Baltimore to remove Confederate Monuments

[USS Monitor]

Yeah, that pretty much covers it. Being racist is one thing. Starting a rebellion to push your racist bullshit on other people is something else.

LOL, to "push it on other people"?? That was in one direction only. The South wanted a nation that reflected it's values which went far beyond and often removed from slavery. Considering where you hale from your attitude is no surprise. I don't know why I continue to be amazed at skewed versions of history.

So they weren't pushing their racist bullshit on the slaves by defending slavery?

People like Sherman who were racist asses in their personal life, but their best-known accomplishments are not related to racist causes, are fine to honor for their accomplishments. Their personal views are just that: personal.

The problem with Confederate leaders is that their public accomplishments are related to the defense of slavery.

If they had some moral qualms about slavery in their personal life, that's beside the point. It's not about what they thought in their personal life. It's about what they accomplished publicly.

[Nexus of All Realities]

LOL, to "push it on other people"?? That was in one direction only. The South wanted a nation that reflected it's values which went far beyond and often removed from slavery. Considering where you hale from your attitude is no surprise. I don't know why I continue to be amazed at skewed versions of history.

One major big one being slavery.

Slavery has been part of many 'values' systems throughout history. Some only considered it a necessary evil at the time. Why is the South the only culture demonized for it?

Round and round we go. ~weariness~

[Ifreann]

LOL, to "push it on other people"?? That was in one direction only. The South wanted a nation that reflected it's values which went far beyond and often removed from slavery. Considering where you hale from your attitude is no surprise. I don't know why I continue to be amazed at skewed versions of history.

One major big one being slavery.

Not just slavery, but slavery based on white supremacy. The Cornerstone Speech is crystal clear. The CSA was founded on the principle that "the negro" was created to be subordinate to whites, that it was right and proper for them to be enslaved.

[Sovaal]

One major big one being slavery.

Slavery has been part of many 'values' systems throughout history. Some only considered it a necessary evil at the time. Why is the South the only culture demonized for it?

Round and round we go. ~weariness~

Stop assuming I only demonize the south for it, and no, it was not necessary. Many nations had already nbanned the practice, including many of the European powers and Latin American countries.

And it's the only one being discussed right now because of the circumstance.

[The Blaatschapen]

LOL, to "push it on other people"?? That was in one direction only. The South wanted a nation that reflected it's values which went far beyond and often removed from slavery. Considering where you hale from your attitude is no surprise. I don't know why I continue to be amazed at skewed versions of history.

So they weren't pushing their racist bullshit on the slaves by defending slavery?

People like Sherman who were racist asses in their personal life, but their best-known accomplishments are not related to racist causes, are fine to honor for their accomplishments. Their personal views are just that: personal.

The problem with Confederate leaders is that their public accomplishments are related to the defense of slavery.

If they had some moral qualms about slavery in their personal life, that's beside the point. It's not about what they thought in their personal life. It's about what they accomplished publicly.

Could the same be said about politicians standing for family values but committing adultery in private?

[USS Monitor]

One major big one being slavery.

Slavery has been part of many 'values' systems throughout history. Some only considered it a necessary evil at the time. Why is the South the only culture demonized for it?

Round and round we go. ~weariness~

The Confederacy is not the only regime demonized for it. The US government, the Nazis, and some miscellaneous colonial governments get flack for it too.

But when you start a war to defend slavery at a time in history when it is going out of style, that is not good PR.

Places that got rid of slavery on their own tend to have less damage to their reputations than places where someone had to fight their way in and liberate the slaves by force.

[Alvecia]

One major big one being slavery.

Slavery has been part of many 'values' systems throughout history. Some only considered it a necessary evil at the time. Why is the South the only culture demonized for it?

Probably cause they fought specifically to keep it.

[Neutraligon]

Slavery has been part of many 'values' systems throughout history. Some only considered it a necessary evil at the time. Why is the South the only culture demonized for it?

Probably cause they fought specifically to keep it.

Well that and they are not the only ones demonized for it.Oh and many European countries had been in the process of or had already made slavery illegal in their own lands and in their colonies. Those places that had been former colonies in South America had also either been working to or already abolished slavery.

[The Blaatschapen]

Slavery has been part of many 'values' systems throughout history. Some only considered it a necessary evil at the time. Why is the South the only culture demonized for it?

Round and round we go. ~weariness~

The Confederacy is not the only regime demonized for it. The US government, the Nazis, and some miscellaneous colonial governments get flack for it too.

But when you start a war to defend slavery at a time in history when it is going out of style, that is not good PR.

Places that got rid of slavery on their own tend to have less damage to their reputations than places where someone had to fight their way in and liberate the slaves by force.

Interesting fact. The Netherlands abolished slavery in 1873. I guess we lost our market when the South lost the war.

[USS Monitor]

So they weren't pushing their racist bullshit on the slaves by defending slavery?

People like Sherman who were racist asses in their personal life, but their best-known accomplishments are not related to racist causes, are fine to honor for their accomplishments. Their personal views are just that: personal.

The problem with Confederate leaders is that their public accomplishments are related to the defense of slavery.

If they had some moral qualms about slavery in their personal life, that's beside the point. It's not about what they thought in their personal life. It's about what they accomplished publicly.

Could the same be said about politicians standing for family values but committing adultery in private?

I think those politicians are obnoxious, but I also think we care more than we should about political sex scandals. People shouldn't be bullied to resign every time they got caught sticking their dick where it doesn't belong.

[Alvecia]

Probably cause they fought specifically to keep it.

Well that and they are not the only ones demonized for it.

True. They just happen to be somewhat on topic as of late in the US.

[Ifreann]

One major big one being slavery.

Slavery has been part of many 'values' systems throughout history. Some only considered it a necessary evil at the time. Why is the South the only culture demonized for it?

Round and round we go. ~weariness~

Because of the spectacularly racist motivations for their love of slavery. Because when the world was turning away from slavery, for both moral and practical reasons, the Confederates dug their heels in and declared war. Because there wasn't even any threat to their own ownership of slaves, but they went to war to expand slavery beyond their own states.

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Slavery has been part of many 'values' systems throughout history. Some only considered it a necessary evil at the time. Why is the South the only culture demonized for it?

Round and round we go. ~weariness~

The Confederacy is not the only regime demonized for it. The US government, the Nazis, and some miscellaneous colonial governments get flack for it too.

But when you start a war to defend slavery at a time in history when it is going out of style, that is not good PR.

Places that got rid of slavery on their own tend to have less damage to their reputations than places where someone had to fight their way in and liberate the slaves by force.

This too.

[Sovaal]

The Confederacy is not the only regime demonized for it. The US government, the Nazis, and some miscellaneous colonial governments get flack for it too.

But when you start a war to defend slavery at a time in history when it is going out of style, that is not good PR.

Places that got rid of slavery on their own tend to have less damage to their reputations than places where someone had to fight their way in and liberate the slaves by force.

Interesting fact. The Netherlands abolished slavery in 1873. I guess we lost our market when the South lost the war.

But wait, I thought you Euros where better and progressive then us in every way possible!/s
I would imagine that the practice wasn't all that common though?

[The Blaatschapen]

Interesting fact. The Netherlands abolished slavery in 1873. I guess we lost our market when the South lost the war.

But wait, I thought you Euros where better and progressive then us in every way possible!/s
I would imagine that the practice wasn't all that common though?

Well, the slaves were mostly in the colonies. So not really visible in contemporary Dutch society itself.

Especially not for the parts of the country were the trade was not happening (Holland and Zeeland were the big seafaring parts)

Multatuli is famous author talking about this and other mishaps in the Dutch East Indies.

[Neutraligon]

The Confederacy is not the only regime demonized for it. The US government, the Nazis, and some miscellaneous colonial governments get flack for it too.

But when you start a war to defend slavery at a time in history when it is going out of style, that is not good PR.

Places that got rid of slavery on their own tend to have less damage to their reputations than places where someone had to fight their way in and liberate the slaves by force.

Interesting fact. The Netherlands abolished slavery in 1873. I guess we lost our market when the South lost the war.

Although they abolished it in the colonies earlier.

[Des-Bal]

Slavery has been part of many 'values' systems throughout history. Some only considered it a necessary evil at the time. Why is the South the only culture demonized for it?

Round and round we go. ~weariness~

Because the south fought a war specifically to protect it in an age where it was unpopular and unnecessary and to this day present the narrative that their actions were somehow noble.

[Cyrisnia]

I never understood why so many people have a giant boner for the USA and the CSA at the same time. It's always been really stupid in my opinion. You're either a good ol' Unionist or a traitor.

[New Grestin]

They certainly shouldn't be destroyed, but they are also monuments dedicated to traitors.

Put them in a museum somewhere, where they can be better contextualized by academics and not as monuments to men who fought this country and its' ideals.

Failing that, make the destruction a big public affair just to spite the White Supremecists and we can all get a nice kick out of pissing on their cornflakes.

[Stormwrath]

They certainly shouldn't be destroyed, but they are also monuments dedicated to traitors.

Put them in a museum somewhere, where they can be better contextualized by academics and not as monuments to men who fought this country and its' ideals.

Failing that, make the destruction a big public affair just to spite the White Supremecists and we can all get a nice kick out of pissing on their cornflakes.

You think too small. Rig the statue with at least 500 tons of TNT and blow it up in spectacular Hollywood fashion. Then piss on the pedestal to top it off.

[San Lumen]

They certainly shouldn't be destroyed, but they are also monuments dedicated to traitors.

Put them in a museum somewhere, where they can be better contextualized by academics and not as monuments to men who fought this country and its' ideals.

Failing that, make the destruction a big public affair just to spite the White Supremecists and we can all get a nice kick out of pissing on their cornflakes.

They should absolutely not be destroyed. They belong in museums.

[Senkaku]

What's next, George Washington statues are going to be removed since he owned slaves? We should destroy Mount Rushmore while we're at it, because who cares about keeping important American history to the masses, am I right?

Even if you ignore the whole slavery bit, which is patently absurd, we don't have fuckin' statues everywhere of Benedict Arnold and Loyalist agents and militia leaders or of Julius and Ethel Rosenberg. Memorializing people who betrayed their country and in this case literally tried to destroy the Union (in this case, also for the purpose of defending slavery) with statues and reverence is fucking ridiculous.

[The East Marches II]

What's next, George Washington statues are going to be removed since he owned slaves? We should destroy Mount Rushmore while we're at it, because who cares about keeping important American history to the masses, am I right?

Even if you ignore the whole slavery bit, which is patently absurd, we don't have fuckin' statues everywhere of Benedict Arnold and Loyalist agents and militia leaders or of Julius and Ethel Rosenberg. Memorializing people who betrayed their country and in this case literally tried to destroy the Union (in this case, also for the purpose of defending slavery) with statues and reverence is fucking ridiculous.

tbf, Arnold really didn't do anything wrong and behaved in a reasonable manner to be stabbed in the back multiple times. He deserves a few statues.

t. Arnold shill

[Senkaku]

Even if you ignore the whole slavery bit, which is patently absurd, we don't have fuckin' statues everywhere of Benedict Arnold and Loyalist agents and militia leaders or of Julius and Ethel Rosenberg. Memorializing people who betrayed their country and in this case literally tried to destroy the Union (in this case, also for the purpose of defending slavery) with statues and reverence is fucking ridiculous.

tbf, Arnold really didn't do anything wrong and behaved in a reasonable manner to be stabbed in the back multiple times. He deserves a few statues.

t. Arnold shill

TR8R

REEE

[The East Marches II]

tbf, Arnold really didn't do anything wrong and behaved in a reasonable manner to be stabbed in the back multiple times. He deserves a few statues.

t. Arnold shill

TR8R

REEE

I concede the argument to my opponent.

[Ethel mermania]

Even if you ignore the whole slavery bit, which is patently absurd, we don't have fuckin' statues everywhere of Benedict Arnold and Loyalist agents and militia leaders or of Julius and Ethel Rosenberg. Memorializing people who betrayed their country and in this case literally tried to destroy the Union (in this case, also for the purpose of defending slavery) with statues and reverence is fucking ridiculous.

tbf, Arnold really didn't do anything wrong and behaved in a reasonable manner to be stabbed in the back multiple times. He deserves a few statues.

t. Arnold shill

He just wanted to please his wife, and who could blame him. I would much rather see a few statues of her.