What about ANTIFA?

[Liriena]

Hours of footage can often still be used to give people a misleading story of the events. James O'Keefe is living proof of that.

It's a good thing James O'Keefe wasn't there then, otherwise the free speech side would be in trouble.

And, again. A single Facebook post.

Point taken. I'll wait and see.

[Kash Island]

I didn't say that

I'm pointing out ANTIFA as hurting many people whom are not Fascist or National Socialists

do you even watch the videos?

I'm not doing your homework for you. I provided links to sources. You can do the same. And be specific.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1tsbWvqDdE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVO0-aTW-bQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IgoU1Yn6vU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnVYJjDDMMQ (more shit stirring)

[Kash Island]

I mean they LITERALLY have compilations of ANTIFA being douchebags, attacking people, destroying property etc etc

[Liriena]

I'm not doing your homework for you. I provided links to sources. You can do the same. And be specific.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1tsbWvqDdE

One guy who may or may not have been antifa (not every counter protestor is automatically antifa) pulled on a woman's flag.

Okay, that's kind of rude. Douchebaggy even. And?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVO0-aTW-bQ

We've got one guy allegedly inciting violence (no actual audio of it, though), one heated argument between two people escalating into a fistfight, a person with pepper spray, a burning flag, and a decontextualized clip of a brawl.

And the source of the video apparently is... renowned faker Joey Salads.

And?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IgoU1Yn6vU

It's a repeat of the same decontextualized clip from the previous video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnVYJjDDMMQ (more shit stirring)

Interesting how this video quite explicitly points out that the ones originally doing the protesting were the anti-racists, after the original right-wing rally was cancelled. And even though the commentary implies that it was all antifa's fault, it then goes on to present a more ambiguous narration of how things escalated.

Also, lol at the guy who says he's not a white supremacist while being part of a movement called America First.

Also, the video doesn't actually show any violence.

Overall... not very impressed.

[Liriena]

I mean they LITERALLY have compilations of ANTIFA being douchebags, attacking people, destroying property etc etc

Cute. I bet "they" also produce a lot of "feminist cringe" compilations. Very trustworthy, those Youtube compilations.

If you get your understanding of politics and groups you disagree with from Youtube compilations, that's on you.

[Kubra]

the G20 was not an anti-fascist demonstration.

Then why was Antifa there?

"antifa" wasn't there, unless you're using "antifa" to refer to anyone wearing a mask or a black hoodie at a radical protest.
What is called "antifa" exists only when there is a demo or counter-demo on the topic, after which point the membership melts away until next time or it was actually a group but they change their name to fit each demo.
Really, if it's blokes who frequent radical protests that you've got a bone to pick with, you're well acquainted with the labels we prefer.

[Hirota]

Very trustworthy, those Youtube compilations.

Almost as trustworthy as facebook posts right?

Maybe these double standards are the point though. People as a whole are keen to defend one bunch of collectivist thugs they vaguely like because they are opposed to another bunch of collectivist thugs they dislike.

[Kubra]

Very trustworthy, those Youtube compilations.

Almost as trustworthy as facebook posts right?

Maybe these double standards are the point though. Defend one bunch of collectivist thugs you vaguely like because they are opposed to another bunch of collectivist thugs you dislike.

I fail to see the problem
we're just emulating good european values aren't we

[Hirota]

Almost as trustworthy as facebook posts right?

Maybe these double standards are the point though. Defend one bunch of collectivist thugs you vaguely like because they are opposed to another bunch of collectivist thugs you dislike.

I fail to see the problem
we're just emulating good european values aren't we

Not sure about good, but certainly emulating some central european values from the early to mid 1900's

[Bakery Hill]

Then why are the anti-fascists wreaking havoc in areas where fascists are not involved?

Are you referring to the G20?

That wasn't antifa, that was antica.

[Hirota]

Are you referring to the G20?

That wasn't antifa, that was antica.

Take a look at CNN's piece about what antifa is and my own cherrypicking from it.

Antifa positions can be hard to define...

Fair enough, and I agree with avoid falling into the trap that because a proportion of a group might hold certain views doesn't mean the entirety of the group holds certain views. It would be nice if CNN and the rest of the mainstream media didn't cherrypick when they developed this sense of nuance but lets' continue.

...but many members support oppressed populations and protest the amassing of wealth by corporations and elites.

Firmly anticapitalist values. Later on...

Levin said Antifa activists feel the need to partake in violence because "they believe that elites are controlling the government and the media. So they need to make a statement head-on against the people who they regard as racist."

Again, talks of elites is straight out of the anticapitalist playbook.

It's moderately obvious that there is an overlap between the two, to the point where the Venn diagram of antifa and antica overlapping would look less like two individual, overlapping circles, but much closer to two circles almost on top of one another.

[Bakery Hill]

That wasn't antifa, that was antica.

Take a look at CNN's piece about what antifa is and my own cherrypicking from it.

Antifa positions can be hard to define...

Fair enough, and I agree with avoid falling into the trap that because a proportion of a group might hold certain views doesn't mean the entirety of the group holds certain views. It would be nice if CNN and the rest of the mainstream media didn't cherrypick when they developed this sense of nuance but lets' continue.

...but many members support oppressed populations and protest the amassing of wealth by corporations and elites.

Firmly anticapitalist values. Later on...

Levin said Antifa activists feel the need to partake in violence because "they believe that elites are controlling the government and the media. So they need to make a statement head-on against the people who they regard as racist."

Again, talks of elites is straight out of the anticapitalist playbook.

It's moderately obvious that there is an overlap between the two, to the point where the Venn diagram of antifa and antica overlapping would look less like two individual, overlapping circles, but much closer to two circles almost on top of one another.

It was a joke dude. Antica doesn't exist.

[Hirota]

It was a joke dude. Antica doesn't exist.

I thought you were using Antica as a short for Anti-Capitalists, which do exist. <shrugs>

[Liriena]

Very trustworthy, those Youtube compilations.

Almost as trustworthy as facebook posts right?

Maybe these double standards are the point though. People as a whole are keen to defend one bunch of collectivist thugs they vaguely like because they are opposed to another bunch of collectivist thugs they dislike.

You got me there.

That said... "collectivist" thugs? Really? What are you, an ancap?

[Costa Fierro]

Cute. I bet "they" also produce a lot of "feminist cringe" compilations. Very trustworthy, those Youtube compilations.

Considering they're for entertainment, no. They're not.

[Ifreann]

Weird how these supposed violent maniac terrorists who target everyone do so very little damage.

Well they are highly incompetent and evidently fairly lacking in basic critical thinking skills which would allow them to do more damage. Does not change the fact that they have assaulted countless people, destroyed property, and frequently attempt to incite riots and chaos to induce fear, ie terrorism.

I'm sure America is awash with stories demonstrating that one doesn't need to be competent to own a gun. Antifa's been around for years. Where are all the shootings? The stabbings? You're acting like they're incredibly dangerous, but then you describe them just getting in fights and breaking things.

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Weird how these supposed violent maniac terrorists who target everyone do so very little damage.

Uuuuuhhhh.

Uh? Is your video going to show me thousands dead because of antifa? Buildings destroyed? Towns burned to the ground?

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so all those people are now alt-right murderers because one of them went berserk with his car?

If we're seriously going to play the "antifa is worse than the actual nazis" game, we should be keeping score, should we not? Well then... as far as I know, antifa did not commit an actual deadly terrorist attack on American soil. The "alt-right" did, during their own rally, and there's proof that they had been discussing that exact sort of terrorist attack online.

Yeah, but antifa, like, wear black.

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Take a look at CNN's piece about what antifa is and my own cherrypicking from it.
Fair enough, and I agree with avoid falling into the trap that because a proportion of a group might hold certain views doesn't mean the entirety of the group holds certain views. It would be nice if CNN and the rest of the mainstream media didn't cherrypick when they developed this sense of nuance but lets' continue.
Firmly anticapitalist values. Later on...
Again, talks of elites is straight out of the anticapitalist playbook.

It's moderately obvious that there is an overlap between the two, to the point where the Venn diagram of antifa and antica overlapping would look less like two individual, overlapping circles, but much closer to two circles almost on top of one another.

It was a joke dude. Antica doesn't exist.

Or do they

[New Rogernomics]

Cute. I bet "they" also produce a lot of "feminist cringe" compilations. Very trustworthy, those Youtube compilations.

Considering they're for entertainment, no. They're not.

Riley J. Dennis videos are hilarious, with or without context.

[Autonomous Titoists]

But....but they're breaking muh property! Those terrorists.
Break a few bank windows and everyone loses their mind, despite the fact that they are currently and constantly in debt to the bank.

[New Rogernomics]

But....but they're breaking muh property! Those terrorists.
Break a few bank windows and everyone loses their mind, despite the fact that they are currently and constantly in debt to the bank.

Indentured servitude exists by varying degrees in America, a good example is truckers in CA ports working to deliver goods for Amazon, Target, Costco, and Walmart; and the US government and corporations turning a blind eye to labor rights abuses, and 67 cents an hour wages. Though some might also argue that student and medical debt that can never be paid off by their salaries or wages, counts as a form of indentured servitude too.

[Hirota]

That said... "collectivist" thugs? Really? What are you, an ancap?

Given my general opposition to collectivist uptopian ideals such as Socialism and Facism, you should probably consider me a left-leaning classical libertarian, although I try (but sadly tend to fail) and act pragmatically rather than dogmatically.

[Mehreen]

ANTIFA should be branded as what they are, a terrorist organization. Along with the KKK and any movement that claims to uphold certain liberties and values, but whose actions lead to violence and go against what the movement claims to advocate for. ANTIFA is a ticking time-bomb. The clash of the radicals is coming. Alt-right vs Alt-left. America is more divided than it's ever been and this has trickled down since before the days of Clinton, it intensified under Bush, more so under Obama and now it's reaching crisis point.

To blame division on Trump alone would be foolish. Even if Clinton had won, the division would have been at the same level that it's at now if not at a worse level. Conservatives absolutely despise Hillary Clinton with every fiber of their being. Liberals feel the same way about Trump. Moderates/centrists and non-conformists are probably more for Hillary, but then again, the polls never paint out the true picture. Two extremely polarizing parties lead to a polarized country. ANTIFA is going nowhere, but neither is the KKK. Reality bites and the reality is that no candidate from any party (Libertarians and others included) could possibly remedy this situation because voters don't run America, nor do they have any say in the affairs of the country.

That's why every administration promises many things but never fulfils even a quarter of what they promised their voters. There's simply too much bureaucracy, too much corporate meddling and far too much media peddling to get anything meaningful done. America needs to go back to the drawing board or ANTIFA and the KKK will eventually drag the entire population into their chaos. After all, chaos is a ladder

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Almost as trustworthy as facebook posts right?

Maybe these double standards are the point though. People as a whole are keen to defend one bunch of collectivist thugs they vaguely like because they are opposed to another bunch of collectivist thugs they dislike.

You got me there.

That said... "collectivist" thugs? Really? What are you, an ancap?

It's true though, especially with the alt right.

[Hirota]

You got me there.

That said... "collectivist" thugs? Really? What are you, an ancap?

It's true though, especially with the alt right.

The lack of self-awareness is hilarious.

[Patridam]

Antifa is hardly one contiguous group, but being anti-government/anti-capitalist (that is to say, anarchist communists) is just as important to the group as the "punching nazis" bit. Pretending anarchism has nothing to do with antifa is dishonest.

I don't see how the two have anything to do with each other, except that anarchists, being dissatisfied with how society is currently organised, might tend to be more willing to engage in direct action than your run of the mill Democrat voter.

Antifa are literally Anarch-Communists. It's not that "some of them happen to be anarchists," its part of the job requirement.

[The Grene Knyght]

I don't see how the two have anything to do with each other, except that anarchists, being dissatisfied with how society is currently organised, might tend to be more willing to engage in direct action than your run of the mill Democrat voter.

Antifa are literally Anarch-Communists. It's not that "some of them happen to be anarchists," its part of the job requirement.

Ah yes, Article 4, subsection 3 of the Antifa^tm Charter