California: Possible Jail Time For Misgendering?

[Galloism]

*googles*

Well dammit. Anyway, titles and honorifics are not pronouns.

If the law works like he claims they could be, which is worth avoiding here if you ask me.

C-16 is hard, because it interacts with so many laws. The text is thus:

This enactment amends the Canadian Human Rights Act to add gender identity and gender expression to the list of prohibited grounds of discrimination.

The enactment also amends the Criminal Code to extend the protection against hate propaganda set out in that Act to any section of the public that is distinguished by gender identity or expression and to clearly set out that evidence that an offence was motivated by bias, prejudice or hate based on gender identity or expression constitutes an aggravating circumstance that a court must take into consideration when it imposes a sentence.

https://openparliament.ca/bills/42-1/C-16/

[Republic Of Varra]

Blatant disregard for the first amendment.

[Sanctissima]

Yes, but the important thing is that I identify as having been.

And since "identification" is all the rage nowadays, I expect tolerance rather than this bigoted discrimination when people refer to me.

My point was that anyone can identify as pangender, there is no requirements for doing so.

You can not "identify" as someone who does not fit the criteria. (did not win the comitia curiata)

Many emperors, especially the post-Diocletian ones, did not win the Comitia Curiata, yet they received the honorific of 'Imperator' anyway.

As such, I too self-identify with the title, and wish to be referred as such.

[Sanctissima]

They are if I "self-identify" with them. :^)

No. English doesn't work that way.

Just like I can't self identify as "going" and insist it's a pronoun.

I'm afraid it does according to the Canadian government and many overzealous liberals good sir.

Now please respect my pronouns.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Is it going to hurt you just to play along?

Not how speech works. It's not a game between tyrants and slaves. Generally there is a middle ground which does not absorb the opinions of the others.

Imagine if progressively and by law leftist politics became increasingly more tainted in the verbage that was seen as acceptable during an era where conservatives dominated. Words like socialist being seen as dishonest and being replaced with Stalinist, despite it's lack of accuracy and strong disagreements. Should one just roll over and accept that? Being a fan of neither, I'd say no.

Except that has nothing to do with people being assholes about misgendering people deliberately.

My point was that anyone can identify as pangender, there is no requirements for doing so.

You can not "identify" as someone who does not fit the criteria. (did not win the comitia curiata)

Many emperors, especially the post-Diocletian ones, did not win the Comitia Curiata, yet they received the honorific of 'Imperator' anyway.

As such, I too self-identify with the title, and wish to be referred as such.

Proof of having a Roman emperor blood line then. That is how they where chosen afterward.

[Lexicor]

C-16 is the next logical legislative step to this bill in California, which is why I brought it up.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

No you can not. You where not elected in the comitia curiata so there for you are not a Roman emperor.

Someone can, however, consider them selfs to be pangender.

Actually he can, since there is, as far as I am aware, no federal standard to what qualifies as a legitimate gender identity.

That was kind of my point.

Anyone can be any gender, not a lot of people can be roman emperor with out ether of the following:
Ether you win the comitia curiata or you where born in to the role.

[Sanctissima]

Not how speech works. It's not a game between tyrants and slaves. Generally there is a middle ground which does not absorb the opinions of the others.

Imagine if progressively and by law leftist politics became increasingly more tainted in the verbage that was seen as acceptable during an era where conservatives dominated. Words like socialist being seen as dishonest and being replaced with Stalinist, despite it's lack of accuracy and strong disagreements. Should one just roll over and accept that? Being a fan of neither, I'd say no.

Except that has nothing to do with people being assholes about misgendering people deliberately.

Many emperors, especially the post-Diocletian ones, did not win the Comitia Curiata, yet they received the honorific of 'Imperator' anyway.

As such, I too self-identify with the title, and wish to be referred as such.

Proof of having a Roman emperor blood line then. That is how they where chosen afterward.

Then I shall follow the same process as Augustus himself, and claim a line dating all the way back to the goddess Venus herself, without providing any tangible evidence regarding the matter.

Remember, calling the emperor a liar is heresy.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Except that has nothing to do with people being assholes about misgendering people deliberately.


Proof of having a Roman emperor blood line then. That is how they where chosen afterward.

Then I shall follow the same process as Augustus himself, and claim a line dating all the way back to the goddess Venus herself, without providing any tangible evidence regarding the matter.

Remember, calling the emperor a liar is heresy.

Except that he adopted Octavius and got in to the famaly that way.

But at this point we are way off topic.

[Herador]

Except that has nothing to do with people being assholes about misgendering people deliberately.


Proof of having a Roman emperor blood line then. That is how they where chosen afterward.

Then I shall follow the same process as Augustus himself, and claim a line dating all the way back to the goddess Venus herself, without providing any tangible evidence regarding the matter.

Remember, calling the emperor a liar is heresy.

This is in the running for dumbest off-topic argument I've ever seen.

[Sanctissima]

Then I shall follow the same process as Augustus himself, and claim a line dating all the way back to the goddess Venus herself, without providing any tangible evidence regarding the matter.

Remember, calling the emperor a liar is heresy.

Except that he adopted Octavius and got in to the famaly that way.

But at this point we are way off topic.

Augustus was Octavius you misgendering bigot.

But yes, I'm derailing this thread. My point being, Bill C-16 and other proposed bills like it are ridiculous, since I can legally identify as a Roman emperor or whatever the hell I like so long as I call it a gender.

It isn't tolerant or anti-discriminatory, it's just knee-jerk reactionary feel-good nonsense.

[Vassenor]

Except that he adopted Octavius and got in to the famaly that way.

But at this point we are way off topic.

Augustus was Octavius you misgendering bigot.

But yes, I'm derailing this thread. My point being, Bill C-16 and other proposed bills like it are ridiculous, since I can legally identify as a Roman emperor or whatever the hell I like so long as I call it a gender.

It isn't tolerant or anti-discriminatory, it's just knee-jerk reactionary feel-good nonsense.

Which is interesting considering the bill in the OP is about harassment rather than discrimination.

[New haven america]

Except that he adopted Octavius and got in to the famaly that way.

But at this point we are way off topic.

Augustus was Octavius you misgendering bigot.

But yes, I'm derailing this thread. My point being, Bill C-16 and other proposed bills like it are ridiculous, since I can legally identify as a Roman emperor or whatever the hell I like so long as I call it a gender.

It isn't tolerant or anti-discriminatory, it's just knee-jerk reactionary feel-good nonsense.

Um, did you actually read the OP? It's about harassment, not discrimination...

[Sanctissima]

Augustus was Octavius you misgendering bigot.

But yes, I'm derailing this thread. My point being, Bill C-16 and other proposed bills like it are ridiculous, since I can legally identify as a Roman emperor or whatever the hell I like so long as I call it a gender.

It isn't tolerant or anti-discriminatory, it's just knee-jerk reactionary feel-good nonsense.

Which is interesting considering the bill in the OP is about harassment rather than discrimination.

Which are quintessentially different versions of the same thing.

[Herador]

Except that he adopted Octavius and got in to the famaly that way.

But at this point we are way off topic.

Augustus was Octavius you misgendering bigot.

But yes, I'm derailing this thread. My point being, Bill C-16 and other proposed bills like it are ridiculous, since I can legally identify as a Roman emperor or whatever the hell I like so long as I call it a gender.

It isn't tolerant or anti-discriminatory, it's just knee-jerk reactionary feel-good nonsense.

And you've elegantly proven that point by screeching about Roman Emperors. Nice.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Except that he adopted Octavius and got in to the famaly that way.

But at this point we are way off topic.

Augustus was Octavius you misgendering bigot.

But yes, I'm derailing this thread. My point being, Bill C-16 and other proposed bills like it are ridiculous, since I can legally identify as a Roman emperor or whatever the hell I like so long as I call it a gender.

It isn't tolerant or anti-discriminatory, it's just knee-jerk reactionary feel-good nonsense.

My point was that under that law, you can not as you would fail to provide the requirements for being a roman emperor.

Genders have no bar for entry.

And you know what? I'm fine with that. I don't really care what gender someone is, just if they are a nice person.

[Donut section]

Well I've never thought it was right to misgender someone before, but after this I guess it's time to misgender everyone.

[New haven america]

Which is interesting considering the bill in the OP is about harassment rather than discrimination.

Which are quintessentially different versions of the same thing.

Discrimination-The unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people or things, especially on the grounds of race, age, or sex. Synonyms: prejudice, bias, bigotry
Harassment-Aggressive pressure or intimidation. Synonyms: persecution, hassle, coercion

No, they are not the same thing.

[Aellex]

My point was that under that law, you can not as you would fail to provide the requirements for being a roman emperor.

Genders have no bar for entry.

And you know what? I'm fine with that. I don't really care what gender someone is, just if they are a nice person.

He has his ancestry backing him up, tho. I can confirm with totally not faked focument he's from the gens Iulia alright so that means he has a legitimate claim to the title of Emperor.
In the mean time, I myself have totally not forged documents proving my ancestry back to the Carolingian Dynasty so please refer to me as "Saint Empereur Romain" pls. :^)

[Herador]

My point was that under that law, you can not as you would fail to provide the requirements for being a roman emperor.

Genders have no bar for entry.

And you know what? I'm fine with that. I don't really care what gender someone is, just if they are a nice person.

He has his ancestry backing him up, tho. I can confirm with totally not faked focument he's from the gens Iulia alright so that means he has a legitimate claim to the title of Emperor.
In the mean time, I myself have totally not forged documents proving my ancestry back to the Carolingian Dynasty so please refer to me as "Saint Empereur Romain" pls. :^)

Sure, I'll call you Romain from now on at every given opportunity.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

My point was that under that law, you can not as you would fail to provide the requirements for being a roman emperor.

Genders have no bar for entry.

And you know what? I'm fine with that. I don't really care what gender someone is, just if they are a nice person.

He has his ancestry backing him up, tho. I can confirm with totally not faked focument he's from the gens Iulia alright so that means he has a legitimate claim to the title of Emperor.
In the mean time, I myself have totally not forged documents proving my ancestry back to the Carolingian Dynasty so please refer to me as "Saint Empereur Romain" pls. :^)

What ever you say Romain.

[Napkiraly]

Augustus was Octavius you misgendering bigot.

But yes, I'm derailing this thread. My point being, Bill C-16 and other proposed bills like it are ridiculous, since I can legally identify as a Roman emperor or whatever the hell I like so long as I call it a gender.

It isn't tolerant or anti-discriminatory, it's just knee-jerk reactionary feel-good nonsense.

My point was that under that law, you can not as you would fail to provide the requirements for being a roman emperor.

Genders have no bar for entry.

And you know what? I'm fine with that. I don't really care what gender someone is, just if they are a nice person.

And he just pointed out that as long as he calls it a gender then it's fair game.

[Aellex]

Sure, I'll call you Romain from now on at every given opportunity.

*"Saint Empereur Romain", no misgendering please. :^)

[Herskerstad]

Not how speech works. It's not a game between tyrants and slaves. Generally there is a middle ground which does not absorb the opinions of the others.

Imagine if progressively and by law leftist politics became increasingly more tainted in the verbage that was seen as acceptable during an era where conservatives dominated. Words like socialist being seen as dishonest and being replaced with Stalinist, despite it's lack of accuracy and strong disagreements. Should one just roll over and accept that? Being a fan of neither, I'd say no.

Except that has nothing to do with people being assholes about misgendering people deliberately.

No, it held the more important point, which is that compelled speech is bad.

When it comes to criminalising things that hurt feelings, the argument is easy enough that it should be self-explanatory at this point. Entirely subjective values should not be crowned in special legal preferences.

[Herador]

Sure, I'll call you Romain from now on at every given opportunity.

*"Saint Empereur Romain", no misgendering please. :^)

Whatever you say Romain.