by Greater Cesnica » Wed Aug 16, 2017 8:08 pm
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by Major-Tom » Wed Aug 16, 2017 8:12 pm
by Greater Cesnica » Wed Aug 16, 2017 8:13 pm
Major-Tom wrote:Dear lord son, what have you done?
In all seriousness, I don't condone a lot of what ANTIFA does. I consider their "loose or broad" goals to be admirable, that is, standing against racism and authoritarianism of all stripes, but when they delve into far-left, bizarre bullshit, well, I get a little less sympathetic. But the criticisms of the Antifa being worse than the alt right or the criticisms that "teh alt left is also evil" are kind of out there.
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by Bombadil » Wed Aug 16, 2017 8:17 pm
Greater Cesnica wrote:Major-Tom wrote:Dear lord son, what have you done?
In all seriousness, I don't condone a lot of what ANTIFA does. I consider their "loose or broad" goals to be admirable, that is, standing against racism and authoritarianism of all stripes, but when they delve into far-left, bizarre bullshit, well, I get a little less sympathetic. But the criticisms of the Antifa being worse than the alt right or the criticisms that "teh alt left is also evil" are kind of out there.
I look at it like a spectrum- I'm at the middle. The crackpots are at either end.
by Veleth » Wed Aug 16, 2017 8:18 pm
Major-Tom wrote:Dear lord son, what have you done?
In all seriousness, I don't condone a lot of what ANTIFA does. I consider their "loose or broad" goals to be admirable, that is, standing against racism and authoritarianism of all stripes, but when they delve into far-left, bizarre bullshit, well, I get a little less sympathetic. But the criticisms of the Antifa being worse than the alt right or the criticisms that "teh alt left is also evil" are kind of out there.
by Greater Cesnica » Wed Aug 16, 2017 8:19 pm
Veleth wrote:Major-Tom wrote:Dear lord son, what have you done?
In all seriousness, I don't condone a lot of what ANTIFA does. I consider their "loose or broad" goals to be admirable, that is, standing against racism and authoritarianism of all stripes, but when they delve into far-left, bizarre bullshit, well, I get a little less sympathetic. But the criticisms of the Antifa being worse than the alt right or the criticisms that "teh alt left is also evil" are kind of out there.
Well, you could almost say that ANTIFA is like a leftist terrorist group. I mean, if you look at their official Twitter page, you can see their almost Nazi-like rhetoric, except in reverse. Besides, it doesn't look like they actively refrain from using violence to achieve their political goals. In my opinion, it is like the KKK, but in reverse.
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by Genivaria » Wed Aug 16, 2017 8:23 pm
Greater Cesnica wrote:Veleth wrote:
Well, you could almost say that ANTIFA is like a leftist terrorist group. I mean, if you look at their official Twitter page, you can see their almost Nazi-like rhetoric, except in reverse. Besides, it doesn't look like they actively refrain from using violence to achieve their political goals. In my opinion, it is like the KKK, but in reverse.
They are already classified as a terrorist group in my state of birth, New Jersey.
by The United Colonies of Earth » Wed Aug 16, 2017 8:24 pm
Bombadil wrote:Greater Cesnica wrote:I look at it like a spectrum- I'm at the middle. The crackpots are at either end.
Right.. it's as crazy to want to fight against bigotry and racism as it is to promote it. It's all just a point of view. I don't condone violence on either side but the aims of each are not equally good.
by The United Colonies of Earth » Wed Aug 16, 2017 8:25 pm
Greater Cesnica wrote:Veleth wrote:
Well, you could almost say that ANTIFA is like a leftist terrorist group. I mean, if you look at their official Twitter page, you can see their almost Nazi-like rhetoric, except in reverse. Besides, it doesn't look like they actively refrain from using violence to achieve their political goals. In my opinion, it is like the KKK, but in reverse.
They are already classified as a terrorist group in my state of birth, New Jersey.
by Bakery Hill » Wed Aug 16, 2017 8:26 pm
by The Underground Movement Union » Wed Aug 16, 2017 8:27 pm
by MERIZoC » Wed Aug 16, 2017 8:29 pm
by Greater Cesnica » Wed Aug 16, 2017 8:30 pm
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by The United Colonies of Earth » Wed Aug 16, 2017 8:31 pm
by Greater Cesnica » Wed Aug 16, 2017 8:32 pm
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by Bombadil » Wed Aug 16, 2017 8:32 pm
Greater Cesnica wrote:Veleth wrote:
Well, you could almost say that ANTIFA is like a leftist terrorist group. I mean, if you look at their official Twitter page, you can see their almost Nazi-like rhetoric, except in reverse. Besides, it doesn't look like they actively refrain from using violence to achieve their political goals. In my opinion, it is like the KKK, but in reverse.
They are already classified as a terrorist group in my state of birth, New Jersey.
by Greater Cesnica » Wed Aug 16, 2017 8:34 pm
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by Redsection » Wed Aug 16, 2017 8:35 pm
by Aclion » Wed Aug 16, 2017 8:36 pm
Major-Tom wrote:Dear lord son, what have you done?
In all seriousness, I don't condone a lot of what ANTIFA does. I consider their "loose or broad" goals to be admirable, that is, standing against racism and authoritarianism of all stripes, but when they delve into far-left, bizarre bullshit, well, I get a little less sympathetic. But the criticisms of the Antifa being worse than the alt right or the criticisms that "teh alt left is also evil" are kind of out there.
by Veleth » Wed Aug 16, 2017 8:38 pm
Greater Cesnica wrote:Veleth wrote:
Well, you could almost say that ANTIFA is like a leftist terrorist group. I mean, if you look at their official Twitter page, you can see their almost Nazi-like rhetoric, except in reverse. Besides, it doesn't look like they actively refrain from using violence to achieve their political goals. In my opinion, it is like the KKK, but in reverse.
They are already classified as a terrorist group in my state of birth, New Jersey.
by Vaquas » Wed Aug 16, 2017 8:38 pm
MERIZoC wrote:In Britain, the Battle of Cable Street put the BUF on the decline. In the 70s and 80s antifascism forced skinheads underground. In France antifa and jewish groups made nazis afraid to spread their hate and violence by going into nazi bars and beating the shit out of people. Now you've got people pissing themselves because Chelsea Manning said we should curbstomp white supremacists, and chuds literally running away and taking off their clothes when confronted with counter protesters.
Make these fuckers afraid to organize. Drive them back under their rocks. It fucking works, that's proven, there's nothing pointing to the idea that "it just emboldens them and drives people to their cause" because 1: they're cowards, and 2: people hate nazis and have no sympathy for them. Fuck your horseshoe theory. One side is preaching genocide and the other side is fighting that. There are clear lines, and if you condemn antifa, you might as well be a collaborator.
by Greater Cesnica » Wed Aug 16, 2017 8:40 pm
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by MERIZoC » Wed Aug 16, 2017 8:40 pm
Vaquas wrote:MERIZoC wrote:In Britain, the Battle of Cable Street put the BUF on the decline. In the 70s and 80s antifascism forced skinheads underground. In France antifa and jewish groups made nazis afraid to spread their hate and violence by going into nazi bars and beating the shit out of people. Now you've got people pissing themselves because Chelsea Manning said we should curbstomp white supremacists, and chuds literally running away and taking off their clothes when confronted with counter protesters.
Make these fuckers afraid to organize. Drive them back under their rocks. It fucking works, that's proven, there's nothing pointing to the idea that "it just emboldens them and drives people to their cause" because 1: they're cowards, and 2: people hate nazis and have no sympathy for them. Fuck your horseshoe theory. One side is preaching genocide and the other side is fighting that. There are clear lines, and if you condemn antifa, you might as well be a collaborator.
Nice cognitive dissonance there. Surely the way to combat organized fascistic violence is to replace it with unorganized fascistic violence. Genius.
by Dorran » Wed Aug 16, 2017 8:40 pm
Major-Tom wrote:Dear lord son, what have you done?
In all seriousness, I don't condone a lot of what ANTIFA does. I consider their "loose or broad" goals to be admirable, that is, standing against racism and authoritarianism of all stripes, but when they delve into far-left, bizarre bullshit, well, I get a little less sympathetic. But the criticisms of the Antifa being worse than the alt right or the criticisms that "teh alt left is also evil" are kind of out there.
by Greater Cesnica » Wed Aug 16, 2017 8:40 pm
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