Confederate Statue Toppled in North Carolina

[MERIZoC]

CONFEDERATE SCUM BTFO

[Iridencia]

"But this is history-!!"

You do not need monuments glorifying oppressive assholes in order to "remember history." How many statues do you think Germany has glorifying Hitler still hanging around? Do you think Germany has forgotten about Hitler?

At best, I'll accept that these statues can be moved to museums. But other than that, I have no sympathy for the Confederacy Revisionism crowd's whining.

[Genivaria]

That'll be one statue the liberals will never dare vandalize; they may bow to it but never touch...

It says that during gay pride week they dress it in drag.

K that's funny.

CONFEDERATE SCUM BTFO

Reconstruction didn't go far enough!

[Evacillian]

Really, I've never believed that we've been the vast majority. In the world yes, but inside the USA no way. We centrists are merely the percentage that manages to maybe make a difference between a split of two equal sides

I would imagine that we are the majority. But it depends on your definition. I could be called a conservative, but I have enough leftist policies that I believe myself to be a center-right.

Well I'm glad to meet you. Hello. I'm Scarpool, pls call me Scar
I have a slight issue where I'm immediately assumed to be left but then I start talking...a lot...and soon both sides are not sure whether they like me or hate me...

[Ecelea]

They were erected after 1900 and therefore not history...
this just in everyone, World War II is not history because it happened after 1900.

When the monuments were erected sometimes more than 100 years after the events they depict, the monuments themselves are not historically significant no. Not unless they collect historical significance of their own.

How many rioters have committed crimes in the past few years? How many have been punished? It's a vastly disproportionate ratio which shows no indication of changing. Even people who can clearly be identified escape unscathed time and time again.

I encourage you to actually google 'riot arrest [insert event here]'. You may be surprised.

Cool, so the Washington Monument isn't historical either, since it was erected long after George Washington's death.

Let's keep in mind that this statue was created in 1924, in the scheme of history that is shortly after the reconstruction period. It's not like the south had the money to immediately begin building monuments after they had their cities razed to the ground and countryside ravaged. It also isn't made in respect to a single person, but thousands of fallen American men, and is a part of a 4 piece set of statues constructed over the course of the century in front of the County Courthouse, the other 3 being to veterans of WWI, WWII, and the Korean War. Seems historically significant to me.

[Bombadil]

So Americans should be so mentally incapable that they can't handle two incidents simultaneously and separately? Fascinating.

Why should these two incidents be regarded as unrelated? The Nazi rally was in support of Confederate statues, and this rally was clearly a reaction to that one and an expression of opposition to the statues. At the Nazi rally, someone was murdered and a certain subset of people either gave zero fucks or quietly endorsed the violence. Many of those same people are now livid about this minor act of vandalism.

It doesn't take a whole lot of mental gymnastics to understand this.

Well this isn't the way to remember the girl who died, it clearly escalates the situation - it's a stupid thing to do. If we want to show up neo-nazis as the problem, which they very much are, we shouldn't do things that allow them to go 'see, they're as bad..' even if the two situations aren't equatable.

Where did the adults go..

[West Sylvania]

This sort of thing should be handled through proper channels. The dominoes are already falling when it comes to confederate monuments being removed, and this sort of wanton vandalism will accomplish little more than amplifying the already intense political divide in our nation.

I absolutely feel that propping up statues to men who fought to preserve slavery (yes, there WERE other reason, armchair historian) has no place in modern America, but this is not how you accomplish these things at all.

[Evacillian]

That'll be one statue the liberals will never dare vandalize; they may bow to it but never touch...

It says that during gay pride week they dress it in drag.

That's absolutely gorgeous lol

[Polar Svalbard]

"But this is history-!!"

You do not need monuments glorifying oppressive assholes in order to "remember history." How many statues do you think Germany has glorifying Hitler still hanging around? Do you think Germany has forgotten about Hitler?

At best, I'll accept that these statues can be moved to museums. But other than that, I have no sympathy for the Confederacy Revisionism crowd's whining.

I mean, no. That's not really comparable. If the statue was of a man whipping a slave (Comparable to a Hitler statue) I'd say that thing should have been torn down with a sledgehammer. But that's not what this statue is.

A better comparison would be a statue of a German WWII soldier. They probably have those, these kind of statues aren't meant to celebrate the bad items of the regime, but rather the soldiers that died in the name of their country. Or in this case their state.

[Montesardo-East Adanzi]

Unfortunately, not many (US)Americans can do that.

Clearly not. The levels of social unrest in the US are appalling. Traveling to the US at this point seems utterly unattractive. At least I don't have to deal with that type of crap in Mexico.

[Trotza]

So Americans should be so mentally incapable that they can't handle two incidents simultaneously and separately? Fascinating.

Why should these two incidents be regarded as unrelated? The Nazi rally was in support of Confederate statues, and this rally was clearly a reaction to that one and an expression of opposition to the statues. At the Nazi rally, someone was murdered and a certain subset of people either gave zero fucks or quietly endorsed the violence. Many of those same people are now livid about this minor act of vandalism.

It doesn't take a whole lot of mental gymnastics to understand this.

I'm not responsible for other people. I can criticize whoever I want in what order I want, and these brain dead morons are first. Apologies if my horrifying white silence offended you.

[Genivaria]

"But this is history-!!"

You do not need monuments glorifying oppressive assholes in order to "remember history." How many statues do you think Germany has glorifying Hitler still hanging around? Do you think Germany has forgotten about Hitler?

At best, I'll accept that these statues can be moved to museums. But other than that, I have no sympathy for the Confederacy Revisionism crowd's whining.

I mean, no. That's not really comparable. If the statue was of a man whipping a slave (Comparable to a Hitler statue) I'd say that thing should have been torn down with a sledgehammer. But that's not what this statue is.

A better comparison would be a statue of a German WWII soldier. They probably have those, these kind of statues aren't meant to celebrate the bad items of the regime, but rather the soldiers that died in the name of their country. Or in this case their state.

They have few out of fear of them becoming Nazi shrines apparently.

[Faschistisches Land]

"But this is history-!!"

You do not need monuments glorifying oppressive assholes in order to "remember history." How many statues do you think Germany has glorifying Hitler still hanging around? Do you think Germany has forgotten about Hitler?

At best, I'll accept that these statues can be moved to museums. But other than that, I have no sympathy for the Confederacy Revisionism crowd's whining.

In that logic should all former Communist nations destroy their statues that bring pride to Communism (I.E the Lenin statue in Moscow) because we would still remember history?

[Christian Democrats]

I'm not much of a fan of iconoclasm. Public memorials should generally be left in place and only rarely moved.

[Lexicor]

Civil war part two, electric boogaloo?

[Liriena]

Good. A failed rogue state founded for the explicit purpose of defending slavery does not deserve monuments glorifying it. If the statue has any historical significance of its own, it belongs in a museum.

[Genivaria]

"But this is history-!!"

You do not need monuments glorifying oppressive assholes in order to "remember history." How many statues do you think Germany has glorifying Hitler still hanging around? Do you think Germany has forgotten about Hitler?

At best, I'll accept that these statues can be moved to museums. But other than that, I have no sympathy for the Confederacy Revisionism crowd's whining.

In that logic should all former Communist nations keep their statues that bring pride to Communism (I.E the Lenin statue in Moscow) because we would still remember history?

In museums perhaps.

[Polar Svalbard]

Well I'm glad to meet you. Hello. I'm Scarpool, pls call me Scar
I have a slight issue where I'm immediately assumed to be left but then I start talking...a lot...and soon both sides are not sure whether they like me or hate me...

Glad to meet you too.

Clearly not. The levels of social unrest in the US are appalling. Traveling to the US at this point seems utterly unattractive. At least I don't have to deal with that type of crap in Mexico.

As long as you stay clear of a few cities, you're all good. I have never dealt with any of this near where I live, nor in the city I live next to which is 50/50 in terms of black and white people.

Let's keep in mind that this statue was created in 1924, in the scheme of history that is shortly after the reconstruction period. It's not like the south had the money to immediately begin building monuments after they had their cities razed to the ground and countryside ravaged. It also isn't made in respect to a single person, but thousands of fallen American men, and is a part of a 4 piece set of statues constructed over the course of the century in front of the County Courthouse, the other 3 being to veterans of WWI, WWII, and the Korean War. Seems historically significant to me.

I did not know about the other statues, it would make sense then for this one to be there in commemoration of veterans.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Good. A failed rogue state founded for the explicit purpose of defending slavery does not deserve monuments glorifying it. If the statue has any historical significance of its own, it belongs in a museum.

You do know normal people died in the war right?

[Liriena]

CONFEDERATE SCUM BTFO

I gotta hand it to the people who did this: that was some fine praxis. :3

[Evacillian]

"But this is history-!!"

You do not need monuments glorifying oppressive assholes in order to "remember history." How many statues do you think Germany has glorifying Hitler still hanging around? Do you think Germany has forgotten about Hitler?

At best, I'll accept that these statues can be moved to museums. But other than that, I have no sympathy for the Confederacy Revisionism crowd's whining.

I mean, no. That's not really comparable. If the statue was of a man whipping a slave (Comparable to a Hitler statue) I'd say that thing should have been torn down with a sledgehammer. But that's not what this statue is.

A better comparison would be a statue of a German WWII soldier. They probably have those, these kind of statues aren't meant to celebrate the bad items of the regime, but rather the soldiers that died in the name of their country. Or in this case their state.

Some may believe that the monument is promoting a belief, but honestly its just being respectful and recognizing those who fought and died in a huge and momentous time in USA history. It is respecting their service, even as an enemy and the losing side, but most importantly an American Soldier.

[Faschistisches Land]

In that logic should all former Communist nations keep their statues that bring pride to Communism (I.E the Lenin statue in Moscow) because we would still remember history?

In museums perhaps.

Kinda hard fitting statues tens of feet tall in a museum

Good. A failed rogue state founded for the explicit purpose of defending slavery does not deserve monuments glorifying it. If the statue has any historical significance of its own, it belongs in a museum.

Alright then, I will grab my sledgehammer and start breaking Soviet statues

[Liriena]

Good. A failed rogue state founded for the explicit purpose of defending slavery does not deserve monuments glorifying it. If the statue has any historical significance of its own, it belongs in a museum.

You do know normal people died in the war right?

Yes?

[Polar Svalbard]

They have few out of fear of them becoming Nazi shrines apparently.

That is saddening then. I believe that soldiers who fought for their state and their people should be memorialized. Hitler and the S.S were bad, yes. They should not be memorialized, but for the millions of regulars and their families, there is a respect there.

[Trotza]

This sort of thing should be handled through proper channels. The dominoes are already falling when it comes to confederate monuments being removed, and this sort of wanton vandalism will accomplish little more than amplifying the already intense political divide in our nation.

I absolutely feel that propping up statues to men who fought to preserve slavery (yes, there WERE other reason, armchair historian) has no place in modern America, but this is not how you accomplish these things at all.

Twelve US Presidents owned slaves at some point in their lifetime, eight while they were in office. Should their statues and monuments be effaced? This is an honest question.