The Minority Project

[Evacillian]

Okay- let's all stop hating Lincolnopolis. As stupid as their plan is we don't need to make them feel absolutely miserable and frustrated.

Seriously, can we kill this thread now?

[USS Monitor]

It'd be cheaper for people to just stop being dicks, and both plans require about the same unrealistic level of social coordination.

Anyway, there are too many minorities to fit them all in one state. You'd need a couple states. You'd also have to tackle the problem of minorities that are racist against other minorities -- e.g. Asians that are racist against blacks, blacks that are antisemitic, etc.

[Guilaza]

That's not fair to put all the blame on one group.
As I have shown, racism has been expressed by all races,
We all know about white's racist history but
The Chinese for a long time thought they were the most civilized people and the center of the world
The Japanese for a while thought they were racially superior to their less advanced neighbors and brutalized them severely in war
Africans after being sold by africans to white people thought that the white people were going to eat them
The black president of South Africa has sung about shooting Boers and killing them assuming they are all racist
Arab had european and african slaves long before the mid-atlantic slave trade, the reason why black people and white people do not have a population in the middle east post slavery, is because unlike europeans, the arabs castrated their slaves.
The Hindu caste system was orginally based on skin color by the possibly white-ish Aryan people who founded India and pushed dravidians to the south
The only people I can't think of having much of a racist history would be most native americans and pacific islanders, who were isolated for a long time and did not have much contact with other races.

As for transphobia and homophobia, nobody beats Arab Muslims in that category

I would be satisfied with it. We could finally have a television channel covering Disability issues and finally have a growing number of people with disabilities that own and run companies. Finally, I wouldn't have to hear the rude and offensive things from non-disabled people. Yeah, I'd be glad to not have to deal with you.

I have aspergers...

[The Corparation]

https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=421252&p=32365355&sid=e33ca7fb1a312c41418987eb4ee5a4f5#p32365355

On a related note, Guilaza just had a race riot,
should I make a minority state too?

Nobody inb NSG cares about you RPing your fanatasies about threads in NSG.

[Guilaza]

It'd be cheaper for people to just stop being dicks, and both plans require about the same unrealistic level of social coordination.

Anyway, there are too many minorities to fit them all in one state. You'd need a couple states. You'd also have to tackle the problem of minorities that are racist against other minorities -- e.g. Asians that are racist against blacks, blacks that are antisemitic, etc.

Wait here was more than one plan?

[Guilaza]

https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=421252&p=32365355&sid=e33ca7fb1a312c41418987eb4ee5a4f5#p32365355

On a related note, Guilaza just had a race riot,
should I make a minority state too?

Nobody inb NSG cares about you RPing your fanatasies about threads in NSG.

That's a blanket statement toward...people in general actually.

[Guilaza]

I have aspergers...

You probably get what I am saying. I luckily ( or unluckily) walk around with a hidden disability. So people scream out the most bigoted things. Yesterday, I had to listen to some people come down hard on the "freaks" and "psychos" that are mentally ill. They were dangerous and all needed to end up in an "institution". Is it any wonder I want out of this state ?

I actually live in a pretty conservative part of my state and nobody bothers me like that,
what does happen is some leftist people sometimes patronize me- that's a little annoying...
also I think the autistic spectrum is too diverse and I wouldn't be able to get along with...
less functional people...

The thing is, some people, like schizophrenics, really are dangerous so you can't talk about all disabled people in the same light.

[Dooom35796821595]

Here I was hoping someone had made the precogs...

[Neanderthaland]

I have aspergers...

You probably get what I am saying. I luckily ( or unluckily) walk around with a hidden disability. So people scream out the most bigoted things. Yesterday, I had to listen to some people come down hard on the "freaks" and "psychos" that are mentally ill. They were dangerous and all needed to end up in an "institution". Is it any wonder I want out of this state ?

People who say thing like that are a tiny minority.

[Ifreann]

Men are a minority in the US. Presbyterians probably are too.

Everybody is a minority in some way.

Left-handed?
Farsighted?
Vote for Trump?
Got a fetish for candy corn?

So...move everyone in the US into one state?

I vote Rhode Island.

[Neanderthaland]

Everybody is a minority in some way.

Left-handed?
Farsighted?
Vote for Trump?
Got a fetish for candy corn?

So...move everyone in the US into one state?

I vote Rhode Island.

The rest will belong to the single most boring person in the country.

[Geilinor]

Fuck that. It's literally segregation.

Yeah. But what the fuck can we do ? We have the right to form our own state. We really do. Once formed it will vote Democrat all the time and respond ot our needs. In addition, we can have more African-Americans, Latinos and people with disabilities sitting on Congress ( is that what it's called when it's only on the state level ?) .

No, states should not be formed for such silly reasons. This would also reduce, not increase, representation in Congress.

[Ifreann]

So...move everyone in the US into one state?

I vote Rhode Island.

The rest will belong to the single most boring person in the country.

Whoever it is, they'll have plenty of room.

[Computer Lab]

I can count the number of times that has worked with no hands.

Look at Native American/Indian reservations in the US.
Bantustans in South Africa.
Ghettos in many other countries.

One could argue that it might work better if it was voluntary, but think about it from a politics perspective. If every minority moves to one state (assuming that was logistically and economically viable) then all minorities are represented by two Senators out of 100. Asssuming that various groups move in lockstep, then all minorities would have 49 times less representation nationally than cis straight whites. Going off of your OP, and its suggestion that cis straight whites are racist/transphobic/homophobic, that makes things worse for minorities, not better.

That's not fair to put all the blame on one group.
As I have shown, racism has been expressed by all races,
We all know about white's racist history but
The Chinese for a long time thought they were the most civilized people and the center of the world
The Japanese for a while thought they were racially superior to their less advanced neighbors and brutalized them severely in war
Africans after being sold by africans to white people thought that the white people were going to eat them
The black president of South Africa has sung about shooting Boers and killing them assuming they are all racist
Arab had european and african slaves long before the mid-atlantic slave trade, the reason why black people and white people do not have a population in the middle east post slavery, is because unlike europeans, the arabs castrated their slaves.
The Hindu caste system was orginally based on skin color by the possibly white-ish Aryan people who founded India and pushed dravidians to the south
The only people I can't think of having much of a racist history would be most native americans and pacific islanders, who were isolated for a long time and did not have much contact with other races.

As for transphobia and homophobia, nobody beats Arab Muslims in that category

Dude, I was following his logic, not my own. Obviously if the only thing to do is put everyone who falls into broad social groups into one place to avoid racism, everyone in the remaining broad social group must be racist.

[USS Monitor]

Japanese crime is so low, kindergarteners walk to school by themselves!

Some places in the US, the most dangerous thing about letting your kids walk places by themselves is not criminals. It's the overprotective idiots that will stop the kids to interrogate them about why they're out in public by themselves, and sometimes call CPS for no reason.

I walked to school by myself when I was still in grade school. My dad came with me when I first started school just to make sure I knew the way, because it was a bit of a long walk, but I don't think my parents were worried about me getting waylaid by criminals.

[Guilaza]

So...move everyone in the US into one state?

I vote Rhode Island.

The rest will belong to the single most boring person in the country.

Look who just won 49 states of their very own

[Napkiraly]

This is legitimately a terrible fucking idea. You are no different from George Wallace and others who sought to divide Americans, formally, by such things. You would shit, piss, spit, puke and corrupt the battles fought by so many, including quite likely those of your ancestors; the blood they spilled to bring it to an end.

[USS Monitor]

It'd be cheaper for people to just stop being dicks, and both plans require about the same unrealistic level of social coordination.

Anyway, there are too many minorities to fit them all in one state. You'd need a couple states. You'd also have to tackle the problem of minorities that are racist against other minorities -- e.g. Asians that are racist against blacks, blacks that are antisemitic, etc.

Wait here was more than one plan?

Plan 1: move all the minorities to one state.
Plan 2: everyone stop being dicks.

[Destructive Government Economic System]

The name already sounded bad already. After reading it, I literally compared this idea to the reservations that were created for the American Indians. It's just flat-out segregation.

[Napkiraly]

I can count the number of times that has worked with no hands.

Look at Native American/Indian reservations in the US.
Bantustans in South Africa.
Ghettos in many other countries.

One could argue that it might work better if it was voluntary, but think about it from a politics perspective. If every minority moves to one state (assuming that was logistically and economically viable) then all minorities are represented by two Senators out of 100. Asssuming that various groups move in lockstep, then all minorities would have 49 times less representation nationally than cis straight whites. Going off of your OP, and its suggestion that cis straight whites are racist/transphobic/homophobic, that makes things worse for minorities, not better.

That's not fair to put all the blame on one group.
As I have shown, racism has been expressed by all races,
We all know about white's racist history but
The Chinese for a long time thought they were the most civilized people and the center of the world
The Japanese for a while thought they were racially superior to their less advanced neighbors and brutalized them severely in war
Africans after being sold by africans to white people thought that the white people were going to eat them
The black president of South Africa has sung about shooting Boers and killing them assuming they are all racist
Arab had european and african slaves long before the mid-atlantic slave trade, the reason why black people and white people do not have a population in the middle east post slavery, is because unlike europeans, the arabs castrated their slaves.
The Hindu caste system was orginally based on skin color by the possibly white-ish Aryan people who founded India and pushed dravidians to the south
The only people I can't think of having much of a racist history would be most native americans and pacific islanders, who were isolated for a long time and did not have much contact with other races.

As for transphobia and homophobia, nobody beats Arab Muslims in that category

Of course aboriginal Americans have racism. I mean, the blood quantum controversy is a thing. People who are white or black but adopted by aboriginal families are viewed as not part of their tribes by quite a number. The whole idea behind there being "apples" is because of racism.

[Togeria]

I'm going to play semi devil's advocate. I can understand the reasoning of allowing a state to form that would allow for holy land of sorts for minorities to escape their judgement and persecution from the majority. But, that in of itself would be only a short term solution. I'm not going to make the excuse and no one here to my knowledge is making the excuse that racism, sexism, and general mistreatment of all minorities doesn't occur. But simply placing them somewhere won't solve that. In the 1800s the U.S did that with Liberia and infighting occurred between both Afro-Americans and the native inhabitants. And for a more recent example and the only one I know(please someone give me a another) with the partition of the Levant and the lands of Historical Palestine being separated between both Jewish and Arab peoples inviting grew until a powder keg erupted.

Just separating peoples isn't the solution, or a meaningful one. Even if this state was created it's likely some form of racism would occur as the minorities become the majority and tensions will rise, and then what? The best solution I believe and stated earlier is discourse. Even in the actions of earlier this month in Virginia, I saw republicans and democrats both groups who hate each other come together and agree that the actions of the few there are not that of the majority while decades ago you would've seen the democratic party(historically for the south) try and excuse the actions of the southerners if it happened during that time.

But now times of changed and actions at Virginia show racism is still an issue, a prevalent one that must be addressed, but that also we as a society can and will come together to face it. This should be the solution to your problem Lincoln not separation.

[USS Monitor]

The thing is, some people, like schizophrenics, really are dangerous so you can't talk about all disabled people in the same light.

Some schizos are dangerous and some are not. Depends on the nature of their illness (i.e. if they have voices in their heads, what are the voices saying?), whether they are on a good set of meds, and whether they are good about taking their meds.

[The Corparation]

Wait here was more than one plan?

Plan 1: move all the minorities to one state.
Plan 2: everyone stop being dicks.

Plan 2 seems hard. I think Plan 1 is the easier option.

[USS Monitor]

Plan 1: move all the minorities to one state.
Plan 2: everyone stop being dicks.

Plan 2 seems hard. I think Plan 1 is the easier option.

Both require an unrealistic level of coordination, but plan 2 is cheaper.

[Dooom35796821595]

Plan 2 seems hard. I think Plan 1 is the easier option.

Both require an unrealistic level of coordination, but plan 2 is cheaper.

Plan 2 will take a damn long time.