Baltimore to remove Confederate Monuments

[Conserative Morality]

Put 'em in a museum. Let 'em gather dust in some storage room. They don't deserve anything more.

History should never be tossed.

They're cheap propaganda pieces made long after the fact. Good riddance tbh.

[Saint Gloria]

I believe that all monuments should be respected as they represent our history as a nation, and should not be torn down because one terrorist decides to ram a car into a crowd.

[Volitopia]

I am extremely opposed to this idea. All historical artefacts need to be preserved and kept so that future generations can learn from them. Even if the artifices were the most morally reprehensible things in the world there is still something future people could learn them. In fact, this is escpecially important with artifacts celebrating evil because they remind us not to repeat the same mistakes again.

Then how about putting them in a museum, where they can be preserved for far longer than if they were exposed to the elements and thereby achieve your goal of preserving history?

[Valyrian Freeholds]

ohmyGOD just put the thing in a museum it'll still get the proper care that people who care about it want, it'll be out of a public space like the people who don't like them want and being in a museum it'll be under security, far more so than it would be remaining in a park or square.

[Neonistan]

simple opinion people today are stupid history ignorant crybabies. hold on to your butt sarcasm ahead "Why not stop their lets just tear down the Jefferson Memorial, Mt Rushmore, Lincoln Memorial, Washington Monument, heck tear down the US all have existed and stood for reprehensible acts. " but really why is it the cry babies only destroy one persons history but not their own which is also flawed. history is history no destruction of statues or removal of them will change what happened but when will we learn and stop crusading and purging our own history just because its not happy people frolicking in a eco friendly utopia doesn't mean its not worthy to study or remember.

[Republic Of Varra]

Put 'em in a museum. Let 'em gather dust in some storage room. They don't deserve anything more.

History should never be tossed.

They're cheap propaganda pieces made long after the fact. Good riddance tbh.

That is heavily incorrect, at least in the north. This specific statue in the picture was made in honor of the thousands of soldiers who died in the war. This isn't propaganda at all, this is a tribute to the soldiers who fought for their homes, and many being forced to fight for the confederacy.

[Tagete]

Maryland wasn't a confederate state, It was only a slave state.

[Staniel]

At least put them in a museum for historical purposes - although I find it confusing that because this event happened, the City instantly removed them from their historic sites. And also, the Confederates fought for the South, not for slavery.

[Vivida Vis Animi]

Just going to post this here for some context as to when these monuments were placed.

The creator of the graphic, in place of a source.

[Estainia]

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[Conserative Morality]

Put 'em in a museum. Let 'em gather dust in some storage room. They don't deserve anything more.

They're cheap propaganda pieces made long after the fact. Good riddance tbh.

That is heavily incorrect, at least in the north. This specific statue in the picture was made in honor of the thousands of soldiers who died in the war. This isn't propaganda at all, this is a tribute to the soldiers who fought for their homes, and many being forced to fight for the confederacy.

Don't give me that bullshit. Those soldiers fought against their country, against democracy, and against their countrymen. They deserve jack shit. They had no honor. If they had any honor, they'd've joined a Southern Union Regiment, like thousands of good, honest American boys did, or kept the Union alive in their hearts if they couldn't join up, as many did.

Fuck the ones who knuckled under and raised a gun against the Union because 'muh slaves'. And 'They didn't own slaves personally! They were just DEFENDING slave-ownership!' doesn't make one wick of difference to me. Fuck. Them.

[Conserative Morality]

At least put them in a museum for historical purposes - although I find it confusing that because this event happened, the City instantly removed them from their historic sites. And also, the Confederates fought for the South, not for slavery.

Oh, right, how could I forget, 'the South'.

Mind reminding me just what the fuck Louisiana had in common with Texas and SC other than the importance of slavery in their local economies?

[Valyrian Freeholds]

At least put them in a museum for historical purposes - although I find it confusing that because this event happened, the City instantly removed them from their historic sites. And also, the Confederates fought for the South, not for slavery.

No they didn't they fought to defend the institution of slavery. Plain and simple. Abraham Lincoln was elected president despite not being on the ballot of 9 southern states and as he was seen as an abolitionist (Not even, he simply opposed its expansion), the south seceded in fear of having their "property" taken away from them.

Any idea of southern nationalism or fighting for states' rights was conjured up by rich white slave owners to convince poor whites who didn't own slaves to fight. And what a surprise poor whites still believe that shit.

[Conserative Morality]

No they didn't they fought to defend the institution of slavery. Plain and simple. Abraham Lincoln was elected president despite not being on the ballot of 9 southern states and as he was seen as an abolitionist (Not even, he simply opposed its expansion), the south seceded in fear of having their "property" taken away from them.

Any idea of southern nationalism or fighting for states' rights was conjured up by rich white slave owners to convince poor whites who didn't own slaves to fight. And what a surprise poor whites still believe that shit.

Largely conjured after their loss. They made it quite clear what they were fighting for at the time, with no shame.

[Dylar]

At least put them in a museum for historical purposes - although I find it confusing that because this event happened, the City instantly removed them from their historic sites. And also, the Confederates fought for the South, not for slavery.

Well, it was for States' Rights. Not the South. Nor slavery. Which is why I am also against people outright banning the Confederate flag. Especially since we still sell Soviet flags and copies of "Mein Kampf"

[Vassenor]

At least put them in a museum for historical purposes - although I find it confusing that because this event happened, the City instantly removed them from their historic sites. And also, the Confederates fought for the South, not for slavery.

Well, it was for States' Rights. Not the South. Nor slavery. Which is why I am also against people outright banning the Confederate flag. Especially since we still sell Soviet flags and copies of "Mein Kampf"

If it wasn't about slavery why does every article of secession say it was about slavery?

[Neonistan]

That is heavily incorrect, at least in the north. This specific statue in the picture was made in honor of the thousands of soldiers who died in the war. This isn't propaganda at all, this is a tribute to the soldiers who fought for their homes, and many being forced to fight for the confederacy.

Don't give me that bullshit. Those soldiers fought against their country, against democracy, and against their countrymen. They deserve jack shit. They had no honor. If they had any honor, they'd've joined a Southern Union Regiment, like thousands of good, honest American boys did, or kept the Union alive in their hearts if they couldn't join up, as many did.

Fuck the ones who knuckled under and raised a gun against the Union because 'muh slaves'. And 'They didn't own slaves personally! They were just DEFENDING slave-ownership!' doesn't make one wick of difference to me. Fuck. Them.

well I could cut and paste your comment on all of America as well since they were traitors to the Crown were they not English citizens rebelling against a government the reason you call the people of the CSA traitor is they lost so what if the American rebels lost during the revolution would they not be traitors as well? this logic is stupid same can be said for South Vietnam, South Korea, South Sudan, and many other nations who fought and won or fought and lost all can be called traitors if your gonna call one loser a traitor you might as well call them all traitors same goes for all the winners as well

[Conserative Morality]

At least put them in a museum for historical purposes - although I find it confusing that because this event happened, the City instantly removed them from their historic sites. And also, the Confederates fought for the South, not for slavery.

Well, it was for States' Rights. Not the South. Nor slavery. Which is why I am also against people outright banning the Confederate flag. Especially since we still sell Soviet flags and copies of "Mein Kampf"

These the same 'States' Rights' that resulted in the passage of the Fugitive Slave Act largely against the objections of abolitionist Northern states?

SMDH

Few people, if any, are calling for bans on the Confederate flag altogether. Most people are opposed to the CSA being honored on Union property; and with the recent rise in WN, many stores are distancing themselves from the kind of clientele that likes to buy up this shit as well.

[Vivida Vis Animi]

At least put them in a museum for historical purposes - although I find it confusing that because this event happened, the City instantly removed them from their historic sites. And also, the Confederates fought for the South, not for slavery.

Well, it was for States' Rights. Not the South. Nor slavery. Which is why I am also against people outright banning the Confederate flag. Especially since we still sell Soviet flags and copies of "Mein Kampf"

If anything then it was for the states' rights to own slaves, which is basically over slavery then. The confederate flag is now a go-to symbol for any right wing radical, so I understand why it's banned, although I am against it personally. Even if you manage to ban it completely they'll just rally around some other symbol.

[Aclion]

Sound to me like the politicians in Baltimore are jealous of the press time given to those in Charlottesville and have decided to stir the pot.

[Vivida Vis Animi]

Don't give me that bullshit. Those soldiers fought against their country, against democracy, and against their countrymen. They deserve jack shit. They had no honor. If they had any honor, they'd've joined a Southern Union Regiment, like thousands of good, honest American boys did, or kept the Union alive in their hearts if they couldn't join up, as many did.

Fuck the ones who knuckled under and raised a gun against the Union because 'muh slaves'. And 'They didn't own slaves personally! They were just DEFENDING slave-ownership!' doesn't make one wick of difference to me. Fuck. Them.

well I could cut and paste your comment on all of America as well since they were traitors to the Crown

Damn right. #makeamericabritishagain #queen2020 #atleastgiveusaparliament

[Conserative Morality]

well I could cut and paste your comment on all of America as well since they were traitors to the Crown were they not English citizens rebelling against a government the reason you call the people of the CSA traitor is they lost so what if the American rebels lost during the revolution would they not be traitors as well? this logic is stupid same can be said for South Vietnam, South Korea, South Sudan, and many other nations who fought and won or fought and lost all can be called traitors if your gonna call one loser a traitor you might as well call them all traitors same goes for all the winners as well

I don't remember where or when I asked the UK to 'honor' the American Revolution. And furthermore, all traitors aren't equal. "I'm not represented so I'm gonna rebel" /=/ "I'm over-represented but I'm gonna rebel because there's a chance that I won't be able to pass on muh slaves to my great-grandchildren"

[Conserative Morality]

Sound to me like the politicians in Baltimore are jealous of the press time given to those in Charlottesville and have decided to stir the pot.

>> discussion of removal been going on since 2015

Yes, that's exactly it, we Marylanders have prophetic powers.

[Kannap]

I am extremely opposed to this idea. All historical artefacts need to be preserved and kept so that future generations can learn from them. Even if the artifices were the most morally reprehensible things in the world there is still something future people could learn them. In fact, this is escpecially important with artifacts celebrating evil because they remind us not to repeat the same mistakes again.

I've said it before and I'll say it again - history can be happily preserved and kept for future generations to learn from in museums. Statues celebrating evil history should not be placed on a pedestal in the center of town.

[Redsection]

It's just stirring an unnecessary ruckus , history is history whether you like it or not.