cesnica]

I believe those Antifa people are terrorists. No, I'm not equating them to fascists, white supremacists, etc. If you just look at the definition of terrorism, it's abundantly clear that they are terrorists.

ter·ror·ism
[ˈterəˌrizəm]
NOUN

the use of VIOLENCE AND INTIMIDATION in the pursuit of POLITICAL aims.

I don't support terrorism. No one should.

Look, ANTIFA is by no means the right way to eliminate Neo-Nazism. However, it's not they who instigated the Alt-Right at Charlottesville; it's actually vice versa. Why don't you believe that the White Supremacists are terrorists? They're the ones spreading messages of hate and creating violence in the streets; all evidence points to that. In fact, in Charlottesville, other than the deaths of two brave officers in a helicopter accident, the only other death was that of a PEACEFUL, ANTI-WHITE SUPREMACISM PROTESTOR, who was murdered intentionally when a car, driven by Neo-Nazis, drove right into her. And, according, to you, the ANTIFA are terrorists. It's clearly the Alt-Right who created that violence, the blame is on them, 100%. Don't let fact get clouded by bigotry.

Do you not understand that both sides are terrorists? Simple.

[Folik]

I believe those Antifa people are terrorists. No, I'm not equating them to fascists, white supremacists, etc. If you just look at the definition of terrorism, it's abundantly clear that they are terrorists.

ter·ror·ism
[ˈterəˌrizəm]
NOUN

the use of VIOLENCE AND INTIMIDATION in the pursuit of POLITICAL aims.

I don't support terrorism. No one should.

Look, ANTIFA is by no means the right way to eliminate Neo-Nazism. However, it's not they who instigated the Alt-Right at Charlottesville; it's actually vice versa. Why don't you believe that the White Supremacists are terrorists? They're the ones spreading messages of hate and creating violence in the streets; all evidence points to that. In fact, in Charlottesville, other than the deaths of two brave officers in a helicopter accident, the only other death was that of a PEACEFUL, ANTI-WHITE SUPREMACISM PROTESTOR, who was murdered intentionally when a car, driven by Neo-Nazis, drove right into her. And, according, to you, the ANTIFA are terrorists. It's clearly the Alt-Right who created that violence, the blame is on them, 100%. Don't let fact get clouded by bigotry.

Uh, I do believe white supremacists that engage in violence are terrorists. The discussion was about Antifa, that's why I didn't mention other groups. Having a hateful ideology isn't a reason to attack someone, though. I believe in violence ONLY in self-defense.

[Jiyon]

Look, ANTIFA is by no means the right way to eliminate Neo-Nazism. However, it's not they who instigated the Alt-Right at Charlottesville; it's actually vice versa. Why don't you believe that the White Supremacists are terrorists? They're the ones spreading messages of hate and creating violence in the streets; all evidence points to that. In fact, in Charlottesville, other than the deaths of two brave officers in a helicopter accident, the only other death was that of a PEACEFUL, ANTI-WHITE SUPREMACISM PROTESTOR, who was murdered intentionally when a car, driven by Neo-Nazis, drove right into her. And, according, to you, the ANTIFA are terrorists. It's clearly the Alt-Right who created that violence, the blame is on them, 100%. Don't let fact get clouded by bigotry.

Uh, I do believe white supremacists that engage in violence are terrorists. The discussion was about Antifa, that's why I didn't mention other groups. Having a hateful ideology isn't a reason to attack someone, though. I believe in violence ONLY in self-defense.

Of course, but my point is, ANTIFA was only acting in self defense at Charlottesville; as I stated, the only intentional death there was done by the violent Alt-Rights, not ANTIFA.

[Kash Island]

Uh, I do believe white supremacists that engage in violence are terrorists. The discussion was about Antifa, that's why I didn't mention other groups. Having a hateful ideology isn't a reason to attack someone, though. I believe in violence ONLY in self-defense.

Of course, but my point is, ANTIFA was only acting in self defense at Charlottesville; as I stated, the only intentional death there was done by the violent Alt-Rights, not ANTIFA.

lol, ANTFA and self-defense? do you know nothing of ANTIFA or what it claims to represent and it's goals?

jesus.

[Torrocca]

Of course, but my point is, ANTIFA was only acting in self defense at Charlottesville; as I stated, the only intentional death there was done by the violent Alt-Rights, not ANTIFA.

lol, ANTFA and self-defense? do you know nothing of ANTIFA or what it claims to represent and it's goals?

jesus.

I'd consider beating up Nazis to be preemptive self-defense. Especially for, y'know, the minorities they want to vehemently genocide.

[The East Marches II]

lol, ANTFA and self-defense? do you know nothing of ANTIFA or what it claims to represent and it's goals?

jesus.

I'd consider beating up Nazis to be preemptive self-defense. Especially for, y'know, the minorities they want to vehemently genocide.

Bush doctrine adherent confirmed

[Grinning Dragon]

Uh, I do believe white supremacists that engage in violence are terrorists. The discussion was about Antifa, that's why I didn't mention other groups. Having a hateful ideology isn't a reason to attack someone, though. I believe in violence ONLY in self-defense.

Of course, but my point is, ANTIFA was only acting in self defense at Charlottesville; as I stated, the only intentional death there was done by the violent Alt-Rights, not ANTIFA.

In what way can you make the claim that antifa were acting in self defense, do you have proof that the other group threw the first punch or physically attacked first?
Hurtful words or bearing arms or the perception of being intimidating are not grounds to claim self defense.

[Kash Island]

lol, ANTFA and self-defense? do you know nothing of ANTIFA or what it claims to represent and it's goals?

jesus.

I'd consider beating up Nazis to be preemptive self-defense. Especially for, y'know, the minorities they want to vehemently genocide.

so you don't know what your talking about....

beating up nazi's is not "preemptive self-defense" it's called assault and it's against the law and also devalues the the ability for others to speak freely as it spreads the idea that violence is an acceptable form of protest.

and when the word nazi is thrown around like sprinkles on a fat kids cake it loses it's worth.

[Liriena]

This is more or less how i view them.

Naive.

Actually, I'd dare say it's the most realistic view. Antifa is nothing more than an umbrella term for anti-fascist activism. It's not an organization or a movement with anything ressembling a centralized structure. And I think a lot of people who just discovered antifa and are clutching their pearls at them don't understand the difference between antifa action in general and black bloc actions in particular.

[Kash Island]

Naive.

Actually, I'd dare say it's the most realistic view. Antifa is nothing more than an umbrella term for anti-fascist activism. It's not an organization or a movement with anything ressembling a centralized structure. And I think a lot of people who just discovered antifa and are clutching their pearls at them don't understand the difference between antifa action in general and black bloc actions in particular.

um no it's not an "umbrella term"

they are anarcho-communists, just because they go " look were all antifascist" dosn't mean they are in anyway one the "good guys"

[Grinning Dragon]

Actually, I'd dare say it's the most realistic view. Antifa is nothing more than an umbrella term for anti-fascist activism. It's not an organization or a movement with anything ressembling a centralized structure. And I think a lot of people who just discovered antifa and are clutching their pearls at them don't understand the difference between antifa action in general and black bloc actions in particular.

um no it's not an "umbrella term"

they are anarcho-communists, just because they go " look were all antifascist" dosn't mean they are in anyway one the "good guys"

Actually at this point the FA part of their name should just be changed to reflect the initials "First Amendment", as that is what they seem to be against.

[Liriena]

I'd consider beating up Nazis to be preemptive self-defense. Especially for, y'know, the minorities they want to vehemently genocide.

Bush doctrine adherent confirmed

Of course! We all follow the doctrine of comrade Jeb!

[Kash Island]

um no it's not an "umbrella term"

they are anarcho-communists, just because they go " look were all antifascist" dosn't mean they are in anyway one the "good guys"

Actually at this point the FA part of their name should just be changed to reflect the initials "First Amendment", as that is what they seem to be against.

^ might as well, since anything that is even center-right is "NEO NAZI!"

these are the people who destroyed berkley over a freedom of speech.

[Jiyon]

Naive.

Actually, I'd dare say it's the most realistic view. Antifa is nothing more than an umbrella term for anti-fascist activism. It's not an organization or a movement with anything ressembling a centralized structure. And I think a lot of people who just discovered antifa and are clutching their pearls at them don't understand the difference between antifa action in general and black bloc actions in particular.

Exactly what I mean!