by Torsiedelle » Thu Aug 17, 2017 1:18 pm
by Grand Britannia » Thu Aug 17, 2017 1:20 pm
by Germanic Templars » Thu Aug 17, 2017 1:22 pm
by The 19th Century » Thu Aug 17, 2017 1:24 pm
Torsiedelle wrote:maybe if it's proven to be done in a way to harass or bully someone, yes,
by Herador » Thu Aug 17, 2017 1:25 pm
Grand Britannia wrote:Policing speech and forcing people to magically know the made up gender someone assigns to themselves.
Truly this is a golden age for western civilization.
It shall be unlawful for a long-term care facility or facility staff to.... willfully and repeatedly fail to use a resident's preferred name or pronouns after being clearly informed of the preferred name or pronouns.
by Seangoli » Thu Aug 17, 2017 1:25 pm
Grand Britannia wrote:Policing speech and forcing people to magically know the made up gender someone assigns to themselves.
Truly this is a golden age for western civilization.
by Torsiedelle » Thu Aug 17, 2017 1:26 pm
The 19th Century wrote:Torsiedelle wrote:maybe if it's proven to be done in a way to harass or bully someone, yes,
The law would only apply to cases where it is being done to bully or harass someone. It says in the text: "willfully and repeatedly...after being clearly informed of the preferred name or pronouns."
by Seangoli » Thu Aug 17, 2017 1:26 pm
Herador wrote:Grand Britannia wrote:Policing speech and forcing people to magically know the made up gender someone assigns to themselves.
Truly this is a golden age for western civilization.
"It shall be unlawful for a long-term care facility or facility staff to.... willfully and repeatedly fail to use a resident's preferred name or pronouns after being clearly informed of the preferred name or pronouns."
So is it that you can't read, don't want to, or just shitpost for fun?
by Grand Britannia » Thu Aug 17, 2017 1:26 pm
Herador wrote:Grand Britannia wrote:Policing speech and forcing people to magically know the made up gender someone assigns to themselves.
Truly this is a golden age for western civilization.
"It shall be unlawful for a long-term care facility or facility staff to.... willfully and repeatedly fail to use a resident's preferred name or pronouns after being clearly informed of the preferred name or pronouns."
So is it that you can't read, don't want to, or just shitpost for fun?
Grand Britannia wrote:Policing speech and forcing people to magically know the made up gender someone assigns to themselves.
Truly this is a golden age for western civilization.
by The East Marches II » Thu Aug 17, 2017 1:27 pm
by The 19th Century » Thu Aug 17, 2017 1:27 pm
Grand Britannia wrote:Policing speech and forcing people to magically know the made up gender someone assigns to themselves.
Truly this is a golden age for western civilization.
by Herador » Thu Aug 17, 2017 1:28 pm
Seangoli wrote:Herador wrote:"It shall be unlawful for a long-term care facility or facility staff to.... willfully and repeatedly fail to use a resident's preferred name or pronouns after being clearly informed of the preferred name or pronouns."
So is it that you can't read, don't want to, or just shitpost for fun?
In other words, it's is unlawful for someone to repeatedly harass a person they are caring for as a long term care provider intentionally.
The shock. The horror.
by Grand Britannia » Thu Aug 17, 2017 1:30 pm
Herador wrote:Seangoli wrote:
In other words, it's is unlawful for someone to repeatedly harass a person they are caring for as a long term care provider intentionally.
The shock. The horror.
I actually agree with GB for once, this actually is a golden age for western civilization. I just mean that unironically because I'm capable of reading and thinking for longer than it takes to spasm out a garbage response.
by Herador » Thu Aug 17, 2017 1:31 pm
Grand Britannia wrote:Herador wrote:"It shall be unlawful for a long-term care facility or facility staff to.... willfully and repeatedly fail to use a resident's preferred name or pronouns after being clearly informed of the preferred name or pronouns."
So is it that you can't read, don't want to, or just shitpost for fun?Grand Britannia wrote:Policing speech and forcing people to magically know the made up gender someone assigns to themselves.
Truly this is a golden age for western civilization.
I could as you the same.
Anyways this is, like it has been said before, unconstitutional.
Grand Britannia wrote:Herador wrote:I actually agree with GB for once, this actually is a golden age for western civilization. I just mean that unironically because I'm capable of reading and thinking for longer than it takes to spasm out a garbage response.
Yeah policing what people say, clearly the sign of a free society.
"herp derp say whatever prnoun the person likes pretending to be or go to jail"
10/10.
by The Grande Republic 0f Arcadia » Thu Aug 17, 2017 1:31 pm
by The East Marches II » Thu Aug 17, 2017 1:31 pm
Seangoli wrote:Grand Britannia wrote:Policing speech and forcing people to magically know the made up gender someone assigns to themselves.
Truly this is a golden age for western civilization.
Which is not at all what the bill does, states, or intends. Hell, it's not even intended for the wider public.
It actually clearly states that its only for long-term care providers, and it also only applies in situations where said provider has clearly been told by the individual they are caring for what their preferred pronoun is.
Now, if you still have issue, then take issue with what the fucking bill does, and not what the misleading title says. There is no ambiguity in what a person is to be called under the law, and it does not apply to random people on the streets.
by The 19th Century » Thu Aug 17, 2017 1:32 pm
Grand Britannia wrote:Herador wrote:I actually agree with GB for once, this actually is a golden age for western civilization. I just mean that unironically because I'm capable of reading and thinking for longer than it takes to spasm out a garbage response.
Yeah policing what people say, clearly the sign of a free society.
"herp derp say whatever prnoun the person likes pretending to be or go to jail"
10/10.
by Grand Britannia » Thu Aug 17, 2017 1:33 pm
Herador wrote:Grand Britannia wrote:
I could as you the same.
Anyways this is, like it has been said before, unconstitutional.
Ah, I get it. See, I thought you were mad that you thought everyone was going to be forced to do this, ya know, since the rest of what you wrote seemed to indicate that you thought this was just going to be something dumped on normal people.
But I get it now.
Backtrackings cool dude, I can do deal with this too. I can't actually argue against you just wanting people to be able to say whatever they want whenever they want though, so take your win I guess. I'd like to see why it's unconstitutional though.
by Seangoli » Thu Aug 17, 2017 1:34 pm
The East Marches II wrote:Seangoli wrote:
Which is not at all what the bill does, states, or intends. Hell, it's not even intended for the wider public.
It actually clearly states that its only for long-term care providers, and it also only applies in situations where said provider has clearly been told by the individual they are caring for what their preferred pronoun is.
Now, if you still have issue, then take issue with what the fucking bill does, and not what the misleading title says. There is no ambiguity in what a person is to be called under the law, and it does not apply to random people on the streets.
"It will only apply in this limited context"
"This will never escape that one scenario"
Yeah, yeah I'm sure. Canada style speech restrictions belong in the trash. If there is an issue with an employee doing that, they can be fired for violating misconduct rules. No need for Johnny Law to step in here other than an attempt to set a precedent for this sort of nonsense.
by The 19th Century » Thu Aug 17, 2017 1:34 pm
The Grande Republic 0f Arcadia wrote:And one of the most blatant laws violating the constitution,
plus why should we get fined or jailed if we call a person thier physical sex such as Mr, Mrs. ,Mrs., Man, women, he, she, ect. Its dumb to force people to change the way they speak for a very small minority of people and if they dont comply or forget its a fine or jail time, if you want to use gender neutral pro-nouns more power to you, but dont force it on everyone.
by Herador » Thu Aug 17, 2017 1:35 pm
Grand Britannia wrote:Herador wrote:Ah, I get it. See, I thought you were mad that you thought everyone was going to be forced to do this, ya know, since the rest of what you wrote seemed to indicate that you thought this was just going to be something dumped on normal people.
But I get it now.
Backtrackings cool dude, I can do deal with this too. I can't actually argue against you just wanting people to be able to say whatever they want whenever they want though, so take your win I guess. I'd like to see why it's unconstitutional though.
>Pointing out to something I had already said is back tracking
lmao
Also it's unconstitutional because of the first amendment.
by The East Marches II » Thu Aug 17, 2017 1:36 pm
Seangoli wrote:The East Marches II wrote:
"It will only apply in this limited context"
"This will never escape that one scenario"
Yeah, yeah I'm sure. Canada style speech restrictions belong in the trash. If there is an issue with an employee doing that, they can be fired for violating misconduct rules. No need for Johnny Law to step in here other than an attempt to set a precedent for this sort of nonsense.
We are discussing a situation where one person is put into the direct care of another.
Jesus, this sort of disingenuous slippery slopism is just plain laughable.
by Seangoli » Thu Aug 17, 2017 1:37 pm
The East Marches II wrote:Seangoli wrote:
We are discussing a situation where one person is put into the direct care of another.
Jesus, this sort of disingenuous slippery slopism is just plain laughable.
With the fine folks on the identity left, I do not doubt this will make it into the mainstream. Its not laughable, its what will happen. Just because you happen to be blind to the matter doesn't mean the rest of us are. Some poor fucker is going to have to fight a lawsuit and spend money to get this taken to the Supreme Court when it spreads.
by Herskerstad » Thu Aug 17, 2017 1:37 pm
by Telconi » Thu Aug 17, 2017 1:38 pm
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