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Postby Hurdergaryp » Wed Aug 23, 2017 9:35 am

Sovaal wrote:
Hurdergaryp wrote:Clearly you were persecuted brutally at that moment.

Extremely. The cops shot me three times when all I was doing was peacefully reaching for their guns. :p

A martyr for the cause, that's what you are.


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Postby Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft » Wed Aug 23, 2017 9:40 am

I'm politically left but I strongly condemn ANTIFA (I'm British so we don't have the alt-right/ANTIFA to anywhere near the US's extent, but we do have damn Brexit supporters dragging us out of the EU)

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Postby Ecelea » Wed Aug 23, 2017 9:42 am

The left owns the vast majority of the media. ANTIFA members are potential voters and supporters of the Democratic Party. It's not in their interests to make a big deal out of it, they don't acknowledge ANTIFA for the same reason Trump didn't directly acknowledge Alt-Right violence. Unfortunately, politics are more about staying in power than doing what's right for the nation.

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Postby Greater Cesnica » Wed Aug 23, 2017 11:22 am

Ecelea wrote:The left owns the vast majority of the media. ANTIFA members are potential voters and supporters of the Democratic Party. It's not in their interests to make a big deal out of it, they don't acknowledge ANTIFA for the same reason Trump didn't directly acknowledge Alt-Right violence. Unfortunately, politics are more about staying in power than doing what's right for the nation.

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Postby Oldenfranck » Wed Aug 23, 2017 12:17 pm

But but, her emails...

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Postby Cosmalia » Wed Aug 23, 2017 12:44 pm

It's weird how people will try and defend a group simply because the group claims to hold beliefs that they also do.

Not even because the group actually does believe the same things as them, but because they said they do, people defend them, and they defend them blindly.
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Postby Nexus of All Realities » Wed Aug 23, 2017 12:56 pm

Cosmalia wrote:It's weird how people will try and defend a group simply because the group claims to hold beliefs that they also do.

Not even because the group actually does believe the same things as them, but because they said they do, people defend them, and they defend them blindly.

Sometimes SOBs might get you where you want to go. {shrug}

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Postby Trotskylvania » Wed Aug 23, 2017 1:13 pm

Lugardia wrote:
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Germany's economic recovery during that period wasn't necessarily the result of any ingenious policy by President Hindenburg; it was his decision to seek financial assistance from the United States government, thereby making the survival of the German economy dependent upon the Americans. When the stock market crashed in 1929, Germany's economy imploded.

I'm not talking about the economic policy, I'm talking about the fact that democracy in Germany during 1924-1929 was immensily strong. There were no problems in society that communists and fascists could use for their own gains. Germany failed after 1929 because a problem started and instead of the democratic forces standing their ground against them they actually joined in their tactics.

Besides that we have to recognise that the belief in a democratic system in the former central power countries was never high, and as such the democratic system itself could usually never develop properly. This problem can also end up happening in America if government institutions only implement crackdowns on one side of the population because of their ideology while defending another, thus destroying the democratic system's merits.

This is not true in the slightest.

Support for the Republic was barely majoritarian. And while the public may have nominally supported the republic through the 20s, the institutions of state: the army, police, judiciary, civil service; were thoroughly reactionary. They remained monarchist reactionaries and constantly undermined the republic. They would serve as the handmaidens of the Nazi take over, aiding and abetting their rise at every step of the way.

The Nazis used the freedom of action they'd been granted from a lethal combination of liberal tolerance and reactionary perfidy. You cannot argue down totalitarians who wish to murder you.
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Postby The New Repub1ic of Rome » Wed Aug 23, 2017 2:30 pm

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Because Antifa dindu muffin ever to innocent people who just happened to be nearby and who looked "Too Fascist" like other extremist groups either.

Or, you know, trash public property.

Not to say they're the only ones, but they're hardly vigilante heroes off to save the world from evil Nazis.

Obviously if anyone is actually involved in committing a criminal offence they should be prosecuted. Antifa just don't need to be targeted wholesale as a group that is inherently harmful like, you know, Nazis and the KKK.

OK, but modern day Nazis and KKK members aren't going around looking for a fight. Meanwhile every time a right wing speaker is invited to anything Antifa is always there, and it usually ends with Antifa initiating violence. People getting hit with a bike lock, homemade weapons being confiscated by police, pepper spraying people in MAGA hats, that sort of thing. If I remember right (I will have to look this up) Antifa have actually killed a few people, and none of these instances have been covered by any news platform, but when any left winger is hurt or killed every news station is immediately on that, and begin vilifying everyone invokved. Except any left wing groups, they didn't do nuffin.

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Postby Pope Joan » Wed Aug 23, 2017 2:41 pm

Antifa show up with molotov cocktails and start a violent riot, and those who had peacefully assembled and had a permit to do so are blamed for it.

and of course it is all supposed to be Trump's fault.

He seems correct in his assessment of the msm.
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Postby Torrocca » Wed Aug 23, 2017 2:47 pm

Pope Joan wrote:Antifa show up with molotov cocktails and start a violent riot, and those who had peacefully assembled and had a permit to do so are blamed for it.

and of course it is all supposed to be Trump's fault.

He seems correct in his assessment of the msm.


The counter-protesters had permits too. Two, in fact. Also, of fucking course the Nazis would be blamed after they decided to murder someone with a car in an act of terrorism. Do facts not matter anymore?
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Postby Hurdergaryp » Wed Aug 23, 2017 3:04 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Pope Joan wrote:Antifa show up with molotov cocktails and start a violent riot, and those who had peacefully assembled and had a permit to do so are blamed for it.

and of course it is all supposed to be Trump's fault.

He seems correct in his assessment of the msm.

The counter-protesters had permits too. Two, in fact. Also, of fucking course the Nazis would be blamed after they decided to murder someone with a car in an act of terrorism. Do facts not matter anymore?

If some people here are to be believed, modern day nazis and KKK members are pretty much pacifist hippies. Please disregard any instances of violence coming from that corner of dedicated racists with frustrated former slave owner ancestors and fanboys of genocidal totalitarianism, because clearly that is the the fault of the mainstream media and false flag operations.

Also the earth is flat and vaccines cause autism.


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Postby Torrocca » Wed Aug 23, 2017 3:16 pm

Hurdergaryp wrote:
Torrocca wrote:The counter-protesters had permits too. Two, in fact. Also, of fucking course the Nazis would be blamed after they decided to murder someone with a car in an act of terrorism. Do facts not matter anymore?

If some people here are to be believed, modern day nazis and KKK members are pretty much pacifist hippies. Please disregard any instances of violence coming from that corner of dedicated racists with frustrated former slave owner ancestors and fanboys of genocidal totalitarianism, because clearly that is the the fault of the mainstream media and false flag operations.

Also the earth is flat and vaccines cause autism.


If only we were a bit rougher on the Nazis post-war.
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Postby Seangoli » Wed Aug 23, 2017 3:26 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Pope Joan wrote:Antifa show up with molotov cocktails and start a violent riot, and those who had peacefully assembled and had a permit to do so are blamed for it.

and of course it is all supposed to be Trump's fault.

He seems correct in his assessment of the msm.


The counter-protesters had permits too. Two, in fact. Also, of fucking course the Nazis would be blamed after they decided to murder someone with a car in an act of terrorism. Do facts not matter anymore?


Not to mention that the Ralliers left their agreed upon path and b-lined straight towards the area the counter-protesters had gathered.

And the night before the Ralliers threw torches at counter protesters.

And the Police Chief himself stated that the Ralliers started the violence, and the counter protesters were largely non violent.

But hey, the Neo Nazis are victims.

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Postby Torrocca » Wed Aug 23, 2017 3:29 pm

Seangoli wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
The counter-protesters had permits too. Two, in fact. Also, of fucking course the Nazis would be blamed after they decided to murder someone with a car in an act of terrorism. Do facts not matter anymore?


Not to mention that the Ralliers left their agreed upon path and b-lined straight towards the area the counter-protesters had gathered.

And the night before the Ralliers threw torches at counter protesters.

And the Police Chief himself stated that the Ralliers started the violence, and the counter protesters were largely non violent.

But hey, the Neo Nazis are victims.


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Postby Hurdergaryp » Wed Aug 23, 2017 3:30 pm

Seangoli wrote:
Torrocca wrote:The counter-protesters had permits too. Two, in fact. Also, of fucking course the Nazis would be blamed after they decided to murder someone with a car in an act of terrorism. Do facts not matter anymore?

Not to mention that the Ralliers left their agreed upon path and b-lined straight towards the area the counter-protesters had gathered.

And the night before the Ralliers threw torches at counter protesters.

And the Police Chief himself stated that the Ralliers started the violence, and the counter protesters were largely non violent.

But hey, the Neo Nazis are victims.

Oh, absolutely. They're not even allowed to organize genocides anymore, and what good is it being a nazi if you cannot murder millions of innocent citizens?


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Postby Rio Cana » Wed Aug 23, 2017 5:06 pm

While trying to check on how the East Germans leadership in 1946 were able to get the German people who supposedly were mostly pro-fascists to becoming pro-socialist (getting millions of people who are at one end of the political spectrum to the other end of the political spectrum cannot be an easy thing;; West Germany is different since going from fascism to capitalism, capitalism had once flourished in Germany, would have been much better accepted), I found out that the left in Germany had just been dormant during the war. That once the war was winding down they came back even though they did not have the numbers they had pre-fascism. These german groups are considered the true Antifa. The Antifa of today are nothing like those found in Germany back then.

This explains it all. It's quite informative. You actually never hear about this in most history classes or books on Germany during and after the war. Its titled "The Lost History of Antifa".

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2017/05/anti ... y-cold-war
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Postby Murray land » Wed Aug 23, 2017 6:37 pm

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Murray land wrote:On May day Antifa showed up downtown some kid with antifa thought he could talk crap at me in my F*ck ISIS shirt so me and my buddies dumped him head first in one of those big outdoor trash cans :rofl: that's what I think of Antifa. It was funny he had a pvc pipe in his hand and was trying to look all badass an say I was islamophobic and white trash so he got shown what was what real quick. #liberaltearstastesogood

Please don't post your masturbatory fantasies on NSG.

Triggering Ifreann is probably one of my favorite parts of this site. Prob because that old brony never leaves their computer. :rofl:
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Postby Trotskylvania » Wed Aug 23, 2017 7:06 pm

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Ifreann wrote:Please don't post your masturbatory fantasies on NSG.

Triggering Ifreann is probably one of my favorite parts of this site. Prob because that old brony never leaves their computer. :rofl:

Look mate, if you don't want to get called out, maybe try making your tough guy fantasies believable first
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Postby Murray land » Wed Aug 23, 2017 7:09 pm

Trotskylvania wrote:
Murray land wrote:Triggering Ifreann is probably one of my favorite parts of this site. Prob because that old brony never leaves their computer. :rofl:

Look mate, if you don't want to get called out, maybe try making your tough guy fantasies believable first

Getting called out was the point.
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Postby Menardocracy » Wed Aug 23, 2017 7:09 pm

Philjia wrote:They're a disparate bunch of random left wingers of various stripes who really want to beat up Nazis, fascists, and white supremacists. They aren't terribly nice, but neither are they terribly important, prominent, or dangerous. The best way to identify a closet sympathiser to Nazis, fascists, and white supremacists is to note that they're mad about Antifa, because why else would you be mad about a group who's sole reason to exist is to beat up extremist wankers?

They don't just beat up Nazis, fascists and white supremacists. Antifa is an anarchist group, which means that they promote social unrest (which they have caused at almost every liberal protest). Anarchism also promotes the legalization of all crime including murder, and anarchism is the ideology of antifa. This means that antifa holds an ideology that promotes social unrest and legalization of ALL crime, which in antifa's case is targeted at a specific group of people: straight cisgendered able-bodied neurotypical christian white males. Since antifa promotes violence towards all straight cisgendered able-bodied neurotypical christian white males, they are a disgusting horrific degenerate hate group that uses terrorist tactics to spread their anarchist ideology. They all need to be shut down and never have a voice, as their only goals are to spread anarchism, violence, and hate. Their violence also isn't limited just to straight cisgendered able-bodied neurotypical christian white males, with last weekend's antifa assault of a black woman holding an American flag. Long story short, antifa is not really an innocent anti-hate civil rights group. Antifa is a violent and dangerous anarchist terrorist organization that labels anyone who isn't an anarchist a fascist or a nazi, and anyone who isn't anti-white a white supremacist.

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Postby Murray land » Wed Aug 23, 2017 7:14 pm

Trotskylvania wrote:
Murray land wrote:Triggering Ifreann is probably one of my favorite parts of this site. Prob because that old brony never leaves their computer. :rofl:

Look mate, if you don't want to get called out, maybe try making your tough guy fantasies believable first

Ifreann clone account poss? ^^^
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Postby Kubra » Wed Aug 23, 2017 8:33 pm

Menardocracy wrote:
Philjia wrote:They're a disparate bunch of random left wingers of various stripes who really want to beat up Nazis, fascists, and white supremacists. They aren't terribly nice, but neither are they terribly important, prominent, or dangerous. The best way to identify a closet sympathiser to Nazis, fascists, and white supremacists is to note that they're mad about Antifa, because why else would you be mad about a group who's sole reason to exist is to beat up extremist wankers?

They don't just beat up Nazis, fascists and white supremacists. Antifa is an anarchist group, which means that they promote social unrest (which they have caused at almost every liberal protest). Anarchism also promotes the legalization of all crime including murder, and anarchism is the ideology of antifa. This means that antifa holds an ideology that promotes social unrest and legalization of ALL crime, which in antifa's case is targeted at a specific group of people: straight cisgendered able-bodied neurotypical christian white males. Since antifa promotes violence towards all straight cisgendered able-bodied neurotypical christian white males, they are a disgusting horrific degenerate hate group that uses terrorist tactics to spread their anarchist ideology. They all need to be shut down and never have a voice, as their only goals are to spread anarchism, violence, and hate. Their violence also isn't limited just to straight cisgendered able-bodied neurotypical christian white males, with last weekend's antifa assault of a black woman holding an American flag. Long story short, antifa is not really an innocent anti-hate civil rights group. Antifa is a violent and dangerous anarchist terrorist organization that labels anyone who isn't an anarchist a fascist or a nazi, and anyone who isn't anti-white a white supremacist.
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Postby Kubra » Wed Aug 23, 2017 8:34 pm

Murray land wrote:
Trotskylvania wrote:Look mate, if you don't want to get called out, maybe try making your tough guy fantasies believable first

Ifreann clone account poss? ^^^
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Postby USS Monitor » Wed Aug 23, 2017 8:51 pm

Murray land wrote:On May day Antifa showed up downtown some kid with antifa thought he could talk crap at me in my F*ck ISIS shirt so me and my buddies dumped him head first in one of those big outdoor trash cans :rofl: that's what I think of Antifa. It was funny he had a pvc pipe in his hand and was trying to look all badass an say I was islamophobic and white trash so he got shown what was what real quick. #liberaltearstastesogood


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