California: Possible Jail Time For Misgendering?

[Galloism]

No. English doesn't work that way.

Just like I can't self identify as "going" and insist it's a pronoun.

I'm afraid it does according to the Canadian government and many overzealous liberals good sir.

Now please respect my pronouns.

Prove the Canadian government recognizes all words as potential pronouns.

I'll wait.

[Herskerstad]

*"Saint Empereur Romain", no misgendering please. :^)

Whatever you say Romain.

Hate speech.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

My point was that under that law, you can not as you would fail to provide the requirements for being a roman emperor.

Genders have no bar for entry.

And you know what? I'm fine with that. I don't really care what gender someone is, just if they are a nice person.

And he just pointed out that as long as he calls it a gender then it's fair game.

But it can not be a gender beacuse there is a male and female use of the word 'Emperor'. It also is by definition not a gender so no one would actually take this seriously. Like the cops who would be using there best judgment on enforcing this possible law.

[Herador]

Whatever you say Romain.

Hate speech.

fite me nerd

And he just pointed out that as long as he calls it a gender then it's fair game.

But it can not be a gender beacuse there is a male and female use of the word 'Emperor'. It also is by definition not a gender so no one would actually take this seriously. Like the cops who would be using there best judgment on enforcing this possible law.

There should be a thread on this. Like what does and does not constitute a pronoun legally.

Be a fun fight to watch.

[Aellex]

Whatever you say Romain.

Ah, I understand better the plight demi-kin-gender-fluid-queer-half-boys have to go through now, what a pain it is than to have people denying me to be called as I wish to be! Why can't you people respect me or Sancti for what we wish to be?

All kidding aside, yeah, I didn't think that Canada had went so deep into the rabbit hole as to actually allow this kind of bullshit.

[Herskerstad]

And he just pointed out that as long as he calls it a gender then it's fair game.

But it can not be a gender beacuse there is a male and female use of the word 'Emperor'. It also is by definition not a gender so no one would actually take this seriously. Like the cops who would be using there best judgment on enforcing this possible law.

Oh by entirely serious people you get pronouns like flowergender and anxietygende, even a fucking venndiagram gender out there, and no, I won't let them force me to do math.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Except that has nothing to do with people being assholes about misgendering people deliberately.

No, it held the more important point, which is that compelled speech is bad.

When it comes to criminalising things that hurt feelings, the argument is easy enough that it should be self-explanatory at this point. Entirely subjective values should not be crowned in special legal preferences.

Bullying is also a crime and that involves hurt feelings, and all 50 states have that.

Doesn't that also involve compelled speech?

[Aellex]

But it can not be a gender beacuse there is a male and female use of the word 'Emperor'. It also is by definition not a gender so no one would actually take this seriously. Like the cops who would be using there best judgment on enforcing this possible law.

And? Ain't the whole point of those xir, zix and other things to encompass inexisting concepts of gender yet they are recognized ? Why him wanting to be called "Imperator" be any different from that?

[Des-Bal]

Penalty is a little stiff, the idea is fine for government run institutions, it is unconscionable for private ones.

[Proctopeo]

I'm afraid it does according to the Canadian government and many overzealous liberals good sir.

Now please respect my pronouns.

Prove the Canadian government recognizes all words as potential pronouns.

I'll wait.

They probably don't have any definition or boundaries established for this.
The only way to be sure would be for someone to test it.

[Herador]

Penalty is a little stiff, the idea is fine for government run institutions, it is unconscionable for private ones.

I left for a year and now that I'm back I agree with you on stuff.

I changed or you did, either way, I'm scared.

[Aellex]

They probably don't have any definition or boundaries established for this.
The only way to be sure would be for someone to test it.

Didn't someone used "His Majesty" as preferred pronoun in one of your universities and had it accepted?
I mean, if a place of learning allows it...

[Herskerstad]

Hate speech.

fite me nerd

I'll have Trudeau be my champion, and California be the ring.

[The Portland Territory]

It violates the 1st Amendment, not necessarily to free speech, but Freedom of Religion.

Which religion mandates specific pronoun usage in conversation?

Genuinely curious.

This bill also addresses the bathroom debate, right?

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Hate speech.

fite me nerd

But it can not be a gender beacuse there is a male and female use of the word 'Emperor'. It also is by definition not a gender so no one would actually take this seriously. Like the cops who would be using there best judgment on enforcing this possible law.

There should be a thread on this. Like what does and does not constitute a pronoun legally.

Be a fun fight to watch.

It would yes.

But it can not be a gender beacuse there is a male and female use of the word 'Emperor'. It also is by definition not a gender so no one would actually take this seriously. Like the cops who would be using there best judgment on enforcing this possible law.

Oh by entirely serious people you get pronouns like flowergender and anxietygende, even a fucking venndiagram gender out there, and no, I won't let them force me to do math.

I... don't understand what you are saying.

I am sorry if I made you or any one hear mad...

[Des-Bal]

I left for a year and now that I'm back I agree with you on stuff.

I changed or you did, either way, I'm scared.

I'm pro individual liberty and anti-overcriminalization as always.

[Herador]

fite me nerd

I'll have Trudeau be my champion, and California be the ring.

What a coincidence I just happen to live in the venue. I nominate Jerry Brown as my champion, we settle this at dawn.




Nerd.

[Proctopeo]

They probably don't have any definition or boundaries established for this.
The only way to be sure would be for someone to test it.

Didn't someone used "His Majesty" as preferred pronoun in one of your universities and had it accepted?
I mean, if a place of learning allows it...

Yes, although His Majesty was trolling.

[The Grande Republic 0f Arcadia]

And one of the most blatant laws violating the constitution,

plus why should we get fined or jailed if we call a person thier physical sex such as Mr, Mrs. ,Mrs., Man, women, he, she, ect. Its dumb to force people to change the way they speak for a very small minority of people and if they dont comply or forget its a fine or jail time, if you want to use gender neutral pro-nouns more power to you, but dont force it on everyone.

"Willfully and repeatedly."

It doesn't apply to people that just forget a couple times.

And yet it still is infringing on the speakers constitutional right. Limiting speech with threats of jail time or fines, is a violation of the constitution

[Galloism]

Which religion mandates specific pronoun usage in conversation?

Genuinely curious.

This bill also addresses the bathroom debate, right?

It appears so.

[Salus Maior]

Didn't someone used "His Majesty" as preferred pronoun in one of your universities and had it accepted?
I mean, if a place of learning allows it...

Yes, although His Majesty was trolling.

That just makes it worse.

[Herskerstad]

No, it held the more important point, which is that compelled speech is bad.

When it comes to criminalising things that hurt feelings, the argument is easy enough that it should be self-explanatory at this point. Entirely subjective values should not be crowned in special legal preferences.

Bullying is also a crime and that involves hurt feelings, and all 50 states have that.

Doesn't that also involve compelled speech?

In all the cases I know on it builds upon harassment laws which are not defined to that which can be attributed to differences of opinion without intended malice, or even persistent use of derogatory language, but elements of stalking, persisting in contact after warnings to have it severed, ect. While administrators on school can make value judgements because they are dealing with kids, in court there is far less room for such.

To illustrate, an example of James and Jane, and lets say Jane is a MTF. Example A would have James at first having conversations to Jane which touches on the transgender status, refuse to address Jane as a she, Jane would then tell James to stop being in contact in any number of ways, James would disregard this and continued doing so with intentional and prolonged efforts. That would fit the criteria for harassment. Example B would have James and Jane have a conversation much like the one in example A, Jane would tell James off, he would comply, and in an instance where James is asked by the teacher to say what he thinks of Jane, he would say that he thinks of him as (traits). B would not pass the smell test even with the warning, and harassment almost universally in the cases I've seen has had persistence and breach of ceasing to contact others at the heart of it. It's simply not a disagreement on what constitutes a person, though it certainly can involve that and any number of malicious traits. A one-off shout-fest at an open protest where all the worst words in the world that does not insight violence or action against a person would for example not pass it either no matter how severely feelings were hurt.

[Herskerstad]

I'll have Trudeau be my champion, and California be the ring.

What a coincidence I just happen to live in the venue. I nominate Jerry Brown as my champion, we settle this at dawn.




Nerd.

[Herskerstad]

fite me nerd


There should be a thread on this. Like what does and does not constitute a pronoun legally.

Be a fun fight to watch.

It would yes.

Oh by entirely serious people you get pronouns like flowergender and anxietygende, even a fucking venndiagram gender out there, and no, I won't let them force me to do math.

I... don't understand what you are saying.

I am sorry if I made you or any one hear mad...

I'll clarify.

There are a lot of people who are essentially gender theorists now. 100% Serious people who make up new genders every day, the extremities that it goes towards can best be summed up by this video. Timestampted for numbers portion. https://youtu.be/yO5Hdidlh2g?t=591

As far as me getting mad. Even if I was mad at you, that's not something you should emotionally enslave yourself over. Be sorry if you acted towards me in significant malice or stole something from me to be sure, but make yourself existentially limted by catering to my do's and dont's. That's a complete waste of time and unnecessary anxiety.

[Cosmalia]

Supreme Court ruled that all speech that offends or is considered controversial, even that which is to be considered hate speech, is protected by the first amendment. Any attempts to enforce this law and any other hate speech related law of a similar caliber would be considered unconstitutional. Any more thought into it is ideological floundering. Period.

We aren't Canada.

Thats a good thing.