What about ANTIFA?

[The Grene Knyght]

Says who? You?

Every communist regime ever, plus others

Does this most capitalists wouldn't mind "collateral damage" in their quest for "capitalism? Because I can cite a lot more wikipedia articles if I wanted to engage in the same logical falacies.

[Taihei Tengoku]

Every communist regime ever, plus others

Does this most capitalists wouldn't mind "collateral damage" in their quest for "capitalism? Because I can cite a lot more wikipedia articles if I wanted to engage in the same logical falacies.

I don't recall Lee Kuan Yew killing a quarter of his country and Singapore still being at the edge of starvation at the end but ok

[The Grene Knyght]

Does this most capitalists wouldn't mind "collateral damage" in their quest for "capitalism? Because I can cite a lot more wikipedia articles if I wanted to engage in the same logical falacies.

I don't recall Lee Kuan Yew killing a quarter of his country and Singapore still being at the edge of starvation at the end but ok

Does that comment have any relevance?

[Torrocca]

"I dunno, it's almost as if China the Chinese government elites realised as a nation the government elites that communism wasn't going to work for them to get anywhere in the world and decided to exploit the people instead of improve their lot."

Fixed that for you, friend.

So the crux of the argument is that China isn't communist enough? It kinda sounds like a risk of no true Scotsman fallacy coming into play.

Still, that kind of leads into the question if they were not communist enough, who precisely do you think has been?

No one has been, not in the modern age. To do so would require stateless societies with economic and social equality AKA the literal definition of Communism.

>Implying that modern Communists want to replicate those

This is the defense the left has had since Stalin's atrocities came to light in the fifties and yet it still keeps happening. Perhaps it is a more fundamental problem?

Perhaps it's a problem of totalitarian tyrants using Communism as a means to achieve their own personal gains?

>Implying that modern Communists want to replicate those

if we judge by their actions and the rhetoric, then modern communists think they can do better, but present evidence fails to convince this particular left leaning individual.

Totalitarian Communists =/= every Communist ever.

[Taihei Tengoku]

This is the defense the left has had since Stalin's atrocities came to light in the fifties and yet it still keeps happening. Perhaps it is a more fundamental problem?

Perhaps it's a problem of totalitarian tyrants using Communism as a means to achieve their own personal gains?

I wonder why it is so easy to hijack

[UniversalCommons]

Programs designed to counter violent extremism are being destroyed by the current administration. The current CVE program which used to focus on all types of extremism is now just focusing on Islam.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2017/02/23/trumps-cve-program There is also the elimination of program Life After Hate. The programs designed to combat right wing ideology are being eliminated. This limits the effectiveness of law enforcement when they are being sent a message that programs designed to prevent hate are being eliminated. It opens the country to increasingly polarized battles between left and right which are openly encouraged.

[Liriena]

Perhaps it's a problem of totalitarian tyrants using Communism as a means to achieve their own personal gains?

I wonder why it is so easy to hijack

You ask why communism is so easy to hijack for totalitarian tyrants... and here I am, fondly remembering all the free-market-loving dictators my side of the pond had to put up with (in no small part thanks to a bunch of "libertarian" economists like those often worshipped by think tanks like the FEE).

Seems to me that capitalism is just as easy, if not easier, to hijack.

[Liriena]

Says who? You?

Every communist regime ever, plus others

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnIsdVaCnUE

[Taihei Tengoku]

Every communist regime ever, plus others

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnIsdVaCnUE

bob mugabe: the video

[Liriena]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnIsdVaCnUE

bob mugabe: the video

What does the video have to do with Mugabe?

[Eol Sha]

Conor Friedersdorf had a great article on Antifa over in The Atlantic.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Every communist regime ever, plus others

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnIsdVaCnUE

"B-but they're not sharing!"

Boohoo?

[Torrocca]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnIsdVaCnUE

"B-but they're not sharing!"

Boohoo?

It's a wee bit of a valid concern when it allows easily resolvable deaths to happen.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

"B-but they're not sharing!"

Boohoo?

It's a wee bit of a valid concern when it allows easily resolvable deaths to happen.

*Nods* Boohoo.

[Torrocca]

It's a wee bit of a valid concern when it allows easily resolvable deaths to happen.

*Nods* Boohoo.

People perishing shall now and forever be summed up as, "boohoo, move on with life."

... Except if Communism is somehow remotely involved, in which case we shall say, "A-hah! See what we said from the beginning of Communism, when we directly pushed against it for years?! Communism causes problems!"

[Taihei Tengoku]

bob mugabe: the video

What does the video have to do with Mugabe?

Its conclusions are identical to those reached by Mugabe--that to resolve poverty you just need to plunder the right people.

For all its ten minutes of sliminess and disingenuity, even at its worst estimates, the reds have never produced a Norman Borlaug.

"B-but they're not sharing!"

Boohoo?

It's a wee bit of a valid concern when it allows easily resolvable deaths to happen. :roll:

Of course, this implies that abandoning free enterprise prevents them from happening. High fives all around, capitalists on suicide watch

[Torrocca]

What does the video have to do with Mugabe?

Its conclusions are identical to those reached by Mugabe--that to resolve poverty you just need to plunder the right people.

For all its ten minutes of sliminess and disingenuity, even at its worst estimates, the reds have never produced a Norman Borlaug.

It's a wee bit of a valid concern when it allows easily resolvable deaths to happen.

Of course, this implies that abandoning free enterprise prevents them from happening. High fives all around, capitalists on suicide watch

>Implying free enterprise is free to begin with

I'm sure all those disparaged poor people being exploited for capital and profit and left to suffer afterward would agree with that assessment, mate. ;^)

[Liriena]

*Nods* Boohoo.

People perishing shall now and forever be summed up as, "boohoo, move on with life."

... Except if Communism is somehow remotely involved, in which case we shall say, "A-hah! See what we said from the beginning of Communism, when we directly pushed against it for years?! Communism causes problems!"

I mean, most of us are raised and indoctrinated with the idea that capitalism is the most efficient system, a system that always rewards hard work with prosperity and in which only the lazy would be miserable... and then the reality shows us that it's a system that somehow manages to overproduce and still leave tens of millions to die for the terrible sin of being born on the wrong side of the center-periphery scheme.

[Taihei Tengoku]

Its conclusions are identical to those reached by Mugabe--that to resolve poverty you just need to plunder the right people.

For all its ten minutes of sliminess and disingenuity, even at its worst estimates, the reds have never produced a Norman Borlaug.


Of course, this implies that abandoning free enterprise prevents them from happening. High fives all around, capitalists on suicide watch

>Implying free enterprise is free to begin with

I'm sure all those disparaged poor people being exploited for capital and profit and left to suffer afterward would agree with that assessment, mate. ;^)

[Liriena]

What does the video have to do with Mugabe?

Its conclusions are identical to those reached by Mugabe--that to resolve poverty you just need to plunder the right people.

So fallacy of association. Cool.

For all its ten minutes of sliminess and disingenuity, even at its worst estimates, the reds have never produced a Norman Borlaug.

How would you know?

[Liriena]

>Implying free enterprise is free to begin with

I'm sure all those disparaged poor people being exploited for capital and profit and left to suffer afterward would agree with that assessment, mate. ;^)

Ah, an unsourced image showing a correlation, but not a causal link.

10/10

[Taihei Tengoku]

Its conclusions are identical to those reached by Mugabe--that to resolve poverty you just need to plunder the right people.

So fallacy of association. Cool.

The important part is the idea, not the names. It isn't merely Mugabe that believes this, after all. You do, too.

For all its ten minutes of sliminess and disingenuity, even at its worst estimates, the reds have never produced a Norman Borlaug.

How would you know?

Their attempt was sorely lacking.

[Torrocca]

People perishing shall now and forever be summed up as, "boohoo, move on with life."

... Except if Communism is somehow remotely involved, in which case we shall say, "A-hah! See what we said from the beginning of Communism, when we directly pushed against it for years?! Communism causes problems!"

I mean, most of us are raised and indoctrinated with the idea that capitalism is the most efficient system, a system that always rewards hard work with prosperity and in which only the lazy would be miserable... and then the reality shows us that it's a system that somehow manages to overproduce and still leave tens of millions to die for the terrible sin of being born on the wrong side of the center-periphery scheme.

It's how we end up with things like Supply-Side Jesus. Not that Capitalists would care; so long as they can turn a profit, all's well in the world.

>Implying free enterprise is free to begin with

I'm sure all those disparaged poor people being exploited for capital and profit and left to suffer afterward would agree with that assessment, mate. ;^)

I can yank unsourced graphs out of my ass too, y'know?

[Taihei Tengoku]

(Image)

Ah, an unsourced image showing a correlation, but not a causal link.

10/10

data from the world bank, economic freedom index from fraser

[Liriena]

Ah, an unsourced image showing a correlation, but not a causal link.

10/10

data from the world bank, economic freedom index from fraser

And now you source CATO, who clearly think that there's a causal link but don't actually prove it.

This isn't even funny.