DaddyOFive might face 10-year prison sentence

[Sovaal]

Ten years sounds pretty drastic. (But then, most jail sentences in the US do. *shurg* )

But generally - good. Sends a strong signal to other parents that they can't treat their children like property without the state coming down on them, hard.

What would be a better sentence in your opinion?

[Internationalist Bastard]

Ten years sounds pretty drastic. (But then, most jail sentences in the US do. *shurg* )

But generally - good. Sends a strong signal to other parents that they can't treat their children like property without the state coming down on them, hard.

What would be a better sentence in your opinion?

To me it's more the fact our prisons are shitholes then anything. I wouldn't say this guy deserves ten years of rotting in an American prison

[Sovaal]

What would be a better sentence in your opinion?

To me it's more the fact our prisons are shitholes then anything. I wouldn't say this guy deserves ten years of rotting in an American prison

That's more problem with the prisons then the sentence it's self.

[Internationalist Bastard]

To me it's more the fact our prisons are shitholes then anything. I wouldn't say this guy deserves ten years of rotting in an American prison

That's more problem with the prisons then the sentence it's self.

It is, I know. Still ,doesn't change that I feel ten years in that is too long for this crime

[Sovaal]

That's more problem with the prisons then the sentence it's self.

It is, I know. Still ,doesn't change that I feel ten years in that is too long for this crime

So what would you think would be a more appropriate sentence?

[Thermodolia]

That's more problem with the prisons then the sentence it's self.

It is, I know. Still ,doesn't change that I feel ten years in that is too long for this crime

I feel just the opposite ten years isn't enough. Though I do have personal reasons why

[Internationalist Bastard]

It is, I know. Still ,doesn't change that I feel ten years in that is too long for this crime

So what would you think would be a more appropriate sentence?

Apart from a prison more focused on rehabilitation then suffering?
I dunno, custody taken, house arrest and a fuck to of community service?
It's hard to say since my problem is the prison not the sentencing to prsion

[Internationalist Bastard]

It is, I know. Still ,doesn't change that I feel ten years in that is too long for this crime

I feel just the opposite ten years isn't enough. Though I do have personal reasons why

Everyone at least has seen someone grow up in a abusive household. Love you Therm

[Omnonia]

To me it's more the fact our prisons are shitholes then anything. I wouldn't say this guy deserves ten years of rotting in an American prison

Apart from a prison more focused on rehabilitation then suffering?
I dunno, custody taken, house arrest and a fuck to of community service?
It's hard to say since my problem is the prison not the sentencing to prsion

Very much agreed.

2-3 years in a rehabilitory prison (European style) would sound adequate to me. House arrest coupled with a couple hundred hours of unpaid community service might be even better.

And obviously, loss of custody for any and all children is an absolute must.

[Thermodolia]

I feel just the opposite ten years isn't enough. Though I do have personal reasons why

Everyone at least has seen someone grow up in a abusive household. Love you Therm

It's one of the reasons to joined the military. I remember begging my recruiter to send me to basic early

[Internationalist Bastard]

Everyone at least has seen someone grow up in a abusive household. Love you Therm

It's one of the reasons to joined the military. I remember begging my recruiter to send me to basic early

I can only imagine. A friend of mine grew up with a dad who was literally the biggest asshole I've ever met

[Thermodolia]

It's one of the reasons to joined the military. I remember begging my recruiter to send me to basic early

I can only imagine. A friend of mine grew up with a dad who was literally the biggest asshole I've ever met

It wasn't just my dad, my mother was and still can be emotionally manipulative. I remember being a freshman in high school and I wanted to tryout for the football team my mother said to me "that I'm not one of those people who do sports, that's your younger brother." To her I was the smart but anti-social one, my sister was the social butterfly, and my brother was the jock of the family. She literally had us all boxed into these super stereotypical ideas.

[Sovaal]

I can only imagine. A friend of mine grew up with a dad who was literally the biggest asshole I've ever met

It wasn't just my dad, my mother was and still can be emotionally manipulative. I remember being a freshman in high school and I wanted to tryout for the football team my mother said to me "that I'm not one of those people who do sports, that's your younger brother." To her I was the smart but anti-social one, my sister was the social butterfly, and my brother was the jock of the family. She literally had us all boxed into these super stereotypical ideas.

That's just...

I really don't know what to say.

[Washington Resistance Army]

To me it's more the fact our prisons are shitholes then anything. I wouldn't say this guy deserves ten years of rotting in an American prison

Apart from a prison more focused on rehabilitation then suffering?
I dunno, custody taken, house arrest and a fuck to of community service?
It's hard to say since my problem is the prison not the sentencing to prsion

Very much agreed.

2-3 years in a rehabilitory prison (European style) would sound adequate to me. House arrest coupled with a couple hundred hours of unpaid community service might be even better.

And obviously, loss of custody for any and all children is an absolute must.

>implying community service does anything

Well meme'd

[Thermodolia]

It wasn't just my dad, my mother was and still can be emotionally manipulative. I remember being a freshman in high school and I wanted to tryout for the football team my mother said to me "that I'm not one of those people who do sports, that's your younger brother." To her I was the smart but anti-social one, my sister was the social butterfly, and my brother was the jock of the family. She literally had us all boxed into these super stereotypical ideas.

That's just...

I really don't know what to say.

Oh ya I have some other fun stories. I wish I had called child services when I was younger. Hell I some nights slept with my phone underneath my pillow because I scared of what might happen.

We weren't allowed to bring our phones to our rooms, I didn't trust my parents enough for that.

[Cyrisnia]

Good.

[Kazarogkai]

I not much into prison as a form of punishment to be honest still if it is to be used they guys really do deserve life or something close to that. I have no tolerance for certain types of people and child abusers are one of them. Included but not limited to on that list are murderers, sexual deviants(rapists, molesters, pimps, etc), smugglers and pacifists/bystanders. Atleast they got some type of punishment even if it was limited.

Personal opinion on how this should be done? Keep it simple. Take their kids away, give em a good ole beating, and exile from these lands for a time that shall be determined by a proper jury of their fellows. Just my thoughts.

What the hell. Does that mean that they deserved to be exiled from a land with very strict and heavy laws or some third world countries. Also, what the hell, bystanders/pacifists. Does that mean people must use necessary violence, and that people who displayed the Bystander Effect must be punished

That is kinda the point of exile is it not? Cast them away from are lands into the wilderness for they do not respect are laws and so are laws should not respect them. Exile is effectively the equivalent of taking out the trash or any other task needed to maintain a proper household, just routine maintenance that needs to be done. They are scum simple as such and should be treated accordingly as such. I don't see the issue in this. Plus I imagine it would be a lot more cheaper and potentially punitive, for those who care for such things, than locking them in a small room for an indeterminate amount of years.

To the second question. Effectively yes. If you have the ability to aid another you have a moral duty to do so. I have no love pacifism for it is a glorification of bystanders and sheep. Those who stand by while evil is afoot and do nothing even if they had the ability to do something, aka bystanders, are just as if not more evil than the perpetrators of said evil acts. For when it is all said and done the victim may be able to move on from the acts of the perpetrator they will always remember the fact that their friends and neighbors and those who stood by did nothing. That my child is the death of society for that leads to a lack of trust within your fellow man which is essential for any proper community to function. Men are not islands but if we can't even trust each other to lend a hand when we are in need what is the point of living within a community ostensibly set up for the common good of all? We might as well be animals at that point.

If that means the sheep must be punished alongside the wolves so be it.

Not trying to thread jack, so this will be my final post on this subject.

[Omnonia]

>implying community service does anything

Well meme'd

It gives back actual restitution. So, yeah, it does one heck of a lot more good than locking people up needlessly.

[Washington Resistance Army]

>implying community service does anything

Well meme'd

It gives back actual restitution. So, yeah, it does one heck of a lot more good than locking people up needlessly.

Maybe it was just me but when I got court ordered community service back in the day it did nothing to me. I was annoyed with it and did it and then went right back to doing what I did before I got it.

[Thermodolia]

>implying community service does anything

Well meme'd

It gives back actual restitution. So, yeah, it does one heck of a lot more good than locking people up needlessly.

They are child abusers they already fucked up. They don't need to be model citizens. They should be shoved into a deep dark hole and left there

[Thermodolia]

It gives back actual restitution. So, yeah, it does one heck of a lot more good than locking people up needlessly.

Maybe it was just me but when I got court ordered community service back in the day it did nothing to me. I was annoyed with it and did it and then went right back to doing what I did before I got it.

Same

[Omnonia]

Maybe it was just me but when I got court ordered community service back in the day it did nothing to me. I was annoyed with it and did it and then went right back to doing what I did before I got it.

It still was good for the community - work was done that otherwise would have cost tax payer's money. You may not have learned from it, but you literally paid restitution through labor.

[Luminesa]

"Heather Martin told ABC News, 'We love our kids. They’re the most important thing in the world to us. We made poor parenting choices by portraying ourselves this way. But we are not bad people.'”

Yeah, no. If your kids were more important to you than YouTube views, you would have never done this in the first place. They should get life, not ten years.

[Luminesa]

>implying community service does anything

Well meme'd

It gives back actual restitution. So, yeah, it does one heck of a lot more good than locking people up needlessly.

This wouldn't be "needless". You hurt a child like this, for YouTube views, then claim you actually love your kids, you don't deserve to get off with just community service. They need to spend the rest of their lives in prison.

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

I was under the impression that all their kids were taken away. They should all be taken away. And that couple should be prevented from having more kids.

If you merely take away any other kids they have at birth, then that still doesn't rule out any harm done to them in the womb. If they're not above abusing them outside the womb, what's stopping them from abusing them within it?

Abusing them in the womb? What? What do you think they're going to do? Prank the mom by punching her pregnant stomach?

Forced sterlization is so wildly unethical it's not even funny. The government has no right to force a medical procedure on someone, regardless of their part in a crime. These people are criminals, but denying them their fundamental right to bodily autonomy is a gross overreach of power and cruel and unusual punishment.

If they are convicted, then they are well within their fundamental human rights to have children after their prison sentences, and if they continue to abuse those children, then the state will have to intervene on behalf of the abused once again.

So it's another "police policy is that we can't step in until it's too late" thing, then?