What about ANTIFA?

[The Alma Mater]

No one's part of antifa. Its a stand against fascism not an organization like BLM or the KKK. Everyone who fights fascism, hell everyone opposed to fascism, is antifa. Food Not Bombs is just anarchists, mostly mutualists I believe, but I could be wrong.

This is one of those stupid tricks like where they say "if you believe men and women should be equal, you're a feminist" but neglect to tell you about the 8 tons of specific and ever-changing leftist politics that are so associated with feminism that you must adopt them.

I ain't no nazi, and I'm opposed to any government with enough power to be fascist. But I am sure as hell not some antifa terrorist. If anything, I think being anti-communist is more important in this day and age than being anti-fascist.

Why ? Communists make all the stuff you want to buy...

[Tombradya]

No one's part of antifa. Its a stand against fascism not an organization like BLM or the KKK. Everyone who fights fascism, hell everyone opposed to fascism, is antifa. Food Not Bombs is just anarchists, mostly mutualists I believe, but I could be wrong.

This is one of those stupid tricks like where they say "if you believe men and women should be equal, you're a feminist" but neglect to tell you about the 8 tons of specific and ever-changing leftist politics that are so associated with feminism that you must adopt them.

I ain't no nazi, and I'm opposed to any government with enough power to be fascist. But I am sure as hell not some antifa terrorist. If anything, I think being anti-communist is more important in this day and age than being anti-fascist.

Even when considering communism is all but dead yet neo nazi (apart from using violence and threats such as the murder in Charlottesville) gloat about having their guy Trump (the one with the Hitler speeches book by his bed) in charge?

The main threat is not the left but conservative religionists (be they christians or muslims) who seek to impose their "values" on us all. And just for laughs, read bible or quran to see the values they speak of, such as murdering unbelievers, slavery or stoning disobedient children, or forced abortions for unfaithful women... wait...).

[Tombradya]

I mean they LITERALLY have compilations of ANTIFA being douchebags, attacking people, destroying property etc etc

Cute. I bet "they" also produce a lot of "feminist cringe" compilations. Very trustworthy, those Youtube compilations.

If you get your understanding of politics and groups you disagree with from Youtube compilations, that's on you.

Or the 4chan types who attempted to smear antifa activists by associating them with violence against women. They and their fake accounts were busted by the Bellingcat research collective.
http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-41036631

How much of the cited "compilations" of antifa violence is really from actual left wingers and not right wingers infiltrating?

Who is funding all this? Is it the right wing Soros'es namely the Koch bros (the ones who want to bring feudalism back) or does it really all come from Russia which I do not believe. Idiot Scaramucci was seen retweeting memes from the 4chan smear campaign against antifa, so maybe he or Trump has been the right wing Soros all along.

[The Armed Republic Of Hell]

This is one of those stupid tricks like where they say "if you believe men and women should be equal, you're a feminist" but neglect to tell you about the 8 tons of specific and ever-changing leftist politics that are so associated with feminism that you must adopt them.

I ain't no nazi, and I'm opposed to any government with enough power to be fascist. But I am sure as hell not some antifa terrorist. If anything, I think being anti-communist is more important in this day and age than being anti-fascist.

Why ? Communists make all the stuff you want to buy...

Lmao if you are talking about China the only reason that their products are circling the globe is because they have adopted a capitalist economy. And I don't think there's anything anybody wants to buy from North Korea or Venezuela considering the recent oil glut and their extremely weak economies.

[Autonomous Titoists]

Why ? Communists make all the stuff you want to buy...

Lmao if you are talking about China the only reason that their products are circling the globe is because they have adopted a capitalist economy. And I don't think there's anything anybody wants to buy from North Korea or Venezuela considering the recent oil glut and their extremely weak economies.

The only reason their products are circling the globe is because the US is exploiting their labor for pennies a week. Its cheaper to use slaaves to build shit. Otherwise things would still be made in America.

[Albrenia]

Lmao if you are talking about China the only reason that their products are circling the globe is because they have adopted a capitalist economy. And I don't think there's anything anybody wants to buy from North Korea or Venezuela considering the recent oil glut and their extremely weak economies.

The only reason their products are circling the globe is because the US is exploiting their labor for pennies a week. Its cheaper to use slaaves to build shit. Otherwise things would still be made in America.

Probably not in America, since there's a bunch of places to get cheap labour besides China.

[Hirota]

Lmao if you are talking about China the only reason that their products are circling the globe is because they have adopted a capitalist economy. And I don't think there's anything anybody wants to buy from North Korea or Venezuela considering the recent oil glut and their extremely weak economies.

The only reason their products are circling the globe is because the US is exploiting their labor for pennies a week. Its cheaper to use slaaves to build shit. Otherwise things would still be made in America.

And there I was thinking that communist states were generally opposed to that kind of exploitation of the working class. Silly me!

[Torrocca]

The only reason their products are circling the globe is because the US is exploiting their labor for pennies a week. Its cheaper to use slaaves to build shit. Otherwise things would still be made in America.

And there I was thinking that communist states were generally opposed to that kind of exploitation of the working class. Silly me!

>have a capitalist economy
>get called communist

And North Korea is the most Democratic Republic in the world, mate.

[Patridam]

This is one of those stupid tricks like where they say "if you believe men and women should be equal, you're a feminist" but neglect to tell you about the 8 tons of specific and ever-changing leftist politics that are so associated with feminism that you must adopt them.

I ain't no nazi, and I'm opposed to any government with enough power to be fascist. But I am sure as hell not some antifa terrorist. If anything, I think being anti-communist is more important in this day and age than being anti-fascist.

Why ? Communists make all the stuff you want to buy...

No, actually I hate Chinese junk. If I have the choice (e.g. not when shopping for modern consumer electronics) I avoid it, which is why most of the things I own are ancient.

Plus modern China is a sorry excuse for communism, and by that I mean better than usual because it's more capitalist than usual.

[The Armed Republic Of Hell]

Lmao if you are talking about China the only reason that their products are circling the globe is because they have adopted a capitalist economy. And I don't think there's anything anybody wants to buy from North Korea or Venezuela considering the recent oil glut and their extremely weak economies.

The only reason their products are circling the globe is because the US is exploiting their labor for pennies a week. Its cheaper to use slaaves to build shit. Otherwise things would still be made in America.

Yes American companies seeking cheaper labor is one of the reasons so many product are made in China but the Chinese aren't complaining that they are the world's #1 manufacturer, and slaves are payed nothing not just less because of the lower minimum wage of a less developed country.

[Patridam]

Even when considering communism is all but dead yet neo nazi (apart from using violence and threats such as the murder in Charlottesville) gloat about having their guy Trump (the one with the Hitler speeches book by his bed) in charge?

The main threat is not the left but conservative religionists (be they christians or muslims) who seek to impose their "values" on us all. And just for laughs, read bible or quran to see the values they speak of, such as murdering unbelievers, slavery or stoning disobedient children, or forced abortions for unfaithful women... wait...).

Neo Nazism is and has always been an extremely small force in the US, it's the left and especially the media giving them any semblence of relevance by drawing overt amounts of attention to them and randomly accusing anyone to the right of them (so a shit ton of people) of being nazi's, Trump included.

Islamic terrorism and antifa (communists & anarchists) are bigger threats than christians or neonazis. Antifa/communism in particular is in a great position to grow, because a ton of my fellow "youths" don't know about the atrocities of communism like they do about nazism, or refuse to believe them; and the thought of being handed everything is particularly tempting to young people born into this terrible of an economy. I see no shortage of pro-communist memes floating around Facebook, and unironic communists elsewhere on the web, including here.

[Torrocca]

Even when considering communism is all but dead yet neo nazi (apart from using violence and threats such as the murder in Charlottesville) gloat about having their guy Trump (the one with the Hitler speeches book by his bed) in charge?

The main threat is not the left but conservative religionists (be they christians or muslims) who seek to impose their "values" on us all. And just for laughs, read bible or quran to see the values they speak of, such as murdering unbelievers, slavery or stoning disobedient children, or forced abortions for unfaithful women... wait...).

Neo Nazism is and has always been an extremely small force in the US, it's the left and especially the media giving them any semblence of relevance by drawing overt amounts of attention to them and randomly accusing anyone to the right of them (so a shit ton of people) of being nazi's, Trump included.

Islamic terrorism and antifa (communists & anarchists) are bigger threats than christians or neonazis. Antifa/communism in particular is in a great position to grow, because a ton of my fellow "youths" don't know about the atrocities of communism like they do about nazism, or refuse to believe them; and the thought of being handed everything is particularly tempting to young people born into this terrible of an economy. I see no shortage of pro-communist memes floating around Facebook, and unironic communists elsewhere on the web, including here.

Most Communists today don't really want to replicate the atrocities of Stalin or Mao, though. Whereas Nazis literally want to genocide entire ethnicities.

[Hirota]

And there I was thinking that communist states were generally opposed to that kind of exploitation of the working class. Silly me!

>have a capitalist economy
>get called communist

And North Korea is the most Democratic Republic in the world, mate.

Maybe it wasn't clear, but I was referring to China as a communist country adopting a capitalist economy rather than America.

I dunno, it's almost as if China realised as a nation that communism wasn't going to work to get anywhere in the world and decided to exploit the people instead of improve their lot.

[Torrocca]

>have a capitalist economy
>get called communist

And North Korea is the most Democratic Republic in the world, mate.

Maybe it wasn't clear, but I was referring to China as a communist country adopting a capitalist economy rather than America.

I dunno, it's almost as if China realised as a nation that communism wasn't going to work to get anywhere in the world and decided to exploit the people instead of improve their lot.

"I dunno, it's almost as if China the Chinese government elites realised as a nation the government elites that communism wasn't going to work for them to get anywhere in the world and decided to exploit the people instead of improve their lot."

Fixed that for you, friend.

[Kash Island]

Neo Nazism is and has always been an extremely small force in the US, it's the left and especially the media giving them any semblence of relevance by drawing overt amounts of attention to them and randomly accusing anyone to the right of them (so a shit ton of people) of being nazi's, Trump included.

Islamic terrorism and antifa (communists & anarchists) are bigger threats than christians or neonazis. Antifa/communism in particular is in a great position to grow, because a ton of my fellow "youths" don't know about the atrocities of communism like they do about nazism, or refuse to believe them; and the thought of being handed everything is particularly tempting to young people born into this terrible of an economy. I see no shortage of pro-communist memes floating around Facebook, and unironic communists elsewhere on the web, including here.

Most Communists today don't really want to replicate the atrocities of Stalin or Mao, though. Whereas Nazis literally want to genocide entire ethnicities.

says who? you?

[Torrocca]

Most Communists today don't really want to replicate the atrocities of Stalin or Mao, though. Whereas Nazis literally want to genocide entire ethnicities.

says who? you?

Are you implying that most Communists want to kill in the name of economic and social equality?

The overwhelming majority of Communists aren't tankies.

[Kash Island]

says who? you?

Are you implying that most Communists want to kill in the name of economic and social equality?

The overwhelming majority of Communists aren't tankies.

I'm implying that most communists wouldn't mind "collateral damage" in their quest for "communism"

[Torrocca]

Are you implying that most Communists want to kill in the name of economic and social equality?

The overwhelming majority of Communists aren't tankies.

I'm implying that most communists wouldn't mind "collateral damage" in their quest for "communism"

Says who? You?

[Taihei Tengoku]

I'm implying that most communists wouldn't mind "collateral damage" in their quest for "communism"

Says who? You?

Every communist regime ever, plus others

[Torrocca]

Says who? You?

Every communist regime ever, plus others

>Implying that modern Communists want to replicate those

[Srona Flikinadgedder]

Antifa is a gift to the right. What do you hope to achieve by violently rioting? I feel as if we could be peacefully protesting,rather than attacking people for their beliefs.

We've already played this game in this thread. Every "peaceful" movement was backed by violence. The Civil Rights movement would have gone nowhere without the Black Panthers, the British would have told Gandhi to eat dick if not for Bhagat Singh, etc.

I hope you're actually paying attention in history class. The salt March and the Civil Rights March did far more for increasing freedom than violence ever will. The Black Panthers and the Civil Rights movement are 2 separate things.

[Hirota]

Maybe it wasn't clear, but I was referring to China as a communist country adopting a capitalist economy rather than America.

I dunno, it's almost as if China realised as a nation that communism wasn't going to work to get anywhere in the world and decided to exploit the people instead of improve their lot.

"I dunno, it's almost as if China the Chinese government elites realised as a nation the government elites that communism wasn't going to work for them to get anywhere in the world and decided to exploit the people instead of improve their lot."

Fixed that for you, friend.

So the crux of the argument is that China isn't communist enough? It kinda sounds like a risk of no true Scotsman fallacy coming into play.

Still, that kind of leads into the question if they were not communist enough, who precisely do you think has been?

[Hirota]

Sorry double post.

[Hirota]

Every communist regime ever, plus others

>Implying that modern Communists want to replicate those

if we judge by their actions and the rhetoric, then modern communists think they can do better, but present evidence fails to convince this particular left leaning individual.

[Taihei Tengoku]

Every communist regime ever, plus others

>Implying that modern Communists want to replicate those

This is the defense the left has had since Stalin's atrocities came to light in the fifties and yet it still keeps happening. Perhaps it is a more fundamental problem?