The war in the Middle East, a Crusade?

[Hastaeterra]

I do not believe in the war

I only have one thing to say to that.

watch this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyUX6wV1lBQ

[Cameroi]

if there was/is, even one GOOD reason for bush's wars and obama's continuing of them, it ISN'T any of the reasons the public, including myself, has as yet been given. it may be just possible some good reason we haven't been given might exist, but that is getting awfully close to the thin bleeding edge of the bell curve of probability.

now there are a lot of not very nice things some of the countries america and its allies have been attacking have been doing and continue to do to their own people. but so have many of their neighboring countries that 'the west' has allied with. nor does it look very much like the kind of procedures being used are at all very likely to solve them.

[Soyut]

So I was talking today with my friend about U.S. military involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan and he made an interesting point. Every single person we know in America who is not a Christian, is against the war in Iraq/Afghanistan.

While he's not American, and you probably don't know him...

Christopher Hitchens.

Actually I read one of his books

[Bavin]

No.

[Maurepas]

To some people it is, there are those who believe that the US was put on this earth for the sole purpose of defending Israel against the Muslim Hordes...


Unfortunately, I have to converse with many of them on a daily basis, and my attempts to sway them towards logical reasoning on this point have met with thusfar failure,

[Delator]

im a combat engineer in kabul afghanistan, and i say kill them all, burn this country to the ground and lets leave

[DaWoad]

im a combat engineer in kabul afghanistan, and i say kill them all, burn this country to the ground and lets leave

so I wasn't the only one who saw that lol

[South Lorenya]

So I was talking today with my friend about U.S. military involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan and he made an interesting point. Every single person we know in America who is not a Christian, is against the war in Iraq/Afghanistan. And every single person we know who is pro-war is a Christian. To be fair, America is nearly %90 Christian and we do know one person who is Christian and against the war, but she is obviously a minority in the U.S.A. And then we got to talking about the strong zionist movements among conservative Christian churches who vote for senators to give billions of dollars worth of military aid to countries like Israel who essentially displace and murder Muslims. And then there is the economics issue. Some Historians contend that the original crusades were simply and excuse for Europe to loot and raid the middle east which was pimpin rich from "silk road" trade with Asia. In fact one of the crusades didn't even reach the middle east, the Catholic army just went to Constantinople and raided the trading capital of the biggest rival church, the Eastern Orthodox sect. It's focus was mostly loot and treasure. It's certainly not a stretch to say that America has a modern-day economic interest in the Middle East. Crude oil, to be blunt.

It's not completely accurate to say that this war is a modern-day crusade, but who else thinks the similarities are striking? or not.

I'm not christian (or anything else abrahamic), yet I think the war in afghanistan is necessary. The war in iraq was a moronic blunder, but now we have to finish it successfully -- letting some sharia-loving idiots take over iraq would be another moronic blunder.

[Natapoc]

im a combat engineer in kabul afghanistan, and i say kill them all, burn this country to the ground and lets leave

I hear there is this guy living in a cave nearby you who thinks the same thing except about new york. Any relation?

[Delator]

im a combat engineer in kabul afghanistan, and i say kill them all, burn this country to the ground and lets leave

I hear there is this guy living in a cave nearby you who thinks the same think except about new york. Any relation?

[Andaluciae]

Some Historians contend that the original crusades were simply and excuse for Europe to loot and raid the middle east which was pimpin rich from "silk road" trade with Asia.

They forget the problems the European society had with lots of noble warriors running around... focusing such aggressivity away from the "Christian lands" was a major aim of the Church.
Anyway, yes, money was the biggest motivator for the Crusades.

I have the exact quote in Latin and English around here somewhere--the Pope tells the Crusaders that they're pretty much off on a population control mission, wherein it's their population that needs thinned.