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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Tue Aug 29, 2017 9:39 pm

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The Empire of Pretantia wrote:There were thousands of them at G20!

So was the Soviet Union!
the G20 was not an anti-fascist demonstration.

Then why was Antifa there?
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Liriena wrote:The "alt-right" killed a woman and hurt multiple others with a car, right after spending a night intimidating the inhabitants of Charlottesville.

But sure, antifa is worse because they punch people.


so all those people are now alt-right murderers because one of them went berserk with his car?

If we're seriously going to play the "antifa is worse than the actual nazis" game, we should be keeping score, should we not? Well then... as far as I know, antifa did not commit an actual deadly terrorist attack on American soil. The "alt-right" did, during their own rally, and there's proof that they had been discussing that exact sort of terrorist attack online.
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Postby Liriena » Tue Aug 29, 2017 10:09 pm

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Liriena wrote:The "alt-right" killed a woman and hurt multiple others with a car, right after spending a night intimidating the inhabitants of Charlottesville.

But sure, antifa is worse because they punch people.


That must had been one hell of a clown car for all of the alt right to fit into that car just to run down one woman. :p

Let's place blame where it belongs, on the shit bag that was directly behind the wheel. yes?

So collective guilt applies to anti-fascists, but not to nazis. Got it.
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Postby Kash Island » Tue Aug 29, 2017 10:12 pm

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That must had been one hell of a clown car for all of the alt right to fit into that car just to run down one woman. :p

Let's place blame where it belongs, on the shit bag that was directly behind the wheel. yes?

So collective guilt applies to anti-fascists, but not to nazis. Got it.


judging from what we have seen quite the opposite, everyone is a nazi or sympathizer and ANTIFA violence is just individuals.
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Postby Liriena » Tue Aug 29, 2017 10:14 pm

Deanson wrote:Antifa are terrorists. They are a group of violent self-identified anarchists and communists who attack innocent people because they're too emotionally immature and weak to handle level-headed debate and discussion. Instead, they beat peaceful protestors, destroy the property of others and wear black masks so that no one can know their identities and to try to strike fear in the hearts of anyone who isn't a literal Stalinist.

Antifa should 100% be considered a violent domestic terrorist organization, full of violent maniacs who should be arrested and convicted to the fullest extent of the law. They have zero place in America.

Maybe it's just me... but there's something off about the underlined.

Also... lmao @ "they beat peaceful protestors".
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Postby Kash Island » Tue Aug 29, 2017 10:15 pm

Liriena wrote:
Deanson wrote:Antifa are terrorists. They are a group of violent self-identified anarchists and communists who attack innocent people because they're too emotionally immature and weak to handle level-headed debate and discussion. Instead, they beat peaceful protestors, destroy the property of others and wear black masks so that no one can know their identities and to try to strike fear in the hearts of anyone who isn't a literal Stalinist.

Antifa should 100% be considered a violent domestic terrorist organization, full of violent maniacs who should be arrested and convicted to the fullest extent of the law. They have zero place in America.

Maybe it's just me... but there's something off about the underlined.

Also... lmao @ "they beat peaceful protestors".


that dosn't explain berkley, trump campaign rallys or boston.

or recently a prayer group in seattle.
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Liriena wrote:So collective guilt applies to anti-fascists, but not to nazis. Got it.


judging from what we have seen quite the opposite, everyone is a nazi or sympathizer and ANTIFA violence is just individuals.

Oh, not everyone is a nazi or a sympathizer... but when the best you can offer in the face of nazis marching on American streets, chanting violent rhetoric, intimidating innocent people and committing terrorist attacks, is "well, there was anti-nazi violence too!", it kind of looks like you picked a side.
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Postby Mike the Progressive » Tue Aug 29, 2017 10:16 pm

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judging from what we have seen quite the opposite, everyone is a nazi or sympathizer and ANTIFA violence is just individuals.

Oh, not everyone is a nazi or a sympathizer... but when the best you can offer in the face of nazis marching on American streets, chanting violent rhetoric, intimidating innocent people and committing terrorist attacks, is "well, there was anti-nazi violence too!", it kind of looks like you picked a side.


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Postby Kash Island » Tue Aug 29, 2017 10:17 pm

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judging from what we have seen quite the opposite, everyone is a nazi or sympathizer and ANTIFA violence is just individuals.

Oh, not everyone is a nazi or a sympathizer... but when the best you can offer in the face of nazis marching on American streets, chanting violent rhetoric, intimidating innocent people and committing terrorist attacks, is "well, there was anti-nazi violence too!", it kind of looks like you picked a side.


no, it looks like you are looking at both sides, you just push people into one side when they pull the rug out from the other side.
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Tue Aug 29, 2017 10:17 pm

Liriena wrote:
Deanson wrote:Antifa are terrorists. They are a group of violent self-identified anarchists and communists who attack innocent people because they're too emotionally immature and weak to handle level-headed debate and discussion. Instead, they beat peaceful protestors, destroy the property of others and wear black masks so that no one can know their identities and to try to strike fear in the hearts of anyone who isn't a literal Stalinist.

Antifa should 100% be considered a violent domestic terrorist organization, full of violent maniacs who should be arrested and convicted to the fullest extent of the law. They have zero place in America.

Maybe it's just me... but there's something off about the underlined.

Also... lmao @ "they beat peaceful protestors".

Bike lock guy will always and forever be brought up in these kinds of conversations, and for good reason: he attacked a peaceful protester.
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Kash Island wrote:
Liriena wrote:Maybe it's just me... but there's something off about the underlined.

Also... lmao @ "they beat peaceful protestors".


that dosn't explain berkley, trump campaign rallys or boston.

or recently a prayer group in seattle.

You keep name-dropping the exact same three examples. That is fine, I guess, but it's not an actual counter argument. And in the case of Berkeley in particular, it's not very compelling.
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that dosn't explain berkley, trump campaign rallys or boston.

or recently a prayer group in seattle.

You keep name-dropping the exact same three examples. That is fine, I guess, but it's not an actual counter argument. And in the case of Berkeley in particular, it's not very compelling.


how is it not a counter-arguement,they attacked people who weren't even fascist

hell, i still havn't seen "alt-right" actually defined, just call everyone a fascist and there is your free pass to assault people huh?
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The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Liriena wrote:Maybe it's just me... but there's something off about the underlined.

Also... lmao @ "they beat peaceful protestors".

Bike lock guy will always and forever be brought up in these kinds of conversations, and for good reason: he attacked a peaceful protester.

I won't argue with that... but that doesn't change the fact that the "the nazis were peaceful victims of antifa terrorist violence" narrative is mostly bollocks.
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that dosn't explain berkley, trump campaign rallys or boston.

or recently a prayer group in seattle.

You keep name-dropping the exact same three examples. That is fine, I guess, but it's not an actual counter argument. And in the case of Berkeley in particular, it's not very compelling.

A single Facebook post. Versus hours of footage.
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Liriena wrote:You keep name-dropping the exact same three examples. That is fine, I guess, but it's not an actual counter argument. And in the case of Berkeley in particular, it's not very compelling.


how is it not a counter-arguement,they attacked people who weren't even fascist

Can you be more specific? And cite sources?

Kash Island wrote:hell, i still havn't seen "alt-right" actually defined, just call everyone a fascist and there is your free pass to assault people huh?

Your words, not mine. I don't even like "alt-right" as a term. It's just the politically correct term for "I'm a proud piece of racist scum but I don't want to deal with the historical baggage of my awful ideas".
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how is it not a counter-arguement,they attacked people who weren't even fascist

Can you be more specific? And cite sources?

Kash Island wrote:hell, i still havn't seen "alt-right" actually defined, just call everyone a fascist and there is your free pass to assault people huh?

Your words, not mine. I don't even like "alt-right" as a term. It's just the politically correct term for "I'm a proud piece of racist scum but I don't want to deal with the historical baggage of my awful ideas".



I already gave you sources, like Boston

ANTIFA is supposed to be against Fascists/NAZIS

odd that they attacked plain joe conservatives.
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The Empire of Pretantia wrote:Bike lock guy will always and forever be brought up in these kinds of conversations, and for good reason: he attacked a peaceful protester.

I won't argue with that... but that doesn't change the fact that the "the nazis were peaceful victims of antifa terrorist violence" narrative is mostly bollocks.

They were violent victims of antifa terrorist violence then.
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The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Liriena wrote:You keep name-dropping the exact same three examples. That is fine, I guess, but it's not an actual counter argument. And in the case of Berkeley in particular, it's not very compelling.

A single Facebook post. Versus hours of footage.

Hours of footage can often still be used to give people a misleading story of the events. James O'Keefe is living proof of that.
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The Empire of Pretantia wrote:A single Facebook post. Versus hours of footage.

Hours of footage can often still be used to give people a misleading story of the events. James O'Keefe is living proof of that.


you upset that they found out the russia narrative was being blown out of proportion for views?

nobody made those people say the things they did on camera.
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Liriena wrote:Can you be more specific? And cite sources?


Your words, not mine. I don't even like "alt-right" as a term. It's just the politically correct term for "I'm a proud piece of racist scum but I don't want to deal with the historical baggage of my awful ideas".



I already gave you sources, like Boston

Name-dropping a city is not a source.

Kash Island wrote:ANTIFA is supposed to be against Fascists/NAZIS

odd that they attacked plain joe conservatives.

Far right terrorism inciter Dana Loesch is a "plain joe conservative" now?
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I already gave you sources, like Boston

Name-dropping a city is not a source.

Kash Island wrote:ANTIFA is supposed to be against Fascists/NAZIS

odd that they attacked plain joe conservatives.

Far right terrorism inciter Dana Loesch is a "plain joe conservative" now?


I didn't say that

I'm pointing out ANTIFA as hurting many people whom are not Fascist or National Socialists

do you even watch the videos?
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Kash Island wrote:
Liriena wrote:Hours of footage can often still be used to give people a misleading story of the events. James O'Keefe is living proof of that.


you upset that they found out the russia narrative was being blown out of proportion for views?

nobody made those people say the things they did on camera.

Actually, I'm upset that you seriously fell for his well-known con artistry.
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Tue Aug 29, 2017 10:33 pm

Liriena wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:A single Facebook post. Versus hours of footage.

Hours of footage can often still be used to give people a misleading story of the events. James O'Keefe is living proof of that.

It's a good thing James O'Keefe wasn't there then, otherwise the free speech side would be in trouble.

And, again. A single Facebook post.
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Liriena wrote:Name-dropping a city is not a source.


Far right terrorism inciter Dana Loesch is a "plain joe conservative" now?


I didn't say that

I'm pointing out ANTIFA as hurting many people whom are not Fascist or National Socialists

do you even watch the videos?

I'm not doing your homework for you. I provided links to sources. You can do the same. And be specific.
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A pansexual, pantheist, green socialist
An aspiring writer and journalist
Political compass stuff:
Economic Left/Right: -8.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.92
For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism,
cynicism


⚧Copy and paste this in your sig
if you passed biology and know
gender and sex aren't the same thing.⚧

I disown most of my previous posts

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