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Postby Engleberg » Tue Sep 19, 2017 6:30 pm

Because none of those people have truly learnt about monarchism.
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Postby Kubra » Tue Sep 19, 2017 6:33 pm

Engleberg wrote:Because none of those people have truly learnt about monarchism.
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Postby Genivaria » Tue Sep 19, 2017 6:35 pm

Engleberg wrote:Because none of those people have truly learnt about monarchism.

What an absurd assumption to make.

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Postby UniversalCommons » Thu Sep 21, 2017 6:09 am

People who can vote don't keep people who starve them or don't provide basic food in office. Tyranny is far more prone to starvation. Food is used as a control mechanism in tyrannies. Democracy tends to at least vote people who are in the general interest. When you have a pure elite, they often only look after their own interest and everyone else is in trouble. They have no reason to support other people except for their class. The question is not whether you have elites or democrats, they both can be terrible. The question is how do you guarantee good leadership? It is probably through a mix of a meritocracratic testing before you can be put on the ballot and basic qualifications. It is probably some form of mixed government which people have not come up with yet. Maybe you put some limits on citizenship as well and have a highly demanding educational system.
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Postby Heyliges Teutsches Reich » Thu Sep 21, 2017 6:59 am

Because they've been indoctrinated into democracy and don't question it, they want personal power. That corrupts them.
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Postby Sovaal » Thu Sep 21, 2017 7:00 am

Heyliges Teutsches Reich wrote:Because they've been indoctrinated into democracy and don't question it, they want personal power. That corrupts them.

And what alternative to you suggest?
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Postby Heyliges Teutsches Reich » Thu Sep 21, 2017 7:09 am

Sovaal wrote:
Heyliges Teutsches Reich wrote:Because they've been indoctrinated into democracy and don't question it, they want personal power. That corrupts them.

And what alternative to you suggest?


The autocracy of course: the only legitimate reign is that of a monarch, his steadholder or a priest. As these are the only legitimate, there's no "alternative".
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Postby Alvecia » Thu Sep 21, 2017 7:12 am

Heyliges Teutsches Reich wrote:
Sovaal wrote:And what alternative to you suggest?


The autocracy of course: the only legitimate reign is that of a monarch, his steadholder or a priest. As these are the only legitimate, there's no "alternative".

Because there's no chance of corruption there, no siree.

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Postby Vassenor » Thu Sep 21, 2017 7:15 am

Heyliges Teutsches Reich wrote:
Sovaal wrote:And what alternative to you suggest?


The autocracy of course: the only legitimate reign is that of a monarch, his steadholder or a priest. As these are the only legitimate, there's no "alternative".


Based upon what logic?
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Postby Sovaal » Thu Sep 21, 2017 7:17 am

Heyliges Teutsches Reich wrote:
Sovaal wrote:And what alternative to you suggest?


The autocracy of course: the only legitimate reign is that of a monarch, his steadholder or a priest. As these are the only legitimate, there's no "alternative".

My god, really?

What happened to
... they want personal power. That corrupts them.

Because never has a priest or monarch ever been corrupt. :roll:
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No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is
the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried from time to time." -
Winston Churchill, 1947.

"Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon – so long as there is no answer to it – gives claws to the weak.” - George Orwell

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Postby Plzen » Thu Sep 21, 2017 7:17 am

Alvecia wrote:Because there's no chance of corruption there, no siree.

Priests and absolute monarchs have always been paragons of virtue, of course. Their moral record is absolutely impeccable.

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I trust my leaders about as far as I can throw them, and in any kind of autocracy that's not very far at all. At least in an electoral democracy I have some small, theoretical control over whether my leaders stay leaders.
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Postby Tekeristan » Thu Sep 21, 2017 10:20 am

Heyliges Teutsches Reich wrote:Because they've been indoctrinated into democracy and don't question it, they want personal power. That corrupts them.

Wha.
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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Thu Sep 21, 2017 11:04 am

Engleberg wrote:Because none of those people have truly learnt about monarchism.

4.000 + years of experience with monarchical rule has indeed not been enough. Better slap on anther 2.000 just to be sure.
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Postby Kramania » Thu Sep 21, 2017 11:08 am

Sovaal wrote:
Kramania wrote:But in all seriousness, I'm not sure. I've though about having some of them selected by the top universities in the nation, and others selected by the military. Maybe some selected by trade unions. I toy around with such ideas in my head because democracy sucks.

Woo! Military dictatorships!
Anyway, how is your system better then a democracy? Infact, it seems that it would combine the worse parts of both democratic and authoritarian governments.

Military dictatorship? No. Just stratocracy. There's a difference.
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Postby Sovaal » Thu Sep 21, 2017 11:14 am

Kramania wrote:
Sovaal wrote:Woo! Military dictatorships!
Anyway, how is your system better then a democracy? Infact, it seems that it would combine the worse parts of both democratic and authoritarian governments.

Military dictatorship? No. Just stratocracy. There's a difference.

All I know is that at the end of the day I'm having armed thugs storming my house, dragging me off to some unknown blacksite.
Most of the time I have no idea what the hell I'm doing or talking about.

”Many forms of government have been tried and will be tried in this world of sin and woe.
No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is
the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried from time to time." -
Winston Churchill, 1947.

"Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon – so long as there is no answer to it – gives claws to the weak.” - George Orwell

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Postby Lalaki » Sun Sep 24, 2017 10:55 pm

This whole "two wolves and a sheep" argument breaks down if you live in a constitutional democracy. There is a such thing as "protecting the minority." AKA...pretty much every representative government in the western world.

Democracy allows you a chance to voice your opinions in government by voting, running for office, or getting involved in general governance. That sounds a lot better than having rules imposed on you by unelected leaders who are completely unaccountable to the public. Even if you disagree with a law passed in a democracy, you have the chance to convince other people why we should elect politicians who would repeal said law. Imagine not having that opportunity at all.

I'd challenge anyone who says that democracy is a bad system to live in an undemocratic country and try expressing themselves politically. If they still oppose democracy, I respect that. Something tells me that most wouldn't.
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