What about ANTIFA?

[Kubra]

party, medieval lynch mob, what's the difference?

I wouldn't say that Nazis would be led by this ugly bastard

ustase have never been particularly attractive

[Imperializt Russia]

False flag operations are a popular fictional concept these days, unfortunately the term is used to describe real tragedies as never having happened and/or being staged. Typical conspiracy theory maliciousness.

The incidents in Charlottesville were such obvious bullshit.

A bunch of 20 year olds with tiki torches ain't gonna hurt nobody, at least not on purpose.

uhhh huhhhh.

Substantiate this.

[Hurdergaryp]

The incidents in Charlottesville were such obvious bullshit.

A bunch of 20 year olds with tiki torches ain't gonna hurt nobody, at least not on purpose.

uhhh huhhhh.

Substantiate this.

Russia Today or Breitbart probably had an article about it.

[Aellex]

Tiki torches mate

really

Koh-Lanta has become hardcore, mate.

[New Grestin]

If we're all being honest here, Antifa and the Far-Right are both just as much of an issue as the other.

Antifa are a gang of hooligans that are using intimidation and violence to silence opponents, such as the Berkeley Bike Lock Incident when one of them nearly killed someone.

The Far Right is doing the same, albeit with a more murderous bent now, what with the running people over in cars and such.

They're two sides of the same, extreme radical coin and if we're ever going to get past the ideological divide that the United States in particular faces, they both need to be dealt with.

The only way we'll ever find any political common ground between both sides again is by compromise and meeting in the middle.

[Imperializt Russia]

Russia Today or Breitbart probably had an article about it.

Nope.

Other than those incidents that were faked, the one with the car which i believe is real, happened because they were assaulting his car.

If i was a black man and i was assaulted by redneck KKK hillbillies i wouldn't care i'd drive over them just to escape.

Attacked by what?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont ... c42nBeBV-E
This video starts when the car is still 30-40 metres up the road from the crowd. It charges maybe 100 metres down the road, then reverses back the same way, in high speed at both directions.

Since he demonstrated quite aptly how quickly and easily he could reverse away, why not just do that in the first place? :^)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLeIZZ22D-U
This is aerial footage. The Challenger is obstructed from view by the buildings, but the vehicle shunts two other vehicles to drive them further into the crowd. This is what causes the front-end damage to the Challenger.

[Nexus of All Realities]

If we're all being honest here, Antifa and the Far-Right are both just as much of an issue as the other.

Antifa are a gang of hooligans that are using intimidation and violence to silence opponents, such as the Berkeley Bike Lock Incident when one of them nearly killed someone.

The Far Right is doing the same, albeit with a more murderous bent now, what with the running people over in cars and such.

They're two sides of the same, extreme radical coin and if we're ever going to get past the ideological divide that the United States in particular faces, they both need to be dealt with.

The only way we'll ever find any political common ground between both sides again is by compromise and meeting in the middle.

It could still be a false flag/lone wolf/total wacko acting alone. The most violent among them (and possibly criminal) are probably not merely 'far-right' but Neo-Nazis; hard to control.


I don't think there is a middle anymore. There are only two separate sides each of whom have to be allowed to go in their own direction. .......

[Murray land]

On May day Antifa showed up downtown some kid with antifa thought he could talk crap at me in my F*ck ISIS shirt so me and my buddies dumped him head first in one of those big outdoor trash cans that's what I think of Antifa. It was funny he had a pvc pipe in his hand and was trying to look all badass an say I was islamophobic and white trash so he got shown what was what real quick. #liberaltearstastesogood

[Imperializt Russia]

If we're all being honest here, Antifa and the Far-Right are both just as much of an issue as the other.

Antifa are a gang of hooligans that are using intimidation and violence to silence opponents, such as the Berkeley Bike Lock Incident when one of them nearly killed someone.

The Far Right is doing the same, albeit with a more murderous bent now, what with the running people over in cars and such.

They're two sides of the same, extreme radical coin and if we're ever going to get past the ideological divide that the United States in particular faces, they both need to be dealt with.

The only way we'll ever find any political common ground between both sides again is by compromise and meeting in the middle.

It could still be a false flag/lone wolf/total wacko acting alone. The most violent among them (and possibly criminal) are probably not merely 'far-right' but Neo-Nazis; hard to control.


I don't think there is a middle anymore. There are only two separate sides each of whom have to be allowed to go in their own direction. .......

He's been pretty openly celebrated (or otherwise staunchly defended) by neo-Nazis, white supremacists and anyone else who buys into the "culture war", including politicians.

The woman he killed, inversely, has been pretty openly dehumanised. Daily Stormer elected to put as their headtitle, "Heather Heyes was a fat, childless 32 year old slut".
A man intentionally drove a car into a crowd of people holding signs reading "solidarity" and "love". And that is what white supremacists think of the person he killed.

[Nexus of All Realities]

It could still be a false flag/lone wolf/total wacko acting alone. The most violent among them (and possibly criminal) are probably not merely 'far-right' but Neo-Nazis; hard to control.


I don't think there is a middle anymore. There are only two separate sides each of whom have to be allowed to go in their own direction. .......

He's been pretty openly celebrated (or otherwise staunchly defended) by neo-Nazis, white supremacists and anyone else who buys into the "culture war", including politicians.

The woman he killed, inversely, has been pretty openly dehumanised. Daily Stormer elected to put as their headtitle, _ SNIP_ And that is what white supremacists think of the person he killed.

Daily Stormer vs. American Renaissance.

[Imperializt Russia]

Just out of curiosity, why did you choose to omit that section?

[Nexus of All Realities]

Just out of curiosity, why did you choose to omit that section?

Why help them dishonor her?

[FelrikTheDeleted]

I realise that people will slate me for what I am about to write, but let me paraphrase what UMN wrote.

"A woman was raped last night. But it wouldn't have happened if she hadn't been dressed like a slut. That's why women shouldn't dress like sluts, because it leads to men raping them"[...]

You've ignored the possibility of the second interpretation. As I said before, he could have simply been stating a fact — had they, both Antifa and the Neo-Nazi's, not been allowed to come close to one another, there'd have been no violence.

[...]But blaming the people who got run down by a car driven by the other side for BEING RUN DOWN BY A CAR DRIVEN BY THE OTHER SIDE is fucked up. [...]Who does that? [...]

You have failed to demonstrate that UMN has said that, you've merely stated it.

[...]There is no other way to describe them.

Of course there is, they're called people with tdifferent standards.

[Calladan]

False flag operations are a popular fictional concept these days, unfortunately the term is used to describe real tragedies as never having happened and/or being staged. Typical conspiracy theory maliciousness.

The incidents in Charlottesville were such obvious bullshit.

A bunch of 20 year olds with tiki torches ain't gonna hurt nobody, at least not on purpose.

Oh. It makes perfect sense now. The guy who drove the car into the protesters was clearly lost, saw a huge group of people and thought "I know - I will ask them for directions" and that's why he drove into them at full speed.

I am sure if he presents that as his defence he will get off the murder charge with no problem, because clearly I can't see how anyone would not believe him.

As a rule, I am not one to generalise, but if people are marching under swastika flags, wearing Nazi regalia, chanting Nazi slogans and generally behaving like Nazis, I feel comfortable with describing them as fractions of human beings, or - more accurately - barely human pieces of excrement who should be condemned by every civilised person on this planet (and the six people in the International Space Station). And when one of those people runs over a bunch of protesters in a car, I feel even more comfortable with removing the "barely human" part of my description.

[Imperializt Russia]

Just out of curiosity, why did you choose to omit that section?

Why help them dishonor her?

I considered my quoting of it to be illustrative of how disgusting these people are. At least half the people in even this thread would surely agree.

[Ifreann]

On May day Antifa showed up downtown some kid with antifa thought he could talk crap at me in my F*ck ISIS shirt so me and my buddies dumped him head first in one of those big outdoor trash cans that's what I think of Antifa. It was funny he had a pvc pipe in his hand and was trying to look all badass an say I was islamophobic and white trash so he got shown what was what real quick. #liberaltearstastesogood

Please don't post your masturbatory fantasies on NSG.

[Calladan]

I realise that people will slate me for what I am about to write, but let me paraphrase what UMN wrote.

"A woman was raped last night. But it wouldn't have happened if she hadn't been dressed like a slut. That's why women shouldn't dress like sluts, because it leads to men raping them"[...]

You've ignored the possibility of the second interpretation. As I said before, he could have simply been stating a fact — had they, both Antifa and the Neo-Nazi's, not been allowed to come close to one another, there'd have been no violence.

[...]But blaming the people who got run down by a car driven by the other side for BEING RUN DOWN BY A CAR DRIVEN BY THE OTHER SIDE is fucked up. [...]Who does that? [...]

You have failed to demonstrate that UMN has said that, you've merely stated it.

[...]There is no other way to describe them.

Of course there is, they're called people with tdifferent standards.

I am not going to debate someone who edits my post out of context. Either quote my entire post or leave it alone.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

I am not going to debate someone who edits my post out of context. Either quote my entire post or leave it alone.

How am I editing your post out of context? Your points are still intact, your opinion clear. I am attacking particular points found in the post — not the post in its entirety. I do this because most of your post is without substance worth addressing.

[Greater Cesnica]

Can everyone in this thread stop insulting me, please?

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And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.

What the fuck did you come here for then?

[Greater Cesnica]

Russia Today or Breitbart probably had an article about it.

Nope.

Other than those incidents that were faked, the one with the car which i believe is real, happened because they were assaulting his car.

If i was a black man and i was assaulted by redneck KKK hillbillies i wouldn't care i'd drive over them just to escape.

First of all, please give me your thought process on how some of these attacks were faked? Because clearly, you don't seem to hold on to that process. 12 posts ago, you were saying Charlottesville was bullshit. Now you're telling us you believe it to be real.

[Calladan]

I do have a question about AntiFa, although it will end up being a question about "the right" in American (and British) politics.

Why is it when someone on the far right (White Supremacists, Neo-Nazis, actual Nazis, KKK and so on) do something bad, stories almost at once start circulating that it might have been a false flag operation by "the left" or "by AntiFa"? Or - at a push - it is "a lone wolf" that has no connection to any of the organised groups?

And yet when AntiFa, or one of the other "far left" groups (I don't know enough about American politics to know who these groups would be, but I assume they exist?) do something bad (riot, protest that gets out of control, deface a public monument or something) OR there is a "terror attack" that is almost at once linked with Al-Qadea/ISIS/some other Islamist group, the far right and middle right and right in general just assume it is who everyone thinks it is?

Because I've noticed this in the UK as well. Not so much the "far left" activist groups, because we don't seem to have them over here (or least not ones that are as active - maybe because we don't have fascists and actual Nazis wandering around our streets. Who knew the freedom of speech laws we have would come in handy? Anyway - I digress) but whenever a white guy (and it is generally a guy) goes off his rocker and does something bad (attacking people with brown skin as a rule), the first reaction always seems to be "it is a lone wolf" or "it's a nutcase mental patient".

So why are people willing to believe that a terror attack from the left, or from a man with brown skin, has to be part of an organised thing, but a terror attack from the right has to be a lone wolf or a psychopath thing?

Are the left just intrinsically more organised, smarter, intelligent and better at planning big events? (Actually I can see that Just kidding!) Or is it something else?

Answers on a postcard, please

[Imperializt Russia]

I do have a question about AntiFa, although it will end up being a question about "the right" in American (and British) politics.

Why is it when someone on the far right (White Supremacists, Neo-Nazis, actual Nazis, KKK and so on) do something bad, stories almost at once start circulating that it might have been a false flag operation by "the left" or "by AntiFa"? Or - at a push - it is "a lone wolf" that has no connection to any of the organised groups?

And yet when AntiFa, or one of the other "far left" groups (I don't know enough about American politics to know who these groups would be, but I assume they exist?) do something bad (riot, protest that gets out of control, deface a public monument or something) OR there is a "terror attack" that is almost at once linked with Al-Qadea/ISIS/some other Islamist group, the far right and middle right and right in general just assume it is who everyone thinks it is?

Because I've noticed this in the UK as well. Not so much the "far left" activist groups, because we don't seem to have them over here (or least not ones that are as active - maybe because we don't have fascists and actual Nazis wandering around our streets. Who knew the freedom of speech laws we have would come in handy? Anyway - I digress) but whenever a white guy (and it is generally a guy) goes off his rocker and does something bad (attacking people with brown skin as a rule), the first reaction always seems to be "it is a lone wolf" or "it's a nutcase mental patient".

So why are people willing to believe that a terror attack from the left, or from a man with brown skin, has to be part of an organised thing, but a terror attack from the right has to be a lone wolf or a psychopath thing?

Are the left just intrinsically more organised, smarter, intelligent and better at planning big events? (Actually I can see that Just kidding!) Or is it something else?

Answers on a postcard, please

I view it as something of an intersection on racial prejudice, othering of foreigners and perceived foreigners (othering of ethnically diverse British-born persons) and the human need for a cohesive narrative - it's very easy to "understand" a terror attack when we can rationalise it as "oh, he did it because of IS, that makes sense, how awful, IS really are bad aren't they".

Obviously when a white Briton - a person who looks like you and ostensibly is you - does something horrendous, this narrative isn't so clean to find. Sometimes it is - "he was a Nazi", et al - but even in these cases, the presumption of "mental illness" causing some kind of failure of reason is used to partially excuse the person's actions.
Because otherwise, we'd have to contend the notion that maybe evil, callousness and murderous intent aren't racial markers, and no-one likes to think that people who they are like could be evil, because it means they could be evil.

[Autonomous Titoists]

I do have a question about AntiFa, although it will end up being a question about "the right" in American (and British) politics.

Why is it when someone on the far right (White Supremacists, Neo-Nazis, actual Nazis, KKK and so on) do something bad, stories almost at once start circulating that it might have been a false flag operation by "the left" or "by AntiFa"? Or - at a push - it is "a lone wolf" that has no connection to any of the organised groups?

And yet when AntiFa, or one of the other "far left" groups (I don't know enough about American politics to know who these groups would be, but I assume they exist?) do something bad (riot, protest that gets out of control, deface a public monument or something) OR there is a "terror attack" that is almost at once linked with Al-Qadea/ISIS/some other Islamist group, the far right and middle right and right in general just assume it is who everyone thinks it is?

Because I've noticed this in the UK as well. Not so much the "far left" activist groups, because we don't seem to have them over here (or least not ones that are as active - maybe because we don't have fascists and actual Nazis wandering around our streets. Who knew the freedom of speech laws we have would come in handy? Anyway - I digress) but whenever a white guy (and it is generally a guy) goes off his rocker and does something bad (attacking people with brown skin as a rule), the first reaction always seems to be "it is a lone wolf" or "it's a nutcase mental patient".

So why are people willing to believe that a terror attack from the left, or from a man with brown skin, has to be part of an organised thing, but a terror attack from the right has to be a lone wolf or a psychopath thing?

Are the left just intrinsically more organised, smarter, intelligent and better at planning big events? (Actually I can see that Just kidding!) Or is it something else?

Answers on a postcard, please

Antifa isn't an organization. There is no commission board to go make a complaint. Its a bunch of individuals collectively working together to prevent Nazis and white supremacists(any supremacists but I don't typically see many Jews saying we should kill all the gentiles so let's stick with the white distinction) from spouting off bullshit about killing all the brown people. People who treat individuals in Antifa like they're card carrying ACLU members is fucking laughable. People make mistakes, and sometimes they happen to be in a situation where they are affiliating themselves as being anti-fascist.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

I do have a question about AntiFa, although it will end up being a question about "the right" in American (and British) politics.

Why is it when someone on the far right (White Supremacists, Neo-Nazis, actual Nazis, KKK and so on) do something bad, stories almost at once start circulating that it might have been a false flag operation by "the left" or "by AntiFa"? Or - at a push - it is "a lone wolf" that has no connection to any of the organised groups?

And yet when AntiFa, or one of the other "far left" groups (I don't know enough about American politics to know who these groups would be, but I assume they exist?) do something bad (riot, protest that gets out of control, deface a public monument or something) OR there is a "terror attack" that is almost at once linked with Al-Qadea/ISIS/some other Islamist group, the far right and middle right and right in general just assume it is who everyone thinks it is?

Because I've noticed this in the UK as well. Not so much the "far left" activist groups, because we don't seem to have them over here (or least not ones that are as active - maybe because we don't have fascists and actual Nazis wandering around our streets. Who knew the freedom of speech laws we have would come in handy? Anyway - I digress) but whenever a white guy (and it is generally a guy) goes off his rocker and does something bad (attacking people with brown skin as a rule), the first reaction always seems to be "it is a lone wolf" or "it's a nutcase mental patient".

So why are people willing to believe that a terror attack from the left, or from a man with brown skin, has to be part of an organised thing, but a terror attack from the right has to be a lone wolf or a psychopath thing?

Are the left just intrinsically more organised, smarter, intelligent and better at planning big events? (Actually I can see that Just kidding!) Or is it something else?

Answers on a postcard, please

I am not going to debate someone who edits my post out of context. Either quote my entire post or leave it alone.

How am I editing your post out of context? Your points are still intact, your opinion clear. I am attacking particular points found in the post — not the post in its entirety. I do this because most of your post is without substance worth addressing.

Are you going to reply, m8, or no. Tell me now so I stop checking the thread.

[Trytaria]

I personally believe ANTIFA is a terrorist org., but the KKK and alt-right arent any better. They both:
>Vandalize
>Are being hateful towards others
>Try to stop free speech
>Give each side of the political spectrum a bad name
>Attack the Boys in Blue
>Are idiots.

Any alt-[insert political alignment here] is a bad [insert political alignment here].

EDIT: Only posting here once to state my opinion. Not debating.