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Postby Dylar » Tue Aug 22, 2017 11:01 am

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The Empire of Pretantia wrote:Slave labor, didn't you read the Bible?


Doesn't answer my question. "Built by slaves" =/= "glorify slavery and those that fought to preserve it".

I mean, they[the Egyptians] tried chasing them in an attempt to fight them to preserve their slave work force during the Exodus, so...
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Tue Aug 22, 2017 11:01 am

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The Empire of Pretantia wrote:Slave labor, didn't you read the Bible?

Sarcasm? Most historians regard the account of Exodus as of dubious historicity in terms of scope and use of Hebrew slaves.

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Vassenor wrote:Doesn't answer my question. "Built by slaves" =/= "glorify slavery and those that fought to preserve it".

Pyramids were built primarily by paid labor. They weren't a simple task that could be entrusted to PoWs and the poor. They were grand undertakings of extreme skill and intense devotion to both gods and the Pharaoh.
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Aug 22, 2017 11:02 am

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The Empire of Pretantia wrote:Slave labor, didn't you read the Bible?

Sarcasm? Most historians regard the account of Exodus as of dubious historicity in terms of scope and use of Hebrew slaves.


Weren't most public works projects done by farmers during the flood season?
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Aug 22, 2017 11:03 am

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Vassenor wrote:Doesn't answer my question. "Built by slaves" =/= "glorify slavery and those that fought to preserve it".

Pyramids were built primarily by paid labor. They weren't a simple task that could be entrusted to PoWs and the poor. They were grand undertakings of extreme skill and intense devotion to both gods and the Pharaoh.


Aye. Was just trying to rebut the point they were attempting to make.
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Postby Topoliani » Tue Aug 22, 2017 11:03 am

Vassenor wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:Slave labor, didn't you read the Bible?


Doesn't answer my question. "Built by slaves" =/= "glorify slavery and those that fought to preserve it".

Do you even realize what I was talking about? I was talking about MOST Egyptian monuments, from simple statues of soldiers to pyramids and monuments in honor of Pharaohs who exploited and defended slave labor and ordered entire armies to keep the slaves in place
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Dylar wrote:I mean, they[the Egyptians] tried chasing them in an attempt to fight them to preserve their slave work force during the Exodus, so...

There is no historical backing for the claims of a mass exodus of Hebrew slaves, or even a mass enslavement of Hebrews, in Egypt, much less their use in building pyramids.
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Aug 22, 2017 11:04 am

Topoliani wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Doesn't answer my question. "Built by slaves" =/= "glorify slavery and those that fought to preserve it".

Do you even realize what I was talking about? I was talking about MOST Egyptian monuments, from simple statues of soldiers to pyramids of Pharaohs who exploited and defended slave labor and ordered entire armies to keep the slaves in place

You do know that the pyramids where not built with slave labor?
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Vassenor wrote:Weren't most public works projects done by farmers during the flood season?

Dunno about most, but I know that the general consensus on the Pyramids was that a series of semi-permanent laborers working year-round built them.
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Postby Topoliani » Tue Aug 22, 2017 11:05 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Topoliani wrote:Do you even realize what I was talking about? I was talking about MOST Egyptian monuments, from simple statues of soldiers to pyramids of Pharaohs who exploited and defended slave labor and ordered entire armies to keep the slaves in place

You do know that the pyramids where not built with slave labor?

Monuments not just pyramids. Egypt built more than just big pyramids
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Tue Aug 22, 2017 11:06 am

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Vassenor wrote:Weren't most public works projects done by farmers during the flood season?

Dunno about most, but I know that the general consensus on the Pyramids was that a series of semi-permanent laborers working year-round built them.

How did we come to this conclusion though?
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Dylar wrote:I mean, they[the Egyptians] tried chasing them in an attempt to fight them to preserve their slave work force during the Exodus, so...

There is no historical backing for the claims of a mass exodus of Hebrew slaves, or even a mass enslavement of Hebrews, in Egypt, much less their use in building pyramids.

Fair enough...
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Tue Aug 22, 2017 11:07 am

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Thermodolia wrote:You do know that the pyramids where not built with slave labor?

Monuments not just pyramids. Egypt built more than just big pyramids

They also built small pyramids and penises.
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Postby Topoliani » Tue Aug 22, 2017 11:08 am

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Topoliani wrote:Monuments not just pyramids. Egypt built more than just big pyramids

They also built small pyramids and penises.

They built more than that to
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Postby Dylar » Tue Aug 22, 2017 11:08 am

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Conserative Morality wrote:Dunno about most, but I know that the general consensus on the Pyramids was that a series of semi-permanent laborers working year-round built them.

How did we come to this conclusion though?

Digging up fossils, digging up important documents during that time, deciphering the hieroglyphics within the pyramids(Though, those might just be biographies of the dead Pharaohs in the pyramids, and warnings about booby-traps..)
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Tue Aug 22, 2017 11:09 am

Topoliani wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:They also built small pyramids and penises.

They built more than that to

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Postby Seangoli » Tue Aug 22, 2017 11:10 am

Topoliani wrote:If you are arguing for this because "Moi Slavery" then should we destroy most of the monuments in the world? (I.E Egyptian monuments)


One has very recent sociopolitical implications for our country, and were built at a time when many millions of Americans were denied fundamental rights, including many still alive today.


The others were built fucking thousands of years ago and have no social bearing on any group of people alive today.

If you cannot see the difference you are being deliberately obtuse.
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The Empire of Pretantia wrote:How did we come to this conclusion though?

Archaeology. The planned urban quarters of the workforce near the Giza Pyramid alone, much less the complex structure itself, indicate a valuable and skilled workforce; as well as local burials and artifacts. Furthermore, contrary to popular belief, slavery wasn't that big in Egypt. It was much easier to abuse the peasantry, feudal style.
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Conserative Morality wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:How did we come to this conclusion though?

Archaeology. The planned urban quarters of the workforce near the Giza Pyramid alone, much less the complex structure itself, indicate a valuable and skilled workforce; as well as local burials and artifacts. Furthermore, contrary to popular belief, slavery wasn't that big in Egypt. It was much easier to abuse the peasantry, feudal style.


>Using skilled labor when you could just use Gallic slaves

This is why Egypt was always bad

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Postby Topoliani » Tue Aug 22, 2017 11:11 am

Seangoli wrote:
Topoliani wrote:If you are arguing for this because "Moi Slavery" then should we destroy most of the monuments in the world? (I.E Egyptian monuments)


One has very recent sociopolitical implications for our countey, amd were built at a time when many millions of Americams were denied fundamental rights, including many still alive today.

The others were built fucking thousands of years ago and have no social bearing on any group of people alive today.

If you cannot see the difference, you are being deliberately obtuse.

Jesus Christ this English is atrocious, proofread please.

(Goddamnit, me trying to point out problems with someone's english made me fuck up, Karma at her best)
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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue Aug 22, 2017 11:12 am

The East Marches II wrote:>Using skilled labor when you could just use Gallic slaves

This is why Egypt was always bad

... because the New Kingdom didn't extend into modern-day France? :p

Dirty Gauls wouldn't have the skillset needed anyway. You need to enslave some Greeks.
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Postby Seangoli » Tue Aug 22, 2017 11:13 am

Topoliani wrote:
Seangoli wrote:
One has very recent sociopolitical implications for our countey, amd were built at a time when many millions of Americams were denied fundamental rights, including many still alive today.

The others were built fucking thousands of years ago and have no social bearing on any group of people alive today.

If you cannot see the difference, you are being deliberately obtuse.

Jesus Christ the english is atrocious, proofread please.


I am on my phone. Fat fingers plus small buttons means typos.

Not to mention that two misspelled words and an extra comma is hardly atrocious English. Methinks you are deliberately ignoring my point.
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Postby Dylar » Tue Aug 22, 2017 11:14 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:>Using skilled labor when you could just use Gallic slaves

This is why Egypt was always bad

... because the New Kingdom didn't extend into modern-day France? :p

Dirty Gauls wouldn't have the skillset needed anyway. You need to enslave some Greeks.

The Greeks would've made everything be supported by pillars...
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Aug 22, 2017 11:15 am

Eisen Wolf Reich wrote:Why can't people just accept the fact that history is fucked up, and leave up the monuments so that people can remember that we shouldn't fuck up in the future.

How do Confederate monuments accomplish that?
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Postby The East Marches II » Tue Aug 22, 2017 11:17 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:>Using skilled labor when you could just use Gallic slaves

This is why Egypt was always bad

... because the New Kingdom didn't extend into modern-day France? :p

Dirty Gauls wouldn't have the skillset needed anyway. You need to enslave some Greeks.


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