Antifa Discussion Thread

[Vaquas]

Maybe that's because normal people were counterprotesting as well, not just Domestic ANTIFA terrorists. This is true on the other side as well, though granted most people who were against the removal of the statues had enough common sense to stay the hell home.

.....do you think an ANTIFA is a special type of human breed? The "normal counter protesters" were, by definition, antifa.

Nothing normal about violent terrorists. Being Anti-Fascist and being a member of the ANTIFA cause are two almost wildly different things.

[The Union of Continental States]

Antifa is a domestic terrorist organization. So is the KKK, and the neo-nazis supporting it. I will probably not comment here again, as I visit this game every few days.

[MERIZoC]

.....do you think an ANTIFA is a special type of human breed? The "normal counter protesters" were, by definition, antifa.

Nothing normal about violent terrorists. Being Anti-Fascist and being a member of the ANTIFA cause are two almost wildly different things.

The 20,000 jews, communists, and laborers who defended their homes against a fascist march and police violence were clearly superhumans, who the common folk had no connection with.

[The Two Jerseys]

They're just a bunch of thugs. Nazis and white supremacists may be loudmouthed assholes, but that still doesn't give anyone the right to physically assault them.

If that's the case, let's arrest all WWII vets, who did far worse too those 'loud-mouthed assholes' whom you now so blithely dismiss as nothing more than mouthing off.

How far we have fallen to just dismiss these types as a joke... We already fought a world war to destroy these people, let's try not too let them get anywhere near the point we have too do it again hmm?

Because Americans exercising their First Amendment rights and foreign belligerents in a declared state of war are totally the same thing!

Seriously, this false equivalence needs to end.

[Cedoria]

Right you are. The reverse of advocating genocide and race murder is opposing people who advocate genocide and race murder. Why do you say that like it's a bad thing?

One group hates Jews, Blacks etc, the other hates people who hate Jews, Blacks etc.


The Alt-Right hates certain people for what they ARE, Antifa hates certain people for what they DO.

Both hatreds are not equally irrational, one is based in reality, the other is a paranoiac's fantasy. This whole ''both sides are as bad' shtick is blatantly untrue.

What is your criticism, that Antifa is too nice to Nazis? Forgive me, but I was under the impression that not liking racists meant... not liking racists. I don't understand why some people are expressing criticisms that Antifa has been too mean to Nazis. WE SHOULD ALL be mean to Nazis.

My criticism is that ANTIFA is just as bad as the Nazis because:

1. They use violence to achieve their goals, rather than search for a civilized, diplomatic solution. In fact they consistently advocate violent crime, according to their official twitter.

2. They consider capitalists, conservatives as subhuman, and advocate for the censorship of anyone who disagrees with them.

3. They also commit hate crimes.

I have no problem with criticizing Nazis, however I DO have a problem with using violence against them.

1: Using violence to achieve political goals doesn't make you a Nazi. Lots of groups use violence too achieve their goals, often groups admired by many. This equation of political violence too Nazism is utterly childish and juvenile.
2: Source please.
3: Against Nazis. Good, we should all hate Nazism. I don't understand why you are objecting that people aren't being nice enough to white supremacists.


If this is really the objection than it seems the whole of centrist America has collectively lost it's mind in the past few years.

[Dorran]

Because no one will listen to a terrorist.

The nazis certainly listen, and that's all that really matters.

They listen to violence against themselves? Perhaps, but all it does is give Nazis a chance to say, "Look, we're being attacked! We're being persecuted for our beliefs! Look at those bad guys over there!" and thus gives them extra leverage to win people who are not far-left over to their side. Using physical violence to shut down a group of people will just result in them trying harder to take over.

[The Union of Continental States]

.....do you think an ANTIFA is a special type of human breed? The "normal counter protesters" were, by definition, antifa.

Nothing normal about violent terrorists. Being Anti-Fascist and being a member of the ANTIFA cause are two almost wildly different things.

Exactly. Antifa is a contradiction in itself.

[Cedoria]

If that's the case, let's arrest all WWII vets, who did far worse too those 'loud-mouthed assholes' whom you now so blithely dismiss as nothing more than mouthing off.

How far we have fallen to just dismiss these types as a joke... We already fought a world war to destroy these people, let's try not too let them get anywhere near the point we have too do it again hmm?

Because Americans exercising their First Amendment rights and foreign belligerents in a declared state of war are totally the same thing!

Seriously, this false equivalence needs to end.

Both sides exercised first amendment rights. One side drove a car into the other and committed murder to intimidate their opponents. Was it Antifa that did that?

You are the one with the false equivalency here.

[Greater Cesnica]

Also, I have to sign off now. Hope this doesn't turn into a clusterfuck by the time I wake up!

*impossible goal*

[MERIZoC]

The nazis certainly listen, and that's all that really matters.

They listen to violence against themselves? Perhaps, but all it does is give Nazis a chance to say, "Look, we're being attacked! We're being persecuted for our beliefs! Look at those bad guys over there!" and thus gives them extra leverage to win people who are not far-left over to their side. Using physical violence to shut down a group of people will just result in them trying harder to take over.

Except this doesnt happen. Look at history and look at right now. They're a bunch of nerds and pussies who get scared when actually confronted.

[Vaquas]

Because Americans exercising their First Amendment rights and foreign belligerents in a declared state of war are totally the same thing!

Seriously, this false equivalence needs to end.

Both sides exercised first amendment rights. One side drove a car into the other and committed murder to intimidate their opponents. Was it Antifa that did that?

You are the one with the false equivalency here.

Nah it's still you fam.

[Redsection]

The fascists of the world remember what the anarchists , socialists , and communists did to the people's and clergy of Spain , we remember what you did in Italy , we remember the clashes had in Ireland and England. It's time to stop hiding behind the guise of proud vigilantes fighting the " fight "

[Liriena]

One can be critical of the actions of some American antifa without pushing a false equivalence with actual goddamn nazis or calling them a "terrorist group".

[Cedoria]

If that's the case, let's arrest all WWII vets, who did far worse too those 'loud-mouthed assholes' whom you now so blithely dismiss as nothing more than mouthing off.

How far we have fallen to just dismiss these types as a joke... We already fought a world war to destroy these people, let's try not too let them get anywhere near the point we have too do it again hmm?

How many people has Richard Spencer ordered dead? 0.

Big difference between fucking liberating europe and punching someone who hasn't assaulted you in the face because of their ideology.

Spencer advocates for ethnic cleansing.

Anybody who actually believes that isn't a call for violence is nuttier than my Aunt's fruitcake.

[MERIZoC]

Because Americans exercising their First Amendment rights and foreign belligerents in a declared state of war are totally the same thing!

Seriously, this false equivalence needs to end.

Both sides exercised first amendment rights. One side drove a car into the other and committed murder to intimidate their opponents. Was it Antifa that did that?

You are the one with the false equivalency here.

No, we should really "both sides this" after nazis just murdered someone. After all, we are smart, sensible centrists.

[Republic of the Cristo]

In Britain, the Battle of Cable Street put the BUF on the decline. In the 70s and 80s antifascism forced skinheads underground. In France antifa and jewish groups made nazis afraid to spread their hate and violence by going into nazi bars and beating the shit out of people. Now you've got people pissing themselves because Chelsea Manning said we should curbstomp white supremacists, and chuds literally running away and taking off their clothes when confronted with counter protesters.

Make these fuckers afraid to organize. Drive them back under their rocks. It fucking works, that's proven, there's nothing pointing to the idea that "it just emboldens them and drives people to their cause" because 1: they're cowards, and 2: people hate nazis and have no sympathy for them. Fuck your horseshoe theory. One side is preaching genocide and the other side is fighting that. There are clear lines, and if you condemn antifa, you might as well be a collaborator.

A rather hardline stance, I didn't see you as an antifa supporter.

[Vaquas]

They listen to violence against themselves? Perhaps, but all it does is give Nazis a chance to say, "Look, we're being attacked! We're being persecuted for our beliefs! Look at those bad guys over there!" and thus gives them extra leverage to win people who are not far-left over to their side. Using physical violence to shut down a group of people will just result in them trying harder to take over.

Except this doesnt happen. Look at history and look at right now. They're a bunch of nerds and pussies who get scared when actually confronted.

The left needs to decide if these Nazi's are evil and on the same plane as hitler, ready to kill whoever is in their path and forge a white empire, or if they're sad losers without dicks. Please pick one collectively, like you do most other positions.

[MERIZoC]

In Britain, the Battle of Cable Street put the BUF on the decline. In the 70s and 80s antifascism forced skinheads underground. In France antifa and jewish groups made nazis afraid to spread their hate and violence by going into nazi bars and beating the shit out of people. Now you've got people pissing themselves because Chelsea Manning said we should curbstomp white supremacists, and chuds literally running away and taking off their clothes when confronted with counter protesters.

Make these fuckers afraid to organize. Drive them back under their rocks. It fucking works, that's proven, there's nothing pointing to the idea that "it just emboldens them and drives people to their cause" because 1: they're cowards, and 2: people hate nazis and have no sympathy for them. Fuck your horseshoe theory. One side is preaching genocide and the other side is fighting that. There are clear lines, and if you condemn antifa, you might as well be a collaborator.

A rather hardline stance, I didn't see you as an antifa supporter.

I do not wish for ethnic hatred and white supremacist violence to be spread, ergo I am an anti-fascist.

[Cedoria]

The fascists of the world remember what the anarchists , socialists , and communists did to the people's and clergy of Spain , we remember what you did in Italy , we remember the clashes had in Ireland and England. It's time to stop hiding behind the guise of proud vigilantes fighting the " fight "

And here I thought it was Franco who invaded and destroyed the Spanish republic... And the Right who rigged the Italian Elections in 1948 with CIA assistance after the partisans had given Mussolini just payment for his crimes...

This is precisely the point I am making about ludicrously stupid false equivalencies. Can we just accept that Nazism is NOT the same thing as those who oppose it, and that the two are not equally valid but opposing viewpoints lying on a reasonable spectrum? This shouldn't be difficult to grasp.

If one does not listen to reason about why those who oppose Nazis are not as bad as those who favour them, yes, we are entitled to question why.

[MERIZoC]

Except this doesnt happen. Look at history and look at right now. They're a bunch of nerds and pussies who get scared when actually confronted.

The left needs to decide if these Nazi's are evil and on the same plane as hitler, ready to kill whoever is in their path and forge a white empire, or if they're sad losers without dicks. Please pick one collectively, like you do most other positions.

ngl this is a pretty good own

[Vaquas]

One can be critical of the actions of some American antifa without pushing a false equivalence with actual goddamn nazis or calling them a "terrorist group".

The irrational uber conservative Government of New Jersey must have lost its mind.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

The way to combat fascists is just like how you combat any other enemy that seeks your destruction.

Well well, give us the combat strategy!

[War Gears]

That's patently bullshit, not least because the antifascist demonstration had way more public support than the blackshirts did.

That doesn't change the fact that the BUF's membership increased after the incident and it was only until their internment during WW2 that the organization declined and died. To quote the Special Branch Report:

A definite pro-Fascist feeling has manifested itself.... The alleged Fascist defeat is in reality a Fascist advance.

Why would I give a shit what its called?

Antifa don't really care much about anything besides bashing someone's skull. But fortunately we have laws against this kind of thing.

[Cedoria]

Except this doesnt happen. Look at history and look at right now. They're a bunch of nerds and pussies who get scared when actually confronted.

The left needs to decide if these Nazi's are evil and on the same plane as hitler, ready to kill whoever is in their path and forge a white empire, or if they're sad losers without dicks. Please pick one collectively, like you do most other positions.

Why assume the two are mutually exclusive? Plenty of high-ranking positions in Hitler's regime were filled by mediocre, slobbering not particularly impressive individuals.

I'm not suggesting we're at that point yet (which is why I'm suggesting we be a bit firmer now), but if you don't think political imagery can make a demi-god out of any hysterical, ludicrous, bizarre and rather mediocre human mammal, you are terrifyingly naive.

[MERIZoC]

The fascists of the world remember what the anarchists , socialists , and communists did to the people's and clergy of Spain , we remember what you did in Italy , we remember the clashes had in Ireland and England. It's time to stop hiding behind the guise of proud vigilantes fighting the " fight "

So do I

:^)