NationStates

You're probably wondering why this thread exists. Well, the reason why is that while we have threads dedicated to the alt-right, there is no thread that is fully dedicated to this anarchist leftist terrorist group. Antifa is a loosely coordinated group of far-left activists and protesters who have banded together "against the establishment and authority", which in their case, is the perceived threat from capitalists and the alt-right. They have assaulted and maimed people, and have gotten close to killing in the past. This group must be stopped soon.

I've created this thread for you to dump your thoughts. Let's begin!

Dear lord son, what have you done?

In all seriousness, I don't condone a lot of what ANTIFA does. I consider their "loose or broad" goals to be admirable, that is, standing against racism and authoritarianism of all stripes, but when they delve into far-left, bizarre bullshit, well, I get a little less sympathetic. But the criticisms of the Antifa being worse than the alt right or the criticisms that "teh alt left is also evil" are kind of out there.

Major-Tom wrote:Dear lord son, what have you done?

In all seriousness, I don't condone a lot of what ANTIFA does. I consider their "loose or broad" goals to be admirable, that is, standing against racism and authoritarianism of all stripes, but when they delve into far-left, bizarre bullshit, well, I get a little less sympathetic. But the criticisms of the Antifa being worse than the alt right or the criticisms that "teh alt left is also evil" are kind of out there.

I look at it like a spectrum- I'm at the middle. The crackpots are at either end.

Greater Cesnica wrote:

Major-Tom wrote:Dear lord son, what have you done?

In all seriousness, I don't condone a lot of what ANTIFA does. I consider their "loose or broad" goals to be admirable, that is, standing against racism and authoritarianism of all stripes, but when they delve into far-left, bizarre bullshit, well, I get a little less sympathetic. But the criticisms of the Antifa being worse than the alt right or the criticisms that "teh alt left is also evil" are kind of out there.

I look at it like a spectrum- I'm at the middle. The crackpots are at either end.

Right.. it's as crazy to want to fight against bigotry and racism as it is to promote it. It's all just a point of view. I don't condone violence on either side but the aims of each are not equally good.

Major-Tom wrote:Dear lord son, what have you done?

In all seriousness, I don't condone a lot of what ANTIFA does. I consider their "loose or broad" goals to be admirable, that is, standing against racism and authoritarianism of all stripes, but when they delve into far-left, bizarre bullshit, well, I get a little less sympathetic. But the criticisms of the Antifa being worse than the alt right or the criticisms that "teh alt left is also evil" are kind of out there.

Well, you could almost say that ANTIFA is like a leftist terrorist group. I mean, if you look at their official Twitter page, you can see their almost Nazi-like rhetoric, except in reverse. Besides, it doesn't look like they actively refrain from using violence to achieve their political goals. In my opinion, it is like the KKK, but in reverse.

Veleth wrote:

Major-Tom wrote:Dear lord son, what have you done?

In all seriousness, I don't condone a lot of what ANTIFA does. I consider their "loose or broad" goals to be admirable, that is, standing against racism and authoritarianism of all stripes, but when they delve into far-left, bizarre bullshit, well, I get a little less sympathetic. But the criticisms of the Antifa being worse than the alt right or the criticisms that "teh alt left is also evil" are kind of out there.

Well, you could almost say that ANTIFA is like a leftist terrorist group. I mean, if you look at their official Twitter page, you can see their almost Nazi-like rhetoric, except in reverse. Besides, it doesn't look like they actively refrain from using violence to achieve their political goals. In my opinion, it is like the KKK, but in reverse.

They are already classified as a terrorist group in my state of birth, New Jersey.

Greater Cesnica wrote:

Veleth wrote:
Well, you could almost say that ANTIFA is like a leftist terrorist group. I mean, if you look at their official Twitter page, you can see their almost Nazi-like rhetoric, except in reverse. Besides, it doesn't look like they actively refrain from using violence to achieve their political goals. In my opinion, it is like the KKK, but in reverse.

They are already classified as a terrorist group in my state of birth, New Jersey.

I'm so sorry.

Bombadil wrote:

Greater Cesnica wrote:I look at it like a spectrum- I'm at the middle. The crackpots are at either end.

Right.. it's as crazy to want to fight against bigotry and racism as it is to promote it. It's all just a point of view. I don't condone violence on either side but the aims of each are not equally good.

Indeed.
I simply disagree with these black blocs/antifas/whatevers that a white-sheeted cone-hatted Dunce-ass racist shitbag walking around whining about muh heritarge and blacks committing more crimes and killing over 9000 innocent white wimmin coppers who dindu nuffin is the same as old Dunceass McDunce leading a lynch mob and therefore we can beat him up when he whines. That's just fucked-up. But they're not committed to a liberal society, they want one where the patent fact that we are not Dovahkiins is ignored.

Greater Cesnica wrote:

Veleth wrote:
Well, you could almost say that ANTIFA is like a leftist terrorist group. I mean, if you look at their official Twitter page, you can see their almost Nazi-like rhetoric, except in reverse. Besides, it doesn't look like they actively refrain from using violence to achieve their political goals. In my opinion, it is like the KKK, but in reverse.

They are already classified as a terrorist group in my state of birth, New Jersey.

I thought you were British.

American antifa is pretty stupid right now. Other antifas, such as British antifa in the 80s and Greek antifa now were/are very effective.

Genivaria wrote:

Greater Cesnica wrote:They are already classified as a terrorist group in my state of birth, New Jersey.

I'm so sorry.

Really? I'd be thankful if they were classified as a terrorist group here in Washington.

In Britain, the Battle of Cable Street put the BUF on the decline. In the 70s and 80s antifascism forced skinheads underground. In France antifa and jewish groups made nazis afraid to spread their hate and violence by going into nazi bars and beating the shit out of people. Now you've got people pissing themselves because Chelsea Manning said we should curbstomp white supremacists, and chuds literally running away and taking off their clothes when confronted with counter protesters.

Make these fuckers afraid to organize. Drive them back under their rocks. It fucking works, that's proven, there's nothing pointing to the idea that "it just emboldens them and drives people to their cause" because 1: they're cowards, and 2: people hate nazis and have no sympathy for them. Fuck your horseshoe theory. One side is preaching genocide and the other side is fighting that. There are clear lines, and if you condemn antifa, you might as well be a collaborator.

The United Colonies of Earth wrote:

Greater Cesnica wrote:They are already classified as a terrorist group in my state of birth, New Jersey.

I thought you were British.

u wot m8?

Greater Cesnica wrote:

The United Colonies of Earth wrote:I thought you were British.

u wot m8?

Well, your sig does say "Red Tory" but it also has an Americanism (shouldathunkit) in there underneath...

The United Colonies of Earth wrote:

Greater Cesnica wrote:u wot m8?

Well, your sig does say "Red Tory" but it also has an Americanism (shouldathunkit) in there underneath...

In Canada, Tory is a term. I have dual Canadian/US Citizenship.

Greater Cesnica wrote:

Veleth wrote:
Well, you could almost say that ANTIFA is like a leftist terrorist group. I mean, if you look at their official Twitter page, you can see their almost Nazi-like rhetoric, except in reverse. Besides, it doesn't look like they actively refrain from using violence to achieve their political goals. In my opinion, it is like the KKK, but in reverse.

They are already classified as a terrorist group in my state of birth, New Jersey.

Can you show me evidence on this, all I can see is that Alex Jones claimed they were and this is repeated on a host of right-wing sites but I can't even find it on their NJHD site.

Bombadil wrote:

Greater Cesnica wrote:They are already classified as a terrorist group in my state of birth, New Jersey.

Can you show me evidence on this, all I can see is that Alex Jones claimed they were and this is repeated on a host of right-wing sites but I can't even find it on their NJHD site.

https://www.njhomelandsecurity.gov/anal ... ?rq=antifa

Did you use fucking Bing to search up my claim?

Antifa and the likes are all terrorists in my eyes , they are not some special freedom fighting " peoples " group , as for the Alt right and skinheads. They are misguided and incompetent fools who claim fascism and other ideologies they lack any concept of.

Major-Tom wrote:Dear lord son, what have you done?

In all seriousness, I don't condone a lot of what ANTIFA does. I consider their "loose or broad" goals to be admirable, that is, standing against racism and authoritarianism of all stripes, but when they delve into far-left, bizarre bullshit, well, I get a little less sympathetic. But the criticisms of the Antifa being worse than the alt right or the criticisms that "teh alt left is also evil" are kind of out there.

I agree with most of this, but I think Antifa shoulders a lot of the blame for the escalation in violence in the past few years. They attack peaceful demonstrations, and that's created an atmosphere where you need people willing to fight them if you're going to going to engage in any demonstration they might target, which seems to be anything that deviates from their extremist platform. It creates a situation where violence in inevitable, which of course just attracts people who are in it for the violence.

Greater Cesnica wrote:

Veleth wrote:
Well, you could almost say that ANTIFA is like a leftist terrorist group. I mean, if you look at their official Twitter page, you can see their almost Nazi-like rhetoric, except in reverse. Besides, it doesn't look like they actively refrain from using violence to achieve their political goals. In my opinion, it is like the KKK, but in reverse.

They are already classified as a terrorist group in my state of birth, New Jersey.

Good. Hope they get classified as a terrorist group everywhere, because they are causing more harm than happiness.

MERIZoC wrote:In Britain, the Battle of Cable Street put the BUF on the decline. In the 70s and 80s antifascism forced skinheads underground. In France antifa and jewish groups made nazis afraid to spread their hate and violence by going into nazi bars and beating the shit out of people. Now you've got people pissing themselves because Chelsea Manning said we should curbstomp white supremacists, and chuds literally running away and taking off their clothes when confronted with counter protesters.

Make these fuckers afraid to organize. Drive them back under their rocks. It fucking works, that's proven, there's nothing pointing to the idea that "it just emboldens them and drives people to their cause" because 1: they're cowards, and 2: people hate nazis and have no sympathy for them. Fuck your horseshoe theory. One side is preaching genocide and the other side is fighting that. There are clear lines, and if you condemn antifa, you might as well be a collaborator.

Nice cognitive dissonance there. Surely the way to combat organized fascistic violence is to replace it with unorganized fascistic violence. Genius.

Veleth wrote:

Greater Cesnica wrote:They are already classified as a terrorist group in my state of birth, New Jersey.

Good. Hope they get classified as a terrorist group everywhere, because they are causing more harm than happiness.

And that's saying something. N.J is often described as one of the more liberal states.

Vaquas wrote:

MERIZoC wrote:In Britain, the Battle of Cable Street put the BUF on the decline. In the 70s and 80s antifascism forced skinheads underground. In France antifa and jewish groups made nazis afraid to spread their hate and violence by going into nazi bars and beating the shit out of people. Now you've got people pissing themselves because Chelsea Manning said we should curbstomp white supremacists, and chuds literally running away and taking off their clothes when confronted with counter protesters.

Make these fuckers afraid to organize. Drive them back under their rocks. It fucking works, that's proven, there's nothing pointing to the idea that "it just emboldens them and drives people to their cause" because 1: they're cowards, and 2: people hate nazis and have no sympathy for them. Fuck your horseshoe theory. One side is preaching genocide and the other side is fighting that. There are clear lines, and if you condemn antifa, you might as well be a collaborator.

Nice cognitive dissonance there. Surely the way to combat organized fascistic violence is to replace it with unorganized fascistic violence. Genius.

The way to combat fascists is just like how you combat any other enemy that seeks your destruction.

Major-Tom wrote:Dear lord son, what have you done?

In all seriousness, I don't condone a lot of what ANTIFA does. I consider their "loose or broad" goals to be admirable, that is, standing against racism and authoritarianism of all stripes, but when they delve into far-left, bizarre bullshit, well, I get a little less sympathetic. But the criticisms of the Antifa being worse than the alt right or the criticisms that "teh alt left is also evil" are kind of out there.

This, mostly.

While I am also anti-fascist (and I do enjoy seeing a Nazi get socked in the face), responding in the way ANTIFA does makes it very easy for people to say, "well, the left is also full of violent nutjobs so really who is the right side?" I mean, getting angry and passionate is great for rhetoric, but it has to be kept to speeches and debate. The instant you start responding to violence with violence is when the public discounts what you have to say. They start dismissing your positions because of how you choose to respond to your opponents, and then the more level-headed people who are arguing the same points but don't run around destroying property get lumped together with those who do. Really, at best the whole movement is counterproductive to what their aims are.

While a fascist may deserve to be punched in the face, doing so ultimately hurts your validity in the public eye.

MERIZoC wrote:

Vaquas wrote:

Nice cognitive dissonance there. Surely the way to combat organized fascistic violence is to replace it with unorganized fascistic violence. Genius.

The way to combat fascists is just like how you combat any other enemy that seeks your destruction.

Well well, give us the combat strategy!