by Nuevo Dixie » Sat Aug 19, 2017 5:29 pm
by Bombadil » Sat Aug 19, 2017 6:47 pm
by Adirondack Commonwealth » Sat Aug 19, 2017 6:49 pm
by Lexicor » Sat Aug 19, 2017 6:52 pm
by United Muscovite Nations » Sat Aug 19, 2017 6:54 pm
by Adirondack Commonwealth » Sat Aug 19, 2017 6:57 pm
Bombadil wrote: the key point of democracy is not that they vote in the best but that they can vote out the worst.
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by Omnonia » Sat Aug 19, 2017 7:00 pm
I am a democrat [proponent of democracy] because I believe in the Fall of Man.
I think most people are democrats for the opposite reason. A great deal of democratic enthusiasm descends from the ideas of people like Rousseau, who believed in democracy because they thought mankind so wise and good that every one deserved a share in the government.
The danger of defending democracy on those grounds is that they’re not true. . . . I find that they’re not true without looking further than myself. I don’t deserve a share in governing a hen-roost. Much less a nation. . . .
The real reason for democracy is just the reverse. Mankind is so fallen that no man can be trusted with unchecked power over his fellows. Aristotle said that some people were only fit to be slaves. I do not contradict him. But I reject slavery because I see no men fit to be masters.
by The Widening Gyre » Sat Aug 19, 2017 7:01 pm
by Imperium Eurasium » Sat Aug 19, 2017 7:02 pm
Bombadil wrote: the key point of democracy is not that they vote in the best but that they can vote out the worst.
by The Widening Gyre » Sat Aug 19, 2017 7:02 pm
by Genivaria » Sat Aug 19, 2017 7:02 pm
Nuevo Dixie wrote:Democracy is an utterly overrated system of government because having uneducated turds make important national decisions seems like it would be detrimental to a country. As Socrates once said, "Who would you want want steering a boat; an educated Captain, who has spent his life learning to sail, or an uneducated peasant mob?". That same logic should go for countries as well, right? Wouldn't it be better if educated elites ran a country?
by The Widening Gyre » Sat Aug 19, 2017 7:03 pm
by Bombadil » Sat Aug 19, 2017 7:04 pm
by Imperium Eurasium » Sat Aug 19, 2017 7:05 pm
by Imperium Eurasium » Sat Aug 19, 2017 7:06 pm
by Bombadil » Sat Aug 19, 2017 7:10 pm
by Mike the Progressive » Sat Aug 19, 2017 7:12 pm
by Genivaria » Sat Aug 19, 2017 7:23 pm
Mike the Progressive wrote:I don't. I think it's shit and I've been saying so for some time. Want an example? Look at Switzerland. They fucking banned minarets for Allah's sake.
by Mike the Progressive » Sat Aug 19, 2017 7:26 pm
by Great Sofannia » Sat Aug 19, 2017 7:28 pm
by Computer Lab » Sat Aug 19, 2017 7:38 pm
by Kostemetsia » Sat Aug 19, 2017 7:52 pm
Bombadil wrote:Democracy can be two wolves and a sheep deciding what to eat for dinner.. however it's still better than any historic form of government - the inability to vote out a bad administration leads to oppression and violence - the key point of democracy is not that they vote in the best but that they can vote out the worst.
Having said that, I think there's scope for real debate about whether democracy will be sufficient for the future, when we have machines making decisions faster than democracy can react we will probably encounter some issues.
There's already a philosophy in this centred in the VC/tech community, that a company-style hierarchy is better suited to govern in this world - it's very much part of the current political scene we're seeing played out today.
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